Russian Economy General News: #10

Russia Lands a Bond Bonanza as Investors Look Beyond Sanctions

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2019-02-27/russia-lands-a-bond-bonanza-as-investors-look-beyond-sanctions

By Artyom Danielyan and Olga Voitova

Finance Ministry places record 57.6 billion rubles of bonds
Foreigner bond holdings climbed for the first time since March

Russia scored its biggest local-debt auction on record and foreigners boosted their holdings of the debt for the first time in almost a year, even as the threat of U.S. sanctions lingered.

The nation’s Finance Ministry sold a total of 57.6 billion rubles ($875 million) in two offerings on Wednesday. Both the 2024 and the 2029 notes were oversubscribed with the ministry offering a premium of four basis points in both tenders. Also on Wednesday, the central bank published data on bond holdings for January, which showed foreigners increased their share to 25 percent, the first gain since March.


The sale got a big boost because investors have money on their hands after the redemption of 150 billion rubles of notes, but the favorable backdrop in emerging markets and Russia’s solid finances are also playing a role, according to analysts from Danske Bank A/S and Credit Suisse Group AG. Even with the prospect of sanctions on new sovereign bonds sales hanging over the market for alleged elections meddling, Russia’s local debt has handed investors an 8.2 percent return so far this year, the most among developing nations after Egypt.

“The strong demand was expected and to an extent it confirms our theory that the American sanctions are already priced in,” said Alexey Pogorelov, an analyst at Credit Suisse in London.

Going Farthest
Russia has enough reserves to cover almost two years of imports

“The market is chasing stable macro indicators and attractive returns,” said Vladimir Miklashevsky, a Helsinki-based strategist at Danske Bank A/S.

Harshest Sanctions Yet Won’t Force Moscow to Change Its Way

https://www.themoscowtimes.com/2019/02/27/harshest-sanctions-yet-wont-force-moscow-to-change-its-way-a64600

http://www.intellinews.com/moscow-blog-us-threatens-new-round-of-sanctions-but-russia-is-ready-156429/?source=russia

U.S. threatens new round of sanctions but Russia is prepared.

By Ben Aris

Sanctions are back. In 2018, there were four rounds of sanctions which clearly did a lot of damage to Russia’s business and investment case. Ultimately, however, they failed to produce the intended result — force the Kremlin to change its aggressive ways.

As last year closed, the U.S. midterms interrupted the introduction of a new round of “crushing” sanctions. However, on Wednesday five U.S. senators from both parties published a bill called the Defending American Security from Kremlin Aggression Act (DASKA).

The aim is to increase economic, political and diplomatic pressure on Russia “in response to its interference in democratic processes abroad, its disastrous influence in Syria and aggression against Ukraine, including the recent incident in the Kerch Strait,” the Senate Foreign Policy Committee said in a press release.

According to Republican Senator Lindsay Graham, these are the toughest sanctions of all proposed so far. In response to the Kremlin’s aggression in Ukraine, the proposed sanctions target 24 FSB agents implicated in the Kerch Strait attack, the Russian shipbuilding industry, oil research and development, and Russian state-owned oil projects abroad.

Despite the drama, a new round of sanctions will have a limited effect on Russia’s economy.
Additionally, the bill aims to accelerate the transfer of weapons to NATO countries that on depend on Russian weapons, as well as creating centers that would help fight Russia in areas such as hybrid and cyber threats.

There has been speculation as to whether the “crushing sanctions” will target Russian sovereign and domestic debt. International investors believe that placing a ban on holding these bonds would make them unsellable and drive their value to zero.

However, more sober observers don't believe the U.S. government will go that far as too many big U.S. institutional investors already hold this paper thanks to the rock solid macroeconomic backing of the Russian government set against the high yields they pay.

The ruble is likely to weaken further due to the political uncertainty. Others say that the currency has already priced in some of the threat of sanctions as the Central Bank of Russia (CBR) prophylactically ended its easing cycle and hiked rates to the current 7.75% despite low inflationary pressure in anticipation of more currency volatility.

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Russia's Economy Can Weather New U.S. Sanctions, Kremlin Says
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Despite the drama, a new round of sanctions will have a limited effect on Russia’s economy. The first sanctions were imposed in 2014 following Russia’s annexation of the Crimea and since then the government has been earnestly trying to sanction-proof the economy.

Among other measures it undertook were a ban on EU food imports that have spurred massive investment into the agricultural sector to make Russia increasingly self-sufficient in food production.

