ultimatewarrior wrote:Some people love it. Some people don't. Putin better be careful. Erdogan and Trump are NATO cahoots. Soon they may invade Damascus together. Will Putin attack Turkish and American armies if they march on Damascus? Assad must be shitting his pants.
I don't think Erdogan and his military planners are that fool...
To try to over run damascus.. you know how expensive that will be for Turkey Army? and with Russia
helping Damascus.. Erdogan will need allies in the zone and will not completely destroy its relations with Russia.
and Americans at same time..
Most likely things to happen..
1)Americans retreat in full from Kurdistan.. Check..
2)Turkey Army invades.. Check
3)Kurds talk to Syrian army and they offer protection if disarm completely....
And so the Syrian army could create its own Buffer zone in kurds zone ,while at same
time leaving its own space for Turkey army to operate.. and create its buffer zone..
So if Russia do diplomacy right ,that i don't see how they will fail now ,after so much progress with Turkey,and Syria government and SAA follows Russia policy to the letter ,it could have Turkey and Syrian sharing buffer zones in Kurdistan Syria.. the northest zones controlled by turkey ,the souther zones controlled by Syria.. and Kurds kurdistan project completely destroyed.. a Project that ironically was setup by NATO major powers to keep Turkey always in check.. Kurds were anti Turkey forces to cause problems to turkey ,to IRAN and to Syria too.. But Assad managed to keep doors of dialogue open with Kurds.. to have some kind of acceptable relations ,with major differences from time to time.
This naturally is a not sustainable project for Erdogan in Turkey ,because they will face major resistance ,and the zones they control will be forced to participate in Turkey elections .. So those kurds will cause problem to Erdogan in any elections , so will not help Erdogan popularity at home ,to keep indefinitely an army in Syria.
In more news Kurds Syrian democratic forces.. are truly desperate and asking help France now ,sending a delegation to help Kurds fight Turkey.. I don't think france will risk a war with Turkey for kurds and will be neutral.
This entire policy of US in Syria is the mother of all failures.. the biggest blowback in history to any US policy.
Is worse than Vietnam and North korea wars combined as a failure to achieving any tactical advantage..
This could threaten NATO iron shield around Russia ,because if they kick Turkey from NATO , then Russia navy there will have free movement in the mediterranean sea ,no longer contained in black sea in case of a war with US and target US bases in italy.. This also threatens Israel domination in the zone...
But don't listen me.. listen a Russian military commentator opinions on the whole subject..
he do an analysys and is the best description of how doomed are American middle east policy..
Doomed no matter in which direction they go.. Basically Turkey have Americans policy makers grabbed
by the balls.. and can ask anything.. and so eventually to keep Turkey as an ally will sooner or later
hit Israel interest too..
military commentator for RT.com. He is a retired colonel. He served as an officer at the main operational directorate of the General Staff of the Russian Armed Forces.
This is why Recep Tayyip Erdoğan is not scared by anyone’s threats to kick Turkey out of NATO. He knows they are empty. Nothing will stop Ankara from pursuing its policies, not even NATO.
The alliance, on the other hand, will have something to lose in case this type of punishment is indeed applied to Turkey, and these political, military and reputational losses can be disastrous.
First of all, this will leave a serious gap in the ranks of the alliance, which will not be easy to repair. Secondly, a move like this will inevitably trigger a discussion about NATO’s very existence. In other words, Turkey might play the role of that key piece in a tower puzzle that, once pulled out, sends the whole structure collapsing.
Meanwhile, Trump’s threat to “obliterate” Turkey’s economy (which must be interpreted as “obliterating” Turkey as a state), clashes seriously with the interests of the European Union both in terms of economy, but even more so in geopolitical terms. The demise of Turkey could mean the fall of the last wall standing between Europe and floods of migrants from the Middle East.
Having allies is crucial to a military and political campaign of any kind, but it seems unlikely that Trump’s stance on Turkey will secure him any in Europe. This kind of rhetoric coming from the White House can have no other effect than giving the green light to full-scale armaments cooperation between Moscow and Ankara. This eventually might lead to a whole new balance on the geopolitical map of the region.
It looks like Trump has already made one serious mistake by suspending the F-35 deal with Turkey, and now he is on track to aggravate the situation and lose one of the key US partners in the region.
Very soon, we may hear completely different rhetoric and a change of tone from Washington when it comes to Turkey. Otherwise, the US might end up having to deal with two ‘Irans’ in the region.
So didn't i told Israel is the biggest loser in their Syrian war project ? even though it can be debatable ,
since Kurds will lose their entire Kurdistant project.. the only thing i did not saw was how bad it could be
for US policy warmakers ,future in the entire region. Turkey Pushing US out of Syria while keeping good terms with Russia strenthen IRAN and Russia position significantly and significantly helps Turkey position too.. And US declaring economy war or military war against Turkey ,completely destroy their own Alliance and leadership and NATO own existence.. because when Turkey shutdown American planes.. No other NATO player will form in line to fight turkey ,in retaliation of US trade war with Europe.
If erdogan goes full retard ,and betray Russia interest again.. it will be Good for kurds and for US.. and very bad for turkey security.. with Kurds being armed not only by Europe but Russia too..
So i don't see any way for US , to save its position in the middle east. they simply their greed made their policies to blowback on them.. US elites like Graham in senate is asking on kicking Turkey from NATO ,so that will put
Turkey completely in the hands of Russia and IRAN. and Turkey ,Russia and IRAN will be the new Bosses in the zone.. Saudi Arabia and UAE if smart will move towards the Russian-CHina to defend their sovereignty and allowing turkey to keep his own zone... Jordan will be next.. and will move to Russian side.. so A real possibility for the first time ,to counter US and Israel. in Middle east ,when US influence is kicked from there. If Turkey stay
in good terms with Russia no matter what ,it will be a real possibility ,to totally kick US from the middle east. and
creation of very well armed nations ,that can defend their sovereignty and air space ,with help of Russia and China. and a new world order indeed with muslim nations for the first time ,in the driver seat as equals..
US and Israel losing the control of the entire Middle east is what is at risk.