GarryB wrote:Perhaps the Priboy thread could become a generic thread about projects that didn't make it and a suggestion thread about what you might want on such a vessel and why...
I would suggest bringing the relevant posts here, since the discussion about the UDK got split in two threads.
This thread can remain about universal landing ships for the RuNavy so when information and pictures are released they can go here...
They are not going to have several different types we need to differentiate anytime soon
Modern ships are just a group of solutions for different problems all mixed together on in ship design... sometimes some parts of the solution are rejected for some jobs or problems, but other portions can be used in other programmes.
Of course, and in the case of Krylov they are not even intending their proposals to be implemented as they are, the same way concept cars are not intended for manufacturing.
Recently they have signed an agreement with USC to define their respective fields of responsibility in naval construction, it seems the relation was uneasy at times. It has been also established that Krylov needs to oversee all the designs that go to the navy, the need for this has been clear after circumstances like the controllability issues with the 11711, where Krylov had not been involved in the beginning but needed to intervene at a later time to solve the issue. So like they explain in their mission statement, they are in a way responsible for the menu from which the navy, bureaus and shipyards need to chose.
That multi hull design for carriers is interesting in that it makes the hull wider which is ideal for volume and putting lots of stuff inside like aircraft hangars and of course deck wells for landing ships and armoured vehicles for landing.... but a wide bodied ship has high drag and an enormous amount of power to move it through the water.
A multi hull design is ideal for width but also low drag and high speed... and while they might not use it with this helicopter carrier, they might refine and improve the design and use it on the CVN and get a 50K ton carrier with the performance and capacity of what would be an 80K or 90K carrier with a conventional hull design...
Exactly, this is one of the main reasons I see for sticking to Lavina, which was a semi-trimaran hull. If I am not wrong, 22 knots max speed with the propulsive solution of a Gorshkov. This means less money, space and fuel used in propulsion, with serious cascading effects in the combat capabilities of the ship. And in the end it is this kind of disruptive ideas (25% lower propulsive demand is simply phenomenal) that will allow their fleet to have the competitive edge they need against way wealthier adversaries, like when they came up with corvettes with the offensive power many Western destroyers couldn't match. For a necessarily cost-conscious navy like the VMF this is a must IMO, but we will see if the solution is taken or not. I would definitely wait a couple of years more to mature the idea and get a real deal than rush a solution that is going to let me down for the next 4 decades (Mistral comes to mind
), but in the end only they can properly assess the risks and difficulties of the new design.