Additionally, last year the CBR sold off two thirds of its U.S. treasury bond holds to put the bulk of Russia’s currency reserves out of the reach of the U.S. authorities. It has also successfully launched and deployed its own payment system to counter the threat of being denied use of the SWIFT system.

And only recently, the government introduced a bill to set up an internal internet in case Russia is cut off from the worldwide web. The government intends to test the system on April 1 by artificially cutting the lines to the internet to see what happens.

The bottom line is that sanctions are designed to force a government to change its ways, and in that sense new and even harsher sanctions are almost certainly going to fail.
But of all the changes imposed in the last four years, probably the most significant is the sustained campaign to crack down on waste and corruption. It resulted in some long overdue deep structural reforms that have seen the breakeven price of oil needed to balance the budget tumble from $115 in 2008 to $56 now — well below the average price of oil last year (hence the record large budget surplus).

With an external debt of only 15% of GDP – one of the lowest of any government in the world – and the federal budget in profit, even at reduced oil prices, there is actually very little that the U.S. can do to wound the Russian economy.

But new sanctions will inflame an already tense situation. Some Duma deputies have begun to talk about “economic war” and new “crushing sanctions” would definitely be taken as an escalation in that conflict. But the Kremlin must feel that it is ready for the fight.

The bottom line is that sanctions are designed to force a government to change its ways, and in that sense new and even harsher sanctions are almost certainly going to fail. All they will do is encourage the Kremlin to dig an even deeper trench.

Even Navalny had to swallow this own shit, butthurt is real folks

‘Chaotic’ sanctions against Russia have failed, says Navalny

Putin critic claims they miss target and US and UK avoid tackling dirty money

https://www.ft.com/content/e0374338-36c8-11e9-bd3a-8b2a211d90d5

Seems like Russian official now admit CAATSA will impede defence growth

Borisov called the reason for the slowdown in the growth of exports of Russian weapons

https://vpk.name/news/253316_borisov_nazval_prichinu_zamedleniya_rosta_eksporta_rossiiskogo_vooruzheniya.html?new#new

BIG STONE (Primorsky Krai), February 25 - RIA Novosti. Partner countries of Russia in the field of military-technical cooperation will continue to experience Western pressure on themselves, which will adversely affect the export of Russian weapons, said Deputy Prime Minister Yuri Borisov.

He stated this at a meeting on the construction of the shipyard Zvezda, the diversification of defense enterprises of the Primorsky Territory and the fulfillment of the state defense order.

"It is clear that as the necessary level of rearmament of the army is achieved, the volume of state defense orders will decline. At the same time, a significant increase in the export of military products is not expected, especially under conditions of increasing sanctions pressure on both the Russian Federation and our foreign partners," he said.

It's still based upon assumptions because it didn't stop India or Turkey from buying Russian weapons

And majority of buyers of Russian weapons don't follow US sanctions so it doesn't matter anyway. Vietnam, India and China still buy from Russia.

Only nations I see having some issues is Indonesia and Malaysia. That's about it. Maybe Thailand?

@PapsD

meantime in Russian liberal-zionist media space ...

The Russian plane failed engine five minutes after takeoff

The passenger plane of the airline Utair , following the flight Ufa - Moscow ( Vnukovo ), returned to the airport of departure due to a technical malfunction. This writes the " Komsomolskaya Pravda ".

Boeing 737-500 took  off  at 8:15 local time, but was forced to land due to a failed engine. At 8:37 he landed at the Ufa airport.

https://lenta.ru/news/2019/02/28/engine/




of course ptit info that Russia can live without external borrowing (yup, there is liquidity in Russian banks) somhow is missing.

Lenta's founder:

miketheterrible wrote:It's still based upon assumptions because it didn't stop India or Turkey from buying Russian weapons

And majority of buyers of Russian weapons don't follow US sanctions so it doesn't matter anyway. Vietnam, India and China still buy from Russia.

assumptions of Borisov I'd treat seriously.  Yes buyers of Russian equipment dont buy in US but still use USD in foreign exchange, banks have accounts in US banks.

I am sure in the position he is in he would better where they have lost  but  CASTA would certainly impact few customers who fear wider sanction on them.

But most would still stick with Russia because of cost effectiveness of its Weapons and it comes with no strings attached or intrusions.

India and Russia are choosen Ruble Rupee payment for Def Purchase

kvs wrote:There are various ways to smear people and countries.   One of them is to pretend to be a friend but only point to negative BS
as if "concerned".  The result is the same as an open Russia hater: smear of Russia.   In fact, the fake friends like V7 are
more effective at spreading this sort of propaganda than the open enemies.  When one-note Johnny V7 stops posting the same category
of sh*t, then you may have a case that he is not a Russia hater.   Until then, all we have are his smear posts.

It is fine line between being fair and unfair calling a troll a troll.  Trolls and assorted Russia haters are what totally dominate
the western information space.   And they censor and denigrate anyone who does not toe the party line.

I don't hate Russia.. i hate Incompetence.. mediocrity .. stupidity ,

If Company A , is in a business war with Company B.. they want a monopoly..
and Company A have way more products and way more stronger their business and influence..
then it will be completely idiotic to do Nothing about it.. (what Putin is doing) .. if there is no laws in that country and anything is valid..  the company B needs to take a gun and solve things with guns.. or they can expand their business to counter the hostile company A business.. and take away their clients..

The sanctions of Americans DO WORK ,contrary to what any fanboy says.. Their job is to slow
down the Russian economy. .and they have done a very good job.. Russian profits are way smaller now with sanctions ,than without them..   Russia have lost more than $300 billions dollars since US sanctions in 2014 and had to reduce the funding of many nation important programs..
They wanted to crush completely Russian economy. which  they failed.. but still it slow the speed
of Russia economy..and more important.. Americans can continue increasing the pressure forever
because Putin SUCKS .. he don't fight back.

How Putin counters Americans?
1)with Politeness Bullshit..
2)With healthy food
3)With showing how powerfuLLLL their nukes are..
4)With Olympics bullshit..
5) and by promoting the end of using dollar.. something that China don't do , for real
since CHina economy depends on US.  
6)Oh wait he also counters Americans with BRICS     the biggest failure ever..
7)with Orthodox church..  
8)and cheap gass.. for Europe..    

So there is something Seriously wrong with Putin.. as if he had brain disabilities... a moron..

China in the other hand  IS  countering the American system...More ambitious in space
and countering Americans most popular and influential business.

Huawei has surpassed Apple as the world’s second largest smartphone brand


https://www.theverge.com/2017/9/6/16259810/huawei-apple-global-smartphone-sales

So this DIRECTLY damages Americans economy.. understand . .THIS IS HOW YOU FIGHT.
if someone targets your economy.. target back theirs.. SO SIMPLE..  Damage your enemy influence
to disband their alliances and economy.. Putin what he does is an embarrassment to Russia and to the world.. and is sad because is a big waste of time ,of the potential Russia have...

There are no less than 3 Roscoscosmos employees ,that have been openly
voicing major outrage at Putin mediocre development of Russia space program..
2 cosmonauts resigned for lack of progress of Russia space program and Rogozing also in an RT interview complained of the incredibly small budget he have for Russia space program.. and how
unfair it is for Russia the low budget.. in space.. is 1/20 the size of American one..
While US increase their budget in space, to continue influencing the world ,as the LEADER..
using their popular advanced business to influence the world into their orbit.. Putin almost
does nothing.    What needs to be smashed in half is his head with a big stick ,for being so fool so moron.. is a criminal what he is doing.. not fighting US business leadership in the world..  Because as i said.. If Russia was countering America top most popular
advances business..  ie.. NASA space explorations , US semiconductor industry , US entertainment industry.. incredibly popular in the world , US internet.. then none of this sanctions will work..
and not even NATO exist , if nations realize..  that they don't need Americans Business for anything
that Russia business are better..  But as long the MORON Putin stay as President ,he will totally miss
the boat.. is not so much about Money ,what Russia needs to do..  but about being seen Russia
as a LEADER of the planet development and offer an alternative to the world ,to US business.
if CHINA ,South Korea, Japan can compete with Americans top business. why the fuck Putin don't do the same ???  it is because he have his mentality in soviet era.. and wants to promote an outdated
vision of Russia.. developing MOST of Russia economy , in the same way third world nations do it..
that is an Economy based on FOOD ,mining and oil..  


There are even wars being fought by NATO in the world.(Syria ,IRAQ and Venezuela) all for sabotage of  Russia economy that benefits from energy sales..  the west counters Russia economy. and putin DONT COunter the west.. Putin is totally complete retard. US sanctions are only Possible ,only
because Americans have leadership and influence and Russia don't offer any alternative to it.
He is very outdated and he should just step down and put get as president someone with a real vision. of Leadership in the world for Russia.. much more than just being a taxi to the ISS..
Privatize SPorts ,stay away of that distraction and invest in where it matters.. in science and
technology.. privatize Energy business ,sell it to Germany and France and Russia should focus
100% of its energies in a space total domination and leadership and in a High tech business
aimed to counter top high tech companies of US.. including internet..and promote the counter
of US digital /electronic entertainment industry too. this will make Russia culture modern.. not
outdated.. Even Rogozing could be a far better President for Russia than Putin.. at least he wants to beat Americans in space.. putin in the other hand the only think he cares  is his stupid hockey ,judo
and stupid sports.. and gas sales..

Russia is being criminally limited his potential by Putin lack of vision for future.. Putin all he
does is Survive..But Russians wants much more than surviving.. they want a nation proof
of Sanctions and with major alliance with Europe.. and only way to do that is with Business Lead.
.

USA is acting like a pesky virus that simply wont go away. It seems Russia’s localization drive isn’t going to be enough to weather this latest US & Nato onslaught, Russia will also have to do its own economic offensive to cause damage to America’s own economy. You can’t stop a bully just by absorbing his attacks, Russia needs to HIT BACK HARD and give US a bloody nose, this will make them muricans think harder twice next time they impose additional sanctions.

Proposed US sanctions target Russia’s sovereign debt, banks, shipbuilding & LNG projects

https://www.rt.com/business/452642-us-sanctions-russia-debt-energy/



Kremlin sees no risks for Russian banking system from new US sanctions


http://tass.com/economy/1046838

Income bars: Bank of Russia earned billions on gold

https://ria.ru/20190228/1551429081.html

Nibiru wrote:USA is acting like a pesky virus that simply wont go away. It seems Russia’s localization drive isn’t going to be enough to weather this latest US & Nato onslaught, Russia will also have to do its own economic offensive to cause damage to America’s own economy. You can’t stop a bully just by absorbing his attacks, Russia needs to HIT BACK HARD and give US a bloody nose, this will make them muricans think harder twice next time they impose additional sanctions.

Proposed US sanctions target Russia’s sovereign debt, banks, shipbuilding & LNG projects

https://www.rt.com/business/452642-us-sanctions-russia-debt-energy/

Time to take the gloves off and sanction the USA and its minions. Restrict all access to Russian resources.
Stop all scientific collaboration (aside from regular journal publication activity). This includes sharing
various observational data. Ban US and related banking activity in Russia. Impose an overflight fee for
US based airlines. Stop all transhipment of US controlled goods through Russian territory. Stop all fossil
fuel extraction participation by NATO companies (Russia does not need their 40 year old "high tech"). Ban
food imports from the USA.

And most important, ban all NATO investors from accessing the Russian market. Russia does not need these parasites
and their mystical "stimulus".

Nibiru wrote:USA is acting like a pesky virus that simply wont go away. It seems Russia’s localization drive isn’t going to be enough to weather this latest US & Nato onslaught, Russia will also have to do its own economic offensive to cause damage to America’s own economy. You can’t stop a bully just by absorbing his attacks, Russia needs to HIT BACK HARD and give US a bloody nose, this will make them muricans think harder twice next time they impose additional sanctions.

Proposed US sanctions target Russia’s sovereign debt, banks, shipbuilding & LNG projects

https://www.rt.com/business/452642-us-sanctions-russia-debt-energy/



Kremlin sees no risks for Russian banking system from new US sanctions


http://tass.com/economy/1046838

May I ask where you got the "It seems Russias localization drive isn't going to be enough to weather this latest US & NATO onslaught"?

read the document.

Nothing in this will change a single thing.  They are re-wording everything they already pushed before.  It was already illegal to invest in Russian gas and energy projects at home or abroad.  This is EXACTLY THE SAME THING. Sanctions against shipbuilding industry is probably the biggest joke of them all. Russia is one of the few nations that build ice breakers, so that means now west is limited and cant buy them from Russia. Add to that, west never did invest in shipbuilding from Russia at all. It prevents others from investing in it but others already invested in it by ignoring sanctions and using domestic currencies. Nations who also purchase Russian ships are not exactly friendly to the US either or are not falling for sanctions anyway.

kvs wrote:

Nibiru wrote:USA is acting like a pesky virus that simply wont go away. It seems Russia’s localization drive isn’t going to be enough to weather this latest US & Nato onslaught, Russia will also have to do its own economic offensive to cause damage to America’s own economy. You can’t stop a bully just by absorbing his attacks, Russia needs to HIT BACK HARD and give US a bloody nose, this will make them muricans think harder twice next time they impose additional sanctions.

Proposed US sanctions target Russia’s sovereign debt, banks, shipbuilding & LNG projects

https://www.rt.com/business/452642-us-sanctions-russia-debt-energy/

Time to take the gloves off and sanction the USA and its minions.   Restrict all access to Russian resources.
Stop all scientific collaboration (aside from regular journal publication activity).   This includes sharing
various observational data.   Ban US and related banking activity in Russia.   Impose an overflight fee for
US based airlines.   Stop all transhipment of US controlled goods through Russian territory.  Stop all fossil
fuel extraction participation by NATO companies (Russia does not need their 40 year old "high tech").  Ban
food imports from the USA.  

And most important, ban all NATO investors from accessing the Russian market.  Russia does not need these parasites
and their mystical "stimulus".  

I say just syphon more from them.  Still do business with them but charge them much much more than one from a friendly state.  And demand not Dollars or Euro's but Rubles and Yuans.

Also read the part how they will investigate Putin's worth/wealth

It's hilarious. Most of these senators are millionaire or more, and most of them probably in Panama papers yet Putin was not. Lol

I´m sure in some time the west will tell us that the panama papers were in fact a russian operation.

Austin wrote:Seems like Russian official now admit CAATSA will impede defence growth

Borisov called the reason for the slowdown in the growth of exports of Russian weapons

https://vpk.name/news/253316_borisov_nazval_prichinu_zamedleniya_rosta_eksporta_rossiiskogo_vooruzheniya.html?new#new

BIG STONE (Primorsky Krai)........

"It is clear that as the necessary level of rearmament of the army is achieved, the volume of state defense orders will decline. At the same time, a significant increase in the export of military products is not expected, especially under conditions of increasing sanctions pressure on both the Russian Federation and our foreign partners," he said.

This is solved by ordering more latest stuff for the military, USA-style

Everything gets to be fresh, instead keeping Su-27 around replace them with Su-30 or Su-57, sell old stuff with heavy discount and see if they can say no to that offer

This is non issue

Also, Big Stone

@MikeTT

I can be first revealing Putin's wealth: hearts and minds of 140 millions of Russian and many millions broad. Badnews for US war-morons, you cannot confiscate it.


fuck WTO?

Buyers of Russian cars will again be able to use state subsidies

https://tass.ru/ekonomika/6166867

Central Bank reported a 23.8% increase in the mortgage portfolio in Russia

MOSCOW, February 28. / TASS /. As of February 1, 2019, the total debt on housing mortgage loans (MLCA) in the Russian Federation reached 6.5 trillion rubles, increasing by 23.8% compared to the same date of the previous year. This is evidenced by data published on the website of the Bank of Russia.

https://tass.ru/nedvizhimost/6172056

May I ask where you got the "It seems Russias localization drive isn't going to be enough to weather this latest US & NATO onslaught"?

Russian efforts for localization is mostly defensive in nature, its meant to lessen the effects of sanctions while at the same time add growth to the Russian economy in specific areas. What I am suggesting is an ‘Offensive’ move to cripple or at least damage to some extent the American economy just like what they are doing to Russia. If Russia could manage to slash about 2% of American economic growth then that would be a great payback. It will also make American decision makers think twice before deciding to impose more sanctions against Russia if they know that Russia can hit them back too with great economic pains. At present Russia is simply absorbing all the hits, while they are making steps to make their economy resilient to sanctions, not going on the Offensive against the American economy will NOT make them go away.

Nibiru wrote:USA is acting like a pesky virus that simply wont go away. It seems Russia’s localization drive isn’t going to be enough to weather this latest US & Nato onslaught, Russia will also have to do its own economic offensive to cause damage to America’s own economy. You can’t stop a bully just by absorbing his attacks, Russia needs to HIT BACK HARD and give US a bloody nose, this will make them muricans think harder twice next time they impose additional sanctions.

Proposed US sanctions target Russia’s sovereign debt, banks, shipbuilding & LNG projects

https://www.rt.com/business/452642-us-sanctions-russia-debt-energy/



Kremlin sees no risks for Russian banking system from new US sanctions


http://tass.com/economy/1046838

Indeed , Im dismayed , amazed at Putin incompetence.. is frustrating his lack of strategy...
Is hard to believe how passive he is .. is like a nightmare but that is real. If i was an evil
person , i will be doing the same thing that Americans do.. Target Russia economy+target Russian allies.. scare every nation away of Russian orbit , regime change policies , Isolate Russia from the world or from the west at least.

Because Americans are not affected in any way ,shape or form , by their attacks on Russia
economy ,they can continue doing this F O R E V E R!!!!!!! and American sanctions are working
anyone who says they are not are a fucking idiot... if they slow Russia economy.. then is working
, is not as lethal as they hoped ,but still it does the job.. Russia will not be able to survive this sanctions if they continue creating Syrian and venezuelan conflicts , in countries allied to Russia
and they will be forced to help.. with loans and free food.

So putin strategy is completely retarded..is like treason. Turn the other cheek when someone punch your face and he will punch his face again and again and again.

I don't hate America or Russia.. Neither HATE Putin .. because he is at least Patriotic..
but this is not enough.. Patriotism is not enough... You need a REAL strategy to counter enemies.
and BRICS ? Or Russia and IRAN and Venezuela ending the use of dollars , when their trade
with them represent how much? .01% of American economy..

Americans sanctions are like a Cancer and Russia is the patient ..
When you have cancer ,it needs to be removed ,period..and those who cause cancer
removed too.. from the world.. But Russia will never end the American Cancer Empire
by ignoring it.. which is what Putin do , by not countering American leadership and influence
in the world..

Because Americans have a enormous world influence with their very popular BUSINESS and BIG ECONOMY i mean is there is a business more popular than Internet?
More popular than space exploration? More popular than American entertainment industry ?
And since Russia is not countering western business massive influence with their own , then they can do this forever , continue sabotaging Russia economy with sanctions , with civil unrest financed ,with terrorism , or by attacking allies.

So Putin need to stop being Putin or resign if he can change.. he can't continue being a stupid idiot , he needs to change his tactics. and i don't think starting a world war 3 is the best way , what im proposing is the IMBECILE either Resign and put someone with Vision in charge of Russia economic development or that He completely change his strategy a 180 degree turn.. and look what China is doing..

Damaging Apple sales.. they have an alternative to AMAZON (alibaba) and is challenging Now
not in 10 years. right now China is stealing the thunder of NASA with their dark side of Moon space program. Japan making headlines in space.. Europe too , Even Israel understand how important is space and have a mission to the moon. Where is Russia headlines in space explorations?
Now American and European digital entertainment industry is offloading their assets to CHINA
because is more CHEAP and China is producing high quality job... China is the leader today in 3d printing business.. in terms of price/quality ratio is the best..almost all small business in America and Europe depends on CHINA 3d printing business.. wow!!!

And most 3d assets in digital games produced in China.. this create lots of jobs in china..

Trump who represent US elites ,have to sit down with CHINA and negotiate with them ,because China business indeed is damaging already American very popular business ..
THIS IS HOW YOU FIGHT..

If Russia was right now was lading with humans in mars ,not in 10 years but now ,then you will see the entire Planet amazed, watching live the event.. everyone celebrating a REAL world achievement .. and all western companies fighting for cooperation with Russia in space.. and so Americans siege on Russia will end. Because they will look like IDIOTS , and washington DC completely isolated from the world if try to sanction any cooperation with Russia in something even their own citizens love and like..This is where Russia needs to really look to win.. in space not in sports distractions.. or agriculture records. This is how you make Leadership.. by becoming the Leader in the world development.. Putin don't understand how important is Leadership and Influence.. Even McAIN told it.. Russia is a gas station told McAin..with nukes.. he does not means that this is the only business Russia have. He means that Russian gas is the only business they have that influence for real
the world most developed economies. Russia will earn respect .when start to LEAD in world development with real innovative advanced and business.

My only hope is that Putin resign and find someone else ,younger with vision
with real ambitions. and understand that needs to counter the popularity of US business..
and take the leadership away from US .. this is how they will be forced to negotiate with Russia
if they see ,their POPULAR Business and leadership in danger , they will negotiate. I dont think
Americans can't beat China with sanctions... as they will do with Russia. They will need to provoke
a war between India and CHINA in order to slow down China. but will not be easy.. they aware of their plans..

not in sports distractions.. or agriculture records.

Hosting sports events have their positives too, like exposing more foreigners to the REAL Russia, investments in infrastructure and overall good PR.
Agriculture too contributes to the economy and secures the country from being starved by NATO and incite the hungry public to riot. Russia doesn’t need to cut back on these, they just need to do more efforts in the Space industry.
Also suggesting that Putin should resign is too extreme and politically destabilizing. Why does he need to resign when he can just adjust his priorities for national development? Besides Putin will probably step down after 2024 and by that time the siloviki should have someone better suited to take the country’s leadership.

Nibiru wrote:

not in sports distractions.. or agriculture records.

Hosting sports events have their positives too, like exposing more foreigners to the REAL Russia, investments in infrastructure and overall good PR.
Agriculture too contributes to the economy and secures the country from being starved by NATO and incite the hungry public to riot. Russia doesn’t need to cut back on these, they just need to do more efforts in the Space industry.
Also suggesting that Putin should resign is too extreme and politically destabilizing. Why does he need to resign when he can just adjust his priorities for national development? Besides Putin will probably step down after 2024 and by that time the siloviki should have someone better suited to take the country’s leadership.

Just ignore him

Olympics turned Sochi from dilapidated backwater into economic powerhouse

And don't get me started on agriculture, for the first time in it's history Russia achieved full food security and self-sufficiency

USSR managed to get itself stuck with food shortage in peacetime FFS, they had to buy wheat from their sworn enemies

And people wonder why population ditched communism at first opportunity and burned the whole concept of that country to the ground

kvs wrote:Time to take the gloves off and sanction the USA and its minions.   Restrict all access to Russian resources.
Stop all scientific collaboration (aside from regular journal publication activity).   This includes sharing
various observational data.   Ban US and related banking activity in Russia.   Impose an overflight fee for
US based airlines.   Stop all transhipment of US controlled goods through Russian territory.  Stop all fossil
fuel extraction participation by NATO companies (Russia does not need their 40 year old "high tech").  Ban
food imports from the USA.  

And most important, ban all NATO investors from accessing the Russian market.  Russia does not need these parasites
and their mystical "stimulus".  

Nothing of what you said , will do much difference.. Nothing of what you say will end the sanctions on Russia..and the cold war..at best will delay NASA taxi to ISS for months ..or a year.. since they have an Alternative to Russia Soyuz... Russia business thanks to Putin ,don't have the capabilities to damage for real American economy.  This is because the moron focus Russian economy in things ,that Dont compete directly with American business .

Neither Rosatom or Gazprom competes with American present economy ,at best it only blocks
Americans from expanding their energy business in Europe. but neither one damage US economy today.. why is that? because nobody in their right mind will welcome a nuclear reactor from
Americans.. knowing  the nuclear reactor can be used to blackmail the nation security .
Gazprom don't compete either directly with Americans today economy  since US don't export energy to europe.. almost nothing..

As i said Putin is an idiot.. and is not now when Russia had to take gloves off.. but when he came to power in 2000... after seeing how NATO began to expand to Russia borders and bombed Yugoeslavia and financed terror groups in chechenia..all 80s and 90s events.. it should have been
clear for Putin ,that Americans elite will never stop until see Russia destroyed. and if he wanted
Russia to exist should not allow them to continue attracting nations to their system and create a new one influencing the world with alternative modern business and a new system ,that includes new internet and new banking system. With China help ,he could have done that.

All Putin does is Passive deterrence and completely foolish things.. lets build modern nukes..modern missiles, maybe that way they will want to be our friends? lets host olympics to promote friendship ?    

Russia needs to do what China is doing.. offering real alternatives to American most influential
and popular business.. as they doing to apple.   Russia needs a new Space race as ambitious if not better than soviet one.. OR /AND  an IT/modern electronic/Semiconductors/Robotics revolution that counters Americans most popular business.  and create an alternative to US internet..
OR/ and Counter US entertainment industry ,from Hollywood ,to Music industry to gaming industry..This creates a LOT of influence ,and there is a lot of money too ..  If Russia can do any of that or all of it.. it will damage seriously US economy ,their influence and their leadership..  Intel,Apple,NASA,Nvidia ,Xbox ,Hollywood ,Microsoft ,US gaming industry,DELL  , this are the companies to defeat.. if Russia wants to end to earn respect from the west and attract nations away of US orbit..  If Putin had any brains.. it will talk to Japan and produce the processor for next playstation 5.. and do with Japan the next console.. that will allow Russia to bypass any sanction
since you can sensor a gaming console like a playstation 4 or 5 without a world wide revolution.     or talk to China or India or both and produce an alternative to American Microsoft windows.
but he is fucking moron. who don't understand what the hell he is doing.. and why he and Russia is disrespected so much.. What does Russia sale? is what i hear all the time from people who say
America is better..  and they are right..  what does Russia sale that American needs? NOTHING..
and this is really bad..

 Russia needs to promote an Economy based on Science ,Space and technology and digital entertainment.  and not one based in commodities , and oil sales..  Goverment should help with money and promote Business aimed to end American System . to drive away Europe from American orbit /business influence.. because this will disband NATO , and make Russia safe and respected again.

Olympics turned Sochi from dilapidated backwater into economic powerhouse

Russia don't fight Americans by only increasing its Economy .. they need to STOP AMERICANS
from their attacks.. by creating a new system ,and alternative to the American world.. If you lead a country ,Will you abandon the American business ,American internet for Sochi ? of course you will not.. then shut the F up.. Now if Some nation offers you an alternative system to the American world , with better business thats different.. IS LEADERSHIP what Russia needs.. and not money
to defeat Americans.. Is not a bigger economy than what they already have ,what Russia needs..
but to create a system that replace the leadership of americans popular business. Sochi don't give Russia leadership.. a mars manned landing will GIVE Russia leadership and make history.. and humiliate for real the western system ,who try to advertise every day , that the world needs to follow
their leadership.. their system. their business.

Vann's post tl:dr version:

Putin moron
Putin stap supporting sports and aggriculture
Russia need to counter West hegemony with Leadership in space and buzinezz



this applies to roughly 95% of all of Vann's posts

Tingsay wrote:Vann's post tl:dr version:

Putin moron
Putin stap supporting sports and aggriculture
Russia need to counter West hegemony with Leadership in space and buzinezz



this applies to roughly 95% of all of Vann's posts

meh 100%

Nibiru wrote:

May I ask where you got the "It seems Russias localization drive isn't going to be enough to weather this latest US & NATO onslaught"?

Russian efforts for localization is mostly defensive in nature, its meant to lessen the effects of sanctions while at the same time add growth to the Russian economy in specific areas. What I am suggesting is an ‘Offensive’ move to cripple or at least damage to some extent the American economy just like what they are doing to Russia. If Russia could manage to slash about 2% of American economic growth then that would be a great payback. It will also make American decision makers think twice before deciding to impose more sanctions against Russia if they know that Russia can hit them back too with great economic pains. At present Russia is simply absorbing all the hits, while they are making steps to make their economy resilient to sanctions, not going on the Offensive against the American economy will NOT make them go away.

That's fine and dandy to a certain point. Business confidence is a strong suite and Russia shouldn't burn it's bridges in that field. Let US government burn their bridges instead. Russia is doing fine with sanctions and to be honest, what the US does reflects badly on them and forces Russia's businesses to look elsewhere which they are doing. Business ties between Russia and the US is already low anyway so Russia cannot do much to hurt them anyway besides forcing US buyers/sellers to use other currencies than USD, and charging them more for titanium and other resources. That will bite hard.

Russians are also tired of not really biting back from their government, but they also understand the reason of not jumping to things too quickly either.

miketheterrible wrote:

That's fine and dandy to a certain point. Business confidence is a strong suite and Russia shouldn't burn it's bridges in that field. Let US government burn their bridges instead. Russia is doing fine with sanctions and to be honest, what the US does reflects badly on them and forces Russia's businesses to look elsewhere which they are doing.

Is doing well not because of closing economy but increasing export., on different markets then before though. Closed economy is US wet dream

MTT wrote: Business ties between Russia and the US is already low anyway so Russia cannot do much to hurt them anyway besides forcing US buyers/sellers to use other currencies than USD, and charging them more for titanium and other resources. That will bite hard.

Russia still needs $ to pay corporate/state debts




[quot="MTT"] Russians are also tired of not really biting back from their government, but they also understand the reason of not jumping to things too quickly either.[/quote]


There's no better hotting back then own development.

GarryB wrote:Russia needs to use sanctions intelligently... they don't need to counter them like for like... these sanctions are unwarranted and illegal according to international agreements, so if the US sanctions the Russian oil industry... Russia should exempt Russian companies from observing copyright law on US products for the same time period.

then you loose other non US markