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    Universal landing ships for Russian Navy

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Jan 10, 2020 9:32 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
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    LHD project designed by Zelenodolsk

    https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EN5sRLHX0AEt-s0?format=jpg&name=900x900

    Do we know the differences between this one and Lavina LHD?  They should be of similar size...


    Deck is definitely more spacious

    6 choppers ready for takeoff, 6 parked, probably deck hangar as well and what looks like VLS bank (blue) in front of tower but those could just be containers

    Maybe ice-strengthened bow


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    Post  Isos Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:08 pm

    front of tower but those could just be containers

    Those are containers. But container can carry kalibr so 24 kalibr in all those containers with room for much more. They can eveb fit all the deck with containers each carrying 4 kalibr for hundreds of kalibr if they need to.

    The other blue thing on the back sides may be VLS howerver.
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    Post  George1 Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:39 pm

    Project of the universal landing ship from Ak-Bars shipbuilding corporation


    The project of the universal landing ship (UDC) for the Russian Navy developed by Zelenodolsk Design Bureau JSC (ZPKB), which is part of Ak-Bars Shipbuilding Corporation JSC, The project was presented on January 9, 2020 to the President of the Russian Federation Vladimir Putin, dedicated to the prospects of the development of the Navy of the Russian Federation, in the building of the Black Sea Higher Naval Order of the Red Star of the school named after P.S. Nakhimov in Sevastopol.

    Recall that it was previously reported that the ZPKB was tasked with designing the UDC for the Russian Navy, and the construction of the ships themselves is supposed to be carried out at the shipbuilding plant Zaliv in Kerch, controlled by Ak-Bars Corporation.

    very similar to Mistral:

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    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3901652.html
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    Post  Isos Fri Jan 10, 2020 10:52 pm

    very similar to Mistral:

    50 smaller than mistral. Design may be similar but the ship itself is different because 50m smaller.

    We will notice also that again russian media suckks at taking pictures.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Jan 10, 2020 11:52 pm

    Isos wrote:
    very similar to Mistral:

    50 smaller than mistral. Design may be similar but the ship itself is different because 50m smaller.

    We will notice also that again russian media suckks at taking pictures.

    50m smaller? Compared to what?

    Definitely not with Mistral, since Mistral lenght is 199 m and this ship is 204m, so 5 m longer.

    A funny comment translated from russian from the bmpd  website:

    (...)I wonder what is its characteristics in comparison with Mistral?
    There are no iPods)))
    And there are three orders of armament more)))
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    Post  hoom Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:10 am

    It would make no sense to put UKSK on it, the ship will have escorts for that.
    If they're building it in Zaliv & want it to be able to transit the Bosphorus it makes perfect sense.
    I would class it as an absolute requirement unshaven

    50 smaller than mistral.
    204m (looks like 192m waterline) is basically same as Mistral.

    Bastion Karpenko tried to flatten the screenshot
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    But they're mis-reading some of the stats.

    BMPD has this one which clearly shows the 204m overall & 47m beam (looks like 28m waterline?) which is wider than Mistral.
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    Displacement 23kton?

    Definitely much different than the popular Priboy/Lavina concept, lifts are in very different places.
    With the island clearly thinner than the length of the choppers there is no hangar in the island.
    Doesn't appear to be any obvious provision for VLS, though as mentioned several of those containers are in appropriate spots for using containerised weapon systems.
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    Post  Isos Sat Jan 11, 2020 12:22 am

    My bad I thought it was writen 234m and confused the sized of the mistral as being 299 instead of 199m.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jan 11, 2020 5:23 am

    Those blue parts are vertical launchers... I would expect either TOR or S-350 or a combination of both... if they have UKSK launchers they might have one or two to carry anti submarine rockets to protect the vessel from sub attack.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:37 am

    Isos wrote:My bad I thought it was writen 234m and confused the sized of the mistral as being 299 instead of 199m.
    with 299 meters it would have been almost as long as the Kuznetov (304m) and much longer than the french nuclear aircraft carrier Charles de Gaulles (about 262m).


