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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 22, 2020 12:10 am

    It is useful to remember that correlation is not causation. I don't know why Ivanka is supposed to be some queen of the vectors.

    Anyway, I am now totally dismissing all official numbers of the infection rate.

    1) Think of how flu spreads. There are some more virulent strains, typically coming from China, and they make up all the infections
    in a given year.

    2) Covid-19 and its multiple variants are no different. If the flu can propagate through essentially the whole population over the course of
    a winter, then how is it physically possible for Canada (e.g.) to have only 1000 cases? Covid-19 would spread just as fast as the
    flu and in fact, faster since it has shown superior air propagation and survival characteristics. Canada has been exposed since January
    like all of Europe and the USA. Three months is a substantial period of time for an airborne virus to spread.

    So Covid-19 should be like the flu (in terms of spread) for early 2020. And not some boutique isolated sample scenario. The scam
    here is testing. All sorts of pretexts are being given for not testing. In the USA tests are almost $10,000 a shot.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:08 am

    RTN wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    CNN said it so it must be true lol! lol1 

    Jokes on you. CNN is the most anti Trump channel here in the US. That's the reason I shared the CNN link to suggest that even the most avowed anti Trump news network was unable to prove that Ivanka is Covid-19 positive.
    Jokes on you, citing a 'source' that you disregard most times but cite them when it's convenient is called confirmation bias, also NBC/MSNBC is also hostile to Trump too, but they aired his show 'The Apprentice' for many years, they were in favor of Trump before they were against him. Similarly Hillary is also anti-Trump, but guess what? Hillary attended Trumps wedding, she's another example of someone who was in favor of Trump before they were against him. US politics is a kubuki theater of cronyism for simpletons, and CNN or MSNBC wouldn't be hostile to Trump if they stood to make money with him. BTW your so insistent to cite CNN as a source, I wouldn't have provided them as one but your adamant to trust them as a reliable go to source, so be it here you go...

    Fact check: Trump wrongly claims FDA 'approved' drug chloroquine to treat the coronavirus

    Makes you question the credibility of his other medical briefings when he claims something is a cure when it hasn't been through trials yet.
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    Post  Hannibal Barca on Sun Mar 22, 2020 2:53 am

    I believe this coronovarius thing is a tipping point in human history, something like the beginning of the Chinese era.
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    Post  jhelb on Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:36 am

    Hannibal Barca wrote:I believe this coronovarius thing is a tipping point in human history, something like the beginning of the Chinese era.

    A few years ago SARS was caused by this very same coronavirus. Was any pandemic declared then? This panic has been created entirely by the media hand in glove with Democrats and other liberals who are trying to remove Putin and Trump from office by ensuring there is a massive economic slowdown worldwide thereby leading to a crash in oil prices.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:32 am

    jhelb wrote:
    Hannibal Barca wrote:I believe this coronovarius thing is a tipping point in human history, something like the beginning of the Chinese era.

    A few years ago SARS was caused by this very same coronavirus. Was any pandemic declared then? This panic has been created entirely by the media hand in glove with Democrats and other liberals who are trying to remove Putin and Trump from office by ensuring there is a massive economic slowdown worldwide thereby leading to a crash in oil prices.
    SARS (and also later MERS) were cause by coronaviruses, bit they are not the same. It is like saying that a whale, a bat and a monkey are the same thing since they are all mammals.
    The problem with this Covid19 is that it is not limited mainly to east asia or to middle east, but is spreading all around the world. In addition it is very contagious and the treatment in about 10% of the affected requires intensive care, stressing the whole healthcare system.
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    Post  nomadski on Sun Mar 22, 2020 3:54 pm

    https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-law-enforcement-document-reveals-white-supremacists-discussed-using-coronavirus-as-a-bioweapon/ar-BB11vT0H


    @ KVS



    I would like to think that this virus epidemic is a natural event. But as you said, there are problems with many anomalies. One being the rate of spread from supposed source and different mortality, given approximate equal environments. The other, is the remote possibility of natural evolution of virus from animal source, given the need for multiple animal hosts, including human.
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 22, 2020 4:33 pm

    nomadski wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-law-enforcement-document-reveals-white-supremacists-discussed-using-coronavirus-as-a-bioweapon/ar-BB11vT0H


    @ KVS



    I would like to think that this virus epidemic is a natural event. But as you said, there are problems with many anomalies. One being the rate of spread from supposed source and different mortality, given approximate equal environments. The other, is the remote possibility of natural  evolution of virus from animal source, given the need for multiple animal hosts, including human.

