Universal landing ships for Russian Navy

GunshipDemocracy wrote:hmm but Mistral is 2x as large. I'd search about same displacemnt ships like Korean one:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cheon_Wang_Bong-class_LST

@PapaD
ministry of fiance might realize small carrier programme - since 30kt LHD scales  down to 8Kt LST , then 100kt CNv can be scaled down to 30+kt universal light carrier/LDH

Russia to start building helicopter carriers after 2020

Russia will start building universal amphibious assault ships after 2020

KALININGRAD, June 20. /TASS/. Russia will start designing and building universal amphibious assault ships (helicopter carriers) after 2020, when it completes design work on a new large landing ship, Navy Deputy Commander-in-Chief Viktor Bursuk said on Wednesday.

"These ships will appear as they are stipulated by the shipbuilding program and they will be built at the second stage of the program’s implementation after 2020," he said.

"The design work on universal amphibious assault ships will begin after we complete designing a large amphibious assault ship," the vice-admiral said, without specifying the design bureau that would be assigned this work.

On his part, President of Russia’s United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov said that "there will undoubtedly be competition among design bureaus" within the corporation.

"We will do this precisely in the way we build ships in cooperation with other shipyards of the North-West and we will do the design work exactly in the same manner, involving bureaus with resources available today in completing either technical or working design documentation. We will come up with a proposal for the Navy, which, I hope, will be approved," the vice-admiral said.

A source in the Russian defense industry earlier told TASS that Russia’s Defense Ministry and the United Shipbuilding Corporation had agreed that the construction of domestic helicopter carriers would begin in 2020 at the Severnaya Verf Shipyard. According to the source, two such warships are planned to be built: the first of them is expected to be handed over to the Navy in 2024 while the second warship is set to be laid out in 2024 and delivered to the fleet in 2026.

Another source earlier told TASS that helicopter carriers would have a diesel gas turbine installation, with diesel as the main engine and the turbine intended for greater capacity. Kamov Ka-52 helicopters will comprise the backbone of the warships’ air group. The helicopters’ deliveries will be synchronized with the deliveries of helicopter carriers. Also, Ka-27, Ka-29 and Ka-31 gunships will be based on the helicopter carriers.

Earlier, then-Deputy Defense Minister Yuri Borisov said that the first Russian helicopter carrier would appear approximately by 2022.

More:
http://tass.com/defense/1010325

LMFS wrote:Wait a moment, that would be IDEAL with STOVL!

In any case, they are not rushing with big displacement ships by now. I agree, there is no place for megalomania when you struggle building frigates. Maybe in the period 2020-2025 we will see bigger projects getting official, if construction of smaller vessels gets to speed, by now this is what we have... many fancy scale models and big talking but only projects below 10 kT

Baltic plant after 2021 may return to the construction of warships

If such a decision is made, it will become an element of production diversification, said the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation Alexei Rakhmanov
SAINT-PETERSBURG, June 19. / TASS /. The Baltic plant in St. Petersburg may return to the implementation of projects to build warships of the far sea zone after 2021. This opinion shared with journalists the head of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC), which includes the enterprise, Alexei Rakhmanov after a meeting of government representatives, USC and the Navy in the territory of the Baltic plant.

"We also discussed this subject, referring to the experience of building military ships of the first rank (the highest rank, which includes battleships, missile cruisers and aircraft carriers - about TASS), which the Baltic factory had 15 years ago.We are, strictly speaking, about this segment and talked about is the continuation of the discussion that we are going on with the Ministry of Defense on how to move towards the production of ships of the far sea zone. "Everybody came to the conclusion that the Baltic plant in case of successful completion of work on civil orders with can start to think about and return to military orders, I think it will not be earlier than in 2021-2022, "Rakhmanov told journalists.

He noted that such a decision, if adopted, would become an element of production diversification.

"We proceed from the fact that we will not have the separation of shipyards in USC into military and civilian ones, each shipyard will be able to participate in the state defense order and in the construction of civil ships." We keep in mind that if we have to go out to build ships of the first rank , then we are ready to do this at the Baltic plant, too, "Rakhmanov said.

The Baltic Shipyard is a St. Petersburg shipbuilding enterprise that is part of the United Shipbuilding Corporation. It specializes in the construction of nuclear icebreakers and floating nuclear power units.

GunshipDemocracy wrote:ah well what can I help that VSTOL is perfectly fit for ideal sized universal carriers? :D:D
Finance guys just make fleet dreams get real with help of something like Yak-43

GunshipDemocracy wrote:date after 2020 is not that  coincidental I'd say
Baltic plant after 2021 may return to the construction of warships

LMFS wrote:
No chance to get something reasonable in terms of range and internal weapons load with that engine position, but who knows what will be done, if they think Yakovlev also must have a part of the pie  

BTW, I found surprising the hull shape of the Lavina, is this a conventional shape for LHDs? It looks to me half-way to a trimaran  

Tsavo Lion wrote:Northern Design Bureau is designing an amphibious ship with a displacement of 8,000 tons for the RFN:
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Even the WWII CVEs were bigger, except 1:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Well better to start small and learn has you grow then go back and fail.

Nothing wrong with building a few 8k ton ships to understand the process.

That said they said DESIGNING doesn't mean the Navy will actually order them.

Tsavo Lion wrote:And it also confirms that Lavina & Priboi projects will be on paper only for a long time, otherwise why bother with this new 1? they may also hope to win export orders.

Singular_Transform wrote:......
I have to point the fact the Russian shipbuilding industry making 10k plus submarines.

And t is quite easy to argue about a 15k nuclear submarine is way harder to make than a 20k nuclear powered surface ship....

Landing ship and helicopter carrier all packed into 8000 tons. Perfect.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Is the glass 1/2 empty or 1/2 full? Everything is relative!
Yes, it'll be the largest they had so far, larger than I. Gren by 1400 T, but smaller than the planned future UDK.

PapaDragon wrote:

Singular_Transform wrote:......
I have to point the fact the Russian shipbuilding industry making 10k plus submarines.

And t is quite easy to argue about a 15k nuclear submarine is way harder to make than a 20k nuclear powered surface ship....

Given the track record they have I would say that they find it way easier to build boomers than surface ships.

Borei-class SSBN takes less time to build than Steregushi-class corvette apparently.

We know that they build​ submarines​ at completely average speed so only explanation left is that they suck super hard at building surface ships of any kind.

Tsavo Lion wrote:Perhaps this article will enlighten some members!
Why are plans for the creation of a new DDG not being implemented? 
https://news.rambler.ru/troops/40132657/?utm_content=rnews&utm_medium=read_more&utm_source=copylink

It confirms that plans r not = the real construction schedules/timelines.
Naval requirements change as the ocean weather, & the shipbuilding has to catch up.  

PapaDragon wrote:
Russia could just buy several of these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makassar-class_landing_platform_dock

It fits the bill, it's already on the market and Indonesians would have no issues selling them

Isos wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:
Russia could just buy several of these:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Makassar-class_landing_platform_dock

It fits the bill, it's already on the market and Indonesians would have no issues selling them

And they cost only 45 million $  they could even buy 10 of them.

KiloGolf wrote:

Yeah but that would make far too much sense for Russian admirals and their buddies in the local shipbuilding establishment.
Ivan Gren for everyone

Tsavo Lion wrote:Indonesia is on the Equator; they must be modified for Russian weather/ice conditions prevailing in their latitudes & northern seas around Eurasia, just like the Mistrals were going to be.
With only 4.9 meters draft, their seakeeping will be very poor there.
Will the costs be worth it? Besides, design bureaus & yards must be employed in the RF & $ kept inside the country.