    hoom wrote:
    It would make no sense to put UKSK on it, the ship will have escorts for that.
    If they're building it in Zaliv & want it to be able to transit the Bosphorus it makes perfect sense.
    I would class it as an absolute requirement unshaven
    It is not necessary to have missile launchers for the expedient of calling it a cruiser in order to be able to transit the bosphorus, as it is not a pure aircraft carrier anyway. However, being it a Russian ship I would consider it useful to have at least the possibility to defend itself.
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    Post  Hole Sat Jan 11, 2020 11:38 am

    Most of the time this containers will hold supplies. It is a universal landing ship so it has to carry supplies for the troops. Look at the Syrian Express where the Navy uses landing ships to carry all sorts of things. This ships will be able to carry a lot of stuff.
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    Post  Comradespud Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:45 pm

    Found this image of the proposed ships today, not sure if already posted but as you can see looks very similar to the other seen design, looks to have redut front of the tower, 4 pantsir and 4 rbu. Decks layout looks a little different but still same features, not sure if it has kalibr unless it’s utilising this long awaited universal launcher? looking good anyway  Cool  


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    Post  Isos Tue Jan 21, 2020 7:56 pm

    I think those are not redut but shtil-1 launchers. You can see the typical radars for shtil-1 on the tower.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:31 pm

    Isos wrote:I think those are not redut but shtil-1 launchers. You can see the typical radars for shtil-1 on the tower.

    Well, shtil-1 plus pantsir will make her very well defended on the short and medium range (up to 45 km, or even 70 if they make a naval equivalent of the buk-m3 system.

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    Post  Isos Tue Jan 21, 2020 8:42 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Isos wrote:I think those are not redut but shtil-1 launchers. You can see the typical radars for shtil-1 on the tower.

    Well, shtil-1 plus pantsir will make her very well defended on the short and medium range (up to 45 km, or even 70 if they make a  naval  equivalent  of the buk-m3 system.


    They don't need more. Shtil intercept on the medium range and pantsir takes everything that goes through shtil. If it misses then it has 30mm guns.

    3 layers of defence. Another advantage is the ability to carry one or more ka-31 and have a very good situation awarness.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Tue Jan 21, 2020 10:37 pm

    Isos wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Isos wrote:I think those are not redut but shtil-1 launchers. You can see the typical radars for shtil-1 on the tower.

    Well, shtil-1 plus pantsir will make her very well defended on the short and medium range (up to 45 km, or even 70 if they make a  naval  equivalent  of the buk-m3 system.


    They don't need more. Shtil intercept on the medium range and pantsir takes everything that goes through shtil. If it misses then it has 30mm guns.

    3 layers of defence. Another advantage is the ability to carry one or more ka-31 and have a very good situation awarness.

    Yes, and it will have escorts anyway (probably a Slava class plus at least a Gorshkov class and a Udaloy)
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    Post  william.boutros Wed Jan 22, 2020 5:39 pm

    Comradespud wrote:Found this image of the proposed ships today, not sure if already posted but as you can see looks very similar to the other seen design, looks to have redut front of the tower, 4 pantsir and 4 rbu. Decks layout looks a little different but still same features, not sure if it has kalibr unless it’s utilising this long awaited universal launcher?  looking good anyway  Cool  


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    Doesn't look bad indeed however what are its specs in terms of troop trasnport, vehicles and choppers?
    Of course you will not go on an expeditionary force in 1 ship. You will need escorts with air defense, missile attack and anti sub.
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    Post  GunshipDemocracy Wed Jan 22, 2020 10:43 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:
    Isos wrote:I think those are not redut but shtil-1 launchers. You can see the typical radars for shtil-1 on the tower.

    Well, shtil-1 plus pantsir will make her very well defended on the short and medium range (up to 45 km, or even 70 if they make a  naval  equivalent  of the buk-m3 system.


    Shtill-1 48 cells? its more medium-range SAM then any of existing Russian frigates. Interesting concept, besides 4xPantisr M iz mor ethen Gorskhov... so closer to Slava class capabilities then frigate.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sun Mar 01, 2020 10:07 pm

    Crimean shipbuilding plant "Zaliv" will lay two UDC for the 75th anniversary of Victory
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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 10, 2020 9:26 am

    Russia to spend $1.3 bln to construct two helicopter carriers — source


    Construction contract is slated for signing in late April

    MOSCOW, April 10. /TASS/. Construction of the first two universal landing ships at Crimea’s Zaliv shipyard will cost about 100 billion rubles ($1.3 bln), the contract is slated for signing in late April, a source in the military-industrial complex told TASS.

    "Construction contract is slated for signing in late April. The helicopter carriers’ cost will be slightly less than 100 billion rubles," the source said.

    According to the source, the ships should be laid down in early May.

    "The lead ship should be commissioned in 2026, and the second one should be commissioned in 2027," the source said.

    No official comments are available.

    Earlier, military-industrial complex sources told TASS that a technical project for both ships has already been prepared and it complies with the Navy’s requirements. The ships’ full displacement will be 25,000 tons, while their full length will be about 220 meters. Each ship will carry up to 20 heavy helicopters, 900 marines and will be equipped with a docking camera for landing boats.

    Universal landing ships, also known as helicopter carriers, have never been built in Russia and the USSR before.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Apr 10, 2020 10:37 am

    So the cash returned from the Mistral fiasco will more than pay for the two domestic equivalents, larger than the Mistral, undoubtedly with better defenses, and the money spent will remain in Russia where it will fuel local jobs and orders to the national supply chain. Not only that, Russia gets the advantage of the Mistral plans on which to enhance their ship design database, essentially for NO COST

    Yeah, what's not to love?  russia

    Fuck you France!! Pathetic vassal of the US-controlled NATOstani Continuum.  Charles de Gaulle would be rolling in his grave if he could see how far the French nation has fallen.
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    Post  Isos Fri Apr 10, 2020 11:18 am

    That's kinda expensive for a russian ship that is the same size/role as the french Mistral. Maybe they give more money than needed because it is the first of this type being build by Russia and they would go overbudget if they allocated less money so they are more prepared.

    But if they still need more than that some will get fired.
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    Post  Arrow Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:19 pm

    It's fairy tales. Russia has around 2,000 cases a day. The economy will not be able to afford new ships.
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:51 pm

    George1 wrote:

    Russia to spend $1.3 bln to construct two helicopter carriers — source


    Any chance they will grace us with official image soon?



    Arrow wrote:It's fairy tales. Russia has around 2,000 cases a day. The economy will not be able to afford new ships.

    Bad news for ya' but unfortunately highest increase in Russia was 1000 new cases yesterday

    Compare that with New York which had almost that many dead (not infected, dead) yesterday alone

    Also, stop posting off topic nonsense, we have separate tread for that


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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 10, 2020 1:52 pm

    Shtill-1 48 cells? its more medium-range SAM then any of existing Russian frigates. Interesting concept, besides 4xPantisr M iz mor ethen Gorskhov... so closer to Slava class capabilities then frigate.

    Well the old Shtil missile is quite big... in the space of 4 of the old missiles they have tubes for 12 of the new models so it will be interesting how many missiles a new vertical missile launcher could carry...

    It's fairy tales. Russia has around 2,000 cases a day. The economy will not be able to afford new ships.

    As mentioned already the money returned from the Mistral purchase will completely cover the cost so the money is there for use... there is no question of being able to afford it or not the money has already been spent and returned and is available to spend again...
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    Post  George1 Fri Apr 10, 2020 2:18 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:
    George1 wrote:

    Russia to spend $1.3 bln to construct two helicopter carriers — source


    Any chance they will grace us with official image soon?


    we have to wiat until 9th of May russia

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