    Anything coming out of the USA on the topic of white supremacy is automatically suspect and to be ignored. This phrase has become vapid as it is
    used for the current elite infighting in the USA. The threat of white supremacy is non-existent today. But PC totalitarianism (e.g. officially accepted
    BS such as non-whites cannot be racist) is alive and well in the NATzO west.

    White supremacists maybe engaged in some survivalist recreation, but they do not control biolabs. Anyway, Italy proves that this is not some virus
    specifically designed to take out the Chinese or other non-white races.

    It would not be surprising if this virus was an artificial black swan designed to shake the chessboard. But it is still to early to tell if this is so and if
    the perps are gaining by it.



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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Mar 22, 2020 5:12 pm

    kvs wrote:
    nomadski wrote:https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/federal-law-enforcement-document-reveals-white-supremacists-discussed-using-coronavirus-as-a-bioweapon/ar-BB11vT0H


    @ KVS



    I would like to think that this virus epidemic is a natural event. But as you said, there are problems with many anomalies. One being the rate of spread from supposed source and different mortality, given approximate equal environments. The other, is the remote possibility of natural  evolution of virus from animal source, given the need for multiple animal hosts, including human.

    Anything coming out of the USA on the topic of white supremacy is automatically suspect and to be ignored.   This phrase has become vapid as it is
    used for the current elite infighting in the USA.    The threat of white supremacy is non-existent today.   But PC totalitarianism (e.g. officially accepted
    BS such as non-whites cannot be racist) is alive and well in the NATzO west.

    White supremacists maybe engaged in some survivalist recreation, but they do not control biolabs.   Anyway, Italy proves that this is not some virus
    specifically designed to take out the Chinese or other non-white races.  

    It would not be surprising if this virus was an artificial black swan designed to shake the chessboard.    But it is still to early to tell if this is so and if
    the perps are gaining by it.




    I consider the highest pinnacle of racism in the US to be their foreign policy, but their foreign policy has some diversity (Obummer, Colon Bowels Powell, Kind-of-Sleeza and Susan Rice, etc.) It's more accurate to call it a Anglo-Supremacist racket, where all non-Anglo Saxon/non-English speaking countries are forced to be subservient to their will, regardless of their color (look how they treated the former Yugoslavia).

    The vast majority of SJW culture supports bombing foreign countries for their natural resources (look a their support for Killary), their just projecting insecurities of their own bigotry on to others (just like all the other influential political groups in america).
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    Post  nomadski on Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:13 pm

    Well since the American government will not lift sanctions on Iran, during this  pandemic. Effectively killing thousands of Iranians , because of lack of funds to treat them and isolate them and disinfect the environment. Then I think Iran should  throw the corpses of corona virus dead , into American bases in ME region. Just load  a corpse of Iranian corona victim, into a trebuchet, and chuck into  yank bases.  They will soon leave.

    https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trebuchet
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:27 pm


    Iran could start with washing their hands

    Also, they have huge army so they might start using it to implement a lockdown and quarantine



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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 22, 2020 7:57 pm

    https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/#italian-media

    Ukraine is clearly faking its numbers. It reports no new cases, which is complete nonsense given its location and delayed
    reaction response. By contrast, Russia which smeared with all sorts of "faking" accusations actually bothers to report
    daily new cases.
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    Post  nero on Sun Mar 22, 2020 8:57 pm

    Since mid February:

    • S&P 500 - lost 31,8%
    • DOW Jones Industrial Average - lost 34,7%
    • NASDAQ - lost 29,9%

    Oil price decreased by ~50%, from 52 USD to 22 USD. I can already hear an orchestra of small violins, playing for the USD.

    The entirety of Europe is in a 'every country for themselves!' mode. With the US increasing testing, daily cases will likely go up by >10k. They'll soon catch up Italy in this regard.

    Federal Reserve Bank of St. Louis President James Bullard predicted the U.S. unemployment rate may hit 30% in 2Q and warned of an unprecedented 50% GDP quarterly drop

    • Source


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    Post  nomadski on Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:07 pm

    I think this virus could be the work of some nut job in USA.  These right wing  evangelists,  and  their survivalist millionaire buddies,  could pay a corrupt scientist for his work. For them,  the target is not just those darned Ruskies or  Ay- rainians. But the entire American state. One that they may want to replace by first destroying it and bringing in a more totalitarian Christian nationalist dictatorship. They all have bunkers and supplies and can sit this one out. And at right moment give out the medicine, that they have made already.  They probably already have bought the patent on the cure.


    And I agree KVS.  In the UK, there is something called the D - order. This enables government to censor news. On TV here many times, medics have refused to answer question about mortality rate for those under 60. Who are healthy. And each time the medics refused to answer. But once or twice, the news from Italy was that young people died. If as you said, this was just like a case of bad flu,  with death rate of only one percent, slightly higher than common flu, then why shut down entire country?  It does not make sense. And I don't think China beat this. Unless they have eradicated it. Because it will spread again. And they achieved this at what economic or human cost?  Can they relax now? And they must, for sake of economy. And it will happen again. Until it breaks the economy.  Unless there is a cure. And it is eradicated. Down to the last RNA strand.   Bringing in Army, may not solve problem. Just prolonging the pain and destroying economy.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:21 pm

    The World Health Organization (WHO) has confirmed that Russia is handling the corona virus properly, no evidence of a cover up like the claims of neo-liberals like Garry Kasparov and Navalny have been regurgitating:

    https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1241532716744609796
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sun Mar 22, 2020 9:48 pm

    Hole wrote:Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 7 Photo_10
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    Russia sends aid to Italy.
    Спасибо Россия! Grazie Russia!

    We got help from Russia, China and Cuba, and instead the UE and other UE countries are just creating more difficulties for us, negating help and delaying the deliver of help coming from other nations.

    Even america and NATO is doing its worst to fuck with us. There was a modular container hospital from NATO in Italy, that included also intensive care stations, and yesterday it has been sent from Italy to Luxembourg... no comments

    By the way, the Il-76 from Russia are flying first in Sochi and then from there through the black sea and through Turkish and Greek airspace in order to avoid russophobic  nutjobs in eastern and central Europe...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:06 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Hole wrote:Coronavirus pandemic 2019-20 - Page 7 Photo_10
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    Russia sends aid to Italy.
    Спасибо Россия!  Grazie Russia!

    We got help from Russia, China and Cuba, and instead the UE and other UE countries are just creating more difficulties for us, negating help and delaying the deliver of help coming from other nations.

    Even america and NATO is doing its worst to fuck with us. There was a modular container hospital from NATO in Italy, that included also intensive care stations, and yesterday it has been sent from Italy to Luxembourg... no comments

    By the way, the Il-76 from Russia are flying first in Sochi and then from there through the black sea and through Turkish and Greek airspace in order to avoid russophobic  nutjobs in eastern and central Europe...

    Your not going to like this:

    "This is wild: China sent Italy a huge shipment of 680,000 masks and thousands of respirators to help it contain coronavirus, but while it was traveling the Czech Republic seized it for itself
     
    Both countries are EU members. European solidarity is a fantasy

    https://twitter.com/BenjaminNorton/status/1241717551819902977"

    Also this:

    "A flight from the US military base in Aviano, Italy flew 500,000 #COVID19 kits while Italy goes through emergency for lack of kits. They were produced and sold by a company in Brescia, right in the epicentre of the epidemic (Lombardia). Emblematic, to say the least

    https://twitter.com/taseenb/status/1240759328757428224"


    With allies like this, who needs enemies? Rolling Eyes  Then again we're also told Greece and Turkey are allies lol! lol1
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    Post  kvs on Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:20 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:The World Health Organization (WHO) has confirmed that Russia is handling the corona virus properly, no evidence of a cover up like the claims of neo-liberals like Garry Kasparov and Navalny have been regurgitating:

    https://twitter.com/27khv/status/1241532716744609796

    Check out some of the comments below:

    Jake
    @dr_jaked
    ·
    20h
    Replying to
    @27khv
    and
    @WHO
    CNN: "Russians have raised questions referring to their country's poor track record of transparency, such as the coverup around the Chernobyl nuclear catastrophe in 1986..." Chernobyl is in Ukraine. And that was an entirely different government. Who writes this shit.

    Котомкин-Портянский
    @DDERSS
    ·
    14h
    Besides, there was a short information delay in Chernobyl, not coverup. And it has saved countless lives since the government has prevented panic this way, and panic is the main reason for death in most catastrophes, not the catastrophe itself directly.


    CNN is the dumbest propaganda operation on the planet. Back in 1999 it was comparing Albanians fleeing Kosovo in passenger cars to FYROM (Slav Macedonia) to
    Jews in cattle cars being sent to death camps. No, I am not making it up. It is so f*cktarded inane that one could not make it up. The endless stream of
    CNN retardation as to the location of world capitals, countries, etc., is part of the same brain rot.


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    Post  Isos on Sun Mar 22, 2020 10:22 pm


    With allies like this, who needs enemies? Rolling Eyes Then again we're also told Greece and Turkey are allies lol! lol1

    Turkish are bombing the greek with smoke grenades at their border. It's just a matter of time before they start using actual bombs.

    Nato is bullshit and EU has rules only for paying money to those dickheads in Bruxelles that do nothing all day long.
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    Post  Vladimir79 on Sun Mar 22, 2020 11:56 pm

    Isos wrote:

    Turkish are bombing the greek with smoke grenades at their border. It's just a matter of time before they start using actual bombs.

    Nato is bullshit and EU has rules only for paying money to those dickheads in Bruxelles that do nothing all day long.

    If Turkey uses actual bombs against Greece that will be the end of Turkey... like Article 5 end.
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    Post  Regular on Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:06 am

    Nice gesture from Russia, but sure as shit, 4-5 weeks later Russia might need this themselves. This is natural progression of virus...
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    Post  nero on Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:11 am

    Regular wrote:Nice gesture from Russia, but sure as shit, 4-5 weeks later Russia might need this themselves. This is natural progression of virus...

    They were one of the first to close borders with China & put people coming back from infected countries into quarantine... unlike many EU countries.

    The spread of the country will also help in combating infection. The only problem is containing the virus in Moscow and St Pete's.
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    Post  kvs on Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:13 am

    Regular wrote:Nice gesture from Russia, but sure as shit, 4-5 weeks later Russia might need this themselves. This is natural progression of virus...

    You are assuming one initial case always gives the same development in every country. That is not how it works.
    There is a nonlinear amplification of the total infections by having open borders and "voluntary quarantine". Russia,
    like Singapore and Hong Kong locked down the border at the right time and imposed real quarantine measures.
    So the all-time infection rate in Russia will be much less than in Italy and China. Russia and the few other
    examples have succeeded in "flattening" the infection curve.

    It is something to behold where countries with utter failure in response are passing judgement on the country
    that took the right actions that the right time. There is simply no credibility with all the sour grapes "forecasting"
    from these loser clowns.

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    Post  kvs on Mon Mar 23, 2020 1:14 am

    nero wrote:
    Regular wrote:Nice gesture from Russia, but sure as shit, 4-5 weeks later Russia might need this themselves. This is natural progression of virus...

    They were one of the first to close borders with China & put people coming back from infected countries into quarantine... unlike many EU countries.

    The spread of the country will also help in combating infection. The only problem is containing the virus in Moscow and St Pete's.

    All the people forecasting an Italian scenario for Russia are utterly clueless.

    Also, Russia is working on half a dozen vaccines at the present time including animal trials in progress.

    By flattening the infection curve and working on viable vaccines, Russia will prevent any long term accumulation of
    cases.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Mon Mar 23, 2020 2:42 am

    Regular wrote:Nice gesture from Russia, but sure as shit, 4-5 weeks later Russia might need this themselves. This is natural progression of virus...

    They can always call them back



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