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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Mar 08, 2020 7:13 am

    A very different map showing multiple little lines, not one continuous.

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    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:39 am

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    Today the finalized report for the Buk-M2E units in #Idlib was issued: (official numbers but only for the Buk-M2E)

    25 launches
    20 hits on UAVs
    2 hits were scratched
    3 misses

    60% of the hostile objects crashed in a hostile zones
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    Post  Hole on Sun Mar 08, 2020 12:22 pm

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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:32 pm



    48Ya6-K1 Podlet K1 low-altitude radars at the Hmeimim airbase

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    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:40 pm

    This radar was already seen.

    I wonder if the two antennas are for 1 radar or is it two radar which will be weired to have two same radar at the same place.
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Mar 08, 2020 2:53 pm

    Isos wrote:This radar was already seen.

    I wonder if the two antennas are for 1 radar or is it two radar which will be weired to have two same radar at the same place.

    may be both working in different bands
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Mar 08, 2020 3:27 pm

    Claims that the Egyptian EC-130H Compass electronic warfare aircraft went over syria today

    Also  the egyptian intelligence chief visited Damascus


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    Post  Hole on Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:23 pm

    Two radars.
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    Post  JohninMK on Sun Mar 08, 2020 4:55 pm

    Russia brokered a ceasefire between Turkey and Syria on Thursday, which wrapped up weeks of fighting in Syria’s last rebel-held province that caused dozens of casualties on both sides.

    Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan has threatened to take unilateral action in Syria’s Idlib if the Russia-brokered ceasefire deal is not adhered to.

    “If the promises made regarding Operation Spring Shield are not kept, we reserve the right to clean up [the area] using our own methods,” Erdogan said in a speech in Istanbul on Sunday.

    “If the agreement is violated, we will go strongly after [those who violate it]. We signed this agreement [with Russia] to provide a solution to the crisis in Idlib without further bloodshed. Otherwise, we will continue to walk our own path.”


    https://sputniknews.com/middleeast/202003081078512578-erdogan-threatens-unilateral-action-in-idlib-if-russia-brokered-ceasefire-goes-awry/Ankara could take unilateral action in the Syrian region of Idlib unless the agreements with Russia are implemented, Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan said in Istanbul on Sunday.

    “We retain the right to clear that site in our own way in case the promise given to us about the location of Operation Spring Shield [in Idlib] is not kept. We reached an agreement [with Russia] to resolve the Idlib crisis without any further bloodshed. If not, we will be going on along the path we have set for ourselves,” Erdogan said aired by NTV channel.


    https://geopolitics.news/middle-east/erdogan-turkey-to-take-action-in-idlib-unless-agreement-with-russia-implemented/
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    Post  ahmedfire on Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:14 pm


    Now they will destroy another Pancir-S in Syria. Very Happy
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    Post  ultimatewarrior on Sun Mar 08, 2020 5:32 pm

    A combo of Forpost / Searcher II and Ababil-3 drones decimate the rebels in Idlib

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    Post  crod on Sun Mar 08, 2020 8:58 pm

    Iran has lost another general, this time n Damascus. israelis i assume were behind it.
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    Post  Vann7 on Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:23 pm

    ahmedfire wrote:Claims that the Egyptian EC-130H Compass electronic warfare aircraft went over syria today

    Also  the egyptian intelligence chief visited Damascus


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    Egypt sisi government will benefit enormously in sending special forces and observers too ,to syria ,for training
    in a real war.. vs NATO armed factions.. and sending an electronic plane is also a good idea.. best place
    in the world to train your military for war is Syria.. that will allow their intelligence officers first hand experience,
    how it looks on their spy planes , the battle field..  Russia should arm egypt in the same way it did with syrian military , including s-300s defenses ,pantsirs and tors... and t-90 tanks..and also create a very well defended giant military base in egypt near lybia side , im sure sisi will rent the territory for free.. and a naval port there with munition.. to supply syria in case turkey close the bosphurus..

    in more news...


    Russian electronic warfare caused major problems for Turkish aircraft in Syria: report
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    BEIRUT, LEBANON (8:45 P.M.) – The Turkish drones used against the Syrian Armed Forces ran into some major problems during their campaign over northwestern Syria, the Russian publication Avia.Pro said.

    According to the publication, “Turkish unmanned aerial vehicles demonstrated their complete utter futility in military operations on the territory of Syria due to the powerful electronic suppression by Russian electronic warfare systems.”

    Citing sources from the Syrian military, the Avia.Pro report said: “the Turkish air force often attacked areas where there were no Syrian military personnel or any other important objects, which, most likely, is due to the incorrect operation of the GPS system.”

    The publication previously reported that two Turkish drones were hacked by the Russian electronic system, resulting in the UAV’s interception in northwestern Syria.

    It should be clarified that a few days ago the media reported that the Turkish F-16 could not bring down the Syrian Su-22 just because of the powerful electronic suppression, and this was done directly from the air, which most certainly confirms the data that that powerful Russian electronic warfare systems were also used against Turkish drones,” they added.


    https://www.almasdarnews.com/article/russian-electronic-warfare-caused-major-problems-for-turkish-aircraft-in-syria-report/


    According to the report also , Russia was testing its electronic warfare versus NATO air to air missiles fired on
    the syrian plane..  this is how i think it happened.. they send two combat old  plane , near turkey border useless for combat ,to lure turkey f-16s into firing their long range missiles at them.. and if done right.. they will fly their planes above zones syrian army is located.. and eject from the plane.. as soon turkey airforce fire the missiles..
    at them.. something russian spy planes can advice them ..when it happens..  so they are not harmed..
    then a third old plane of the same model ,  do the same , and lure turkey airforce to do the same.. this time
    the plane armed with some powerful electronic defense..  and if all done right.. all pilots will be safe and 2 obsolete planes ,that were not upgraded for modern combat sacrificed.. and the third plane used to test how
    advance electronic warfare ,installed by russia  on their su-30 /su-35 and su-34 works..  probably the third pilot
    was a russian on a syrian mig.. with the mission to jam the NATO F-16s fired missiles.

    this is my theory.. because it will be incredibly foolish ,to send 3 planes  withing minutes of difference,one after another to be shot down for nothing.. such horrible lost of planes in same day will not be justified unless it was
    a real important mission.. and turkey airforce was not flying above syria ,neither turkey was advancing in the ground. so no need for such reckless sacrifice of planes unless ,they were testing jamming of turkey missiles with soviet era planes..



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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sun Mar 08, 2020 11:42 pm

    Good article on TAC by Scott Ritter:. Nicely states how much of a catastrophic reaming that Erdogan has taken with his ill-considered efforts to bolster terrorist groups in Idlib Laughing

    When the history of the Syrian conflict is written, the fighting that took place between the Syrian Army and its allies on the one side, and the Turkish military and Turkish-backed Syrian rebels on the other, from early February through early March 2020 in and around the Syrian town of Saraqib, will go down as one of the decisive encounters of that war.

    Representing more than a clash of arms between the Syrian and Turkish militaries, the Battle for Saraqib was a test of political will between Turkish President Recep Erdogan and his Russian counterpart, Vladimir Putin. History will show Turkey lost on both accounts.

    The Battle for Saraqib had its roots in fighting that began back in December 2019, in the form of an offensive carried out by the Syrian Army, supported by the Russian Air Force, against pro-Turkish opposition forces in and around Idlib province. The Syrian-Russian offensive represented the collapse of the so-called Sochi Agreement of September 17, 2018, which established what were known as “de-escalation zones” separating the Syrian Army from anti-government rebel forces in Idlib. As part of the Sochi Agreement, Turkey set up a dozen “observation posts”—in reality, fortified compounds housing several hundred troops and their equipment—throughout the Idlib de-escalation zone.

    In exchange for legitimizing the existence of fortified Turkish observation posts, the Sochi Agreement mandated specific actions on Turkey’s part, including overseeing the establishment of a “demilitarized zone” within the de-escalation zone where tanks, artillery and multiple rocket launchers were to be excluded, and from which all “radical terrorist groups” would be removed by October 15, 2018. Moreover, Turkey was responsible for restoring transit traffic on two strategic highways linking the city of Aleppo with Latakia (the M4 highway) and Damascus (the M5 highway.)

    While Turkey established its fortified observation posts, it failed to live up to any of its commitments under the Sochi Agreement—no demilitarized zones were created, no heavy equipment evacuated, and no “radical terrorist groups” removed from the de-escalation zone. This last point was of particular note, since the most prominent of these “radical terrorist groups”—Hayat Tahrir al-Sham, or HTS—was also the largest and most effective of the anti-Assad groups operating in Idlib province.

    The objective of the December 2019 Syrian military offensive was to achieve through force of arms what Turkey had failed to do—restore transit traffic capability for both the M4 and M5 highways and, in doing so, evict HTS and other anti-Assad rebel groups from the de-escalation zones. By early February 2020 the Syrian Army had, through its advances, surrounded a number of Turkish observation posts, putting Turkey in the politically difficult situation of sitting and watching while the anti-Assad forces it had helped create, train and equip were being defeated on the field of battle.

    Turkey sought to blunt the Syrian advance on Feb. 3, by reinforcing its observation post located near the strategic town of Saraqib, which overlooked the juncture of the M4 and M5 highways. Whomever controlled Saraqib likewise controlled both highways. When a large Turkish military convoy heading toward Saraqib was brought under Syrian artillery fire, killing five Turkish soldiers and three Turkish civilian contractors, Turkey responded by shelling Syrian Army positions, killing scores of Syrian soldiers. This was the opening round of what would become the Battle for Saraqib and represented the first large-scale combat between the Syrian and Turkish militaries since the Syrian crisis began in 2011.

    The Syrian attack on the Turkish Army in Idlib was a red line for President Erdogan, who in a statement made before Turkish parliamentarians on Feb. 5, warned that “if the Syrian regime will not retreat from Turkish observation posts in Idlib in February, Turkey itself will be obliged to make this happen.” Erdogan backed up his rhetoric by deploying tens of thousands of Turkish troops, backed up by armor and artillery, to its border with Syria, while continuing to dispatch reinforcements to its beleaguered observation posts inside Idlib.

    On Feb. 6, the Syrian Army captured Saraqib. Four days later, on Feb. 10, Turkish-backed rebels, backed by Turkish artillery, launched a counterattack against Syrian Army positions around Saraqib, which was beaten back by heavy Syrian artillery fire. In the process, the Turkish observation near the village of Taftanaz was hit by Syrian shells, killing five Turkish soldiers and wounding five others. The Turks responded by striking Syrian Army positions throughout Idlib province with sustained artillery and rocket fire.

    Speaking to Turkish parliamentarians after the attack on Taftanaz, Erdogan declared that “we will strike regime forces everywhere from now on regardless of the Sochi deal if any tiny bit of harm comes to our soldiers at observation posts or elsewhere,” adding that“We are determined to push back (regime forces) behind the borders of the Sochi deal by the end of February.”

    The capture of Saraqib and the vital M4-M5 highway juncture allowed the Syrian Army to seize control of the entire M5 highway for the first time since 2012. The Syrian Army then proceeded to push west, toward the city of Idlib, closing to within eight miles of the provincial capital. In order to blunt the Syrian advances, Turkey deployed hundreds of Special Forces who integrated into the ranks of the anti-regime units, helping coordinate their attacks with Turkish artillery and rocket supporting fires. Starting Feb. 16, the rebel fighters, supported by Turkish Special Forces, launched a relentless attack against Syrian Army positions in and around the village of Nayrab, located mid-way between Idlib and Saraqib. Nayrab eventually fell on the night of Feb. 24. The cost, however, was high—hundreds of rebel fighters were killed, along with two Turkish soldiers.

    The Turks and their rebel allies then turned their sights on Saraqib itself, pushing out of Nayrab and securing a foothold in Saraqib’s eastern suburbs and cutting the M5 highway in several locations. The Syrian Army had shifted most of its offensive power to the southwest, where they were advancing toward the M4 highway. The Syrians called in fighters from Hezbollah and pro-Iranian militias to help stabilize the Saraqib front. The Turkish military, in an effort to break up Russian and Syrian aerial attacks, began employing man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS), firing more than 15. While none of these hit their targets, they did cause the Russians and Syrian to abort their attacks and leave the area.

    In retaliation for the Turkish employment of MANPADS, Russia and Syrian aircraft struck a Turkish mechanized battalion operating in southern Idlib on Feb. 27, killing more than 33 Turkish soldiers, and wounding some 60 more. This attack sent shock waves through Turkey, with Erdogan threatening to punish all parties responsible, including the Russians (who denied their involvement in the attack, despite evidence to the contrary.)

    On March 1 President Erdogan ordered Turkish forces to carry out a general offensive in Idlib, named Operation Spring Shield, intended to drive Syria and its allies back to the positions they held at the time of the Sochi Agreement in September 2018. The combined Turkish-rebel offensive immediately stalled in the face of steadfast Syrian resistance, backed by Russian air strikes. The Syrian Army recaptured Saraqib and took control of the entire M5 highway, reversing the earlier Turkish gains.

    By March 4, the situation facing the Turkish-backed rebel fighters was so dire that they gave up all pretense of independent operations, and instead intermixed themselves within the Turkish outposts to avoid being targeted by the Russian Air Force. Erdogan, recognizing that the game was up, flew to Moscow on March 5 for an emergency summit with Russian President Vladimir Putin, where they negotiated the terms of a new ceasefire agreement.

    The Moscow Summit was a bitter pill for Erdogan to swallow. Although formulated as an “additional protocol” to the existing September 2018 Sochi Agreement, the deal struck between Erdogan and Putin in Moscow was very much a document of surrender for the Turks. His fiery rhetoric and threats to push the Syrian Army and its allies out of Idlib the contrary, Erdogan was compelled to accept a new “de-escalation” zone defined by the frontlines as they stood on March 6.

    Moreover, the Turks were now compelled to share enforcement and monitoring of a 12-kilometer “demilitarized zone” straddling the M4 highway with Russian military patrols. Lastly, adding insult to injury, the Turks were denied a no-fly zone over Idlib, ceding control of the air to the Russian Air Force, while still being required to disarm and remove all persons belonging to terrorist organizations, which in this case meant HTS, the most numerous and effective of the anti-Assad rebel groups. In short, Russia secured for Syria all its hard-won victories, while ceding nothing to Turkey save a face-saving ceasefire.

    For Syria and Russia, the Battle of Saraqib was about restoring Syrian sovereignty over the totality of Syrian territory; for Turkey, it was about securing lasting Turkish control and influence over the northwestern Syrian province of Idlib. Turkey lost on both accounts. While Turkey has been allowed to maintain its chain of fortified “observation posts”, the vast majority of these are surrounded by the Syrian Army, and of no military value.

    Moreover, the dismal performance of the Turkish Army and its anti-Assad allies against the Syrian Army and its allies, including the Russian Air Force, in the Idlib campaign as a whole, and the Battle of Saraqib in particular, have put to rest any thoughts Erdogan might have retained about imposing Turkey’s will on either Damascus or Moscow; Turkey now knows that there will not be a Turkish military solution to the problem of Idlib.

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:20 am

    Like most the Turks are honorable. Like most they may have honorable or otherwise leaders from time to time.

    Sadly it is the same everywhere... the ones with no honour find it easier to float to the top...

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    Post  ahmedfire on Mon Mar 09, 2020 1:28 pm

    Vann7 wrote:
    ahmedfire wrote:Claims that the Egyptian EC-130H Compass electronic warfare aircraft went over syria today

    Also  the egyptian intelligence chief visited Damascus


    Syrian War: News #21 - Page 40 Screen43

    Egypt sisi government will benefit enormously in sending special forces and observers too ,to syria ,for training
    in a real war.. vs NATO armed factions.. and sending an electronic plane is also a good idea.. best place
    in the world to train your military for war is Syria.. that will allow their intelligence officers first hand experience,
    how it looks on their spy planes , the battle field..  Russia should arm egypt in the same way it did with syrian military , including s-300s defenses ,pantsirs and tors... and t-90 tanks..and also create a very well defended giant military base in egypt near lybia side , im sure sisi will rent the territory for free.. and a naval port there with munition.. to supply syria in case turkey close the bosphurus..


    Egypt already got Antey-2500 , TorM1,2 ,BukM2 ,MIG29M/M2 and some reports saying that Su35 is in the way to Egypt .

    Egypt presence in Syria will be great as it will be a chance to work together against Turks .

    As turkey came to Libya " on Egypt's borders " , Egypt said fine we will go to your borders too .

    Egypt sees a strong Syrian army "and any army around israel " as a part of Egyptian and arab's national security just in case of a next war with Israel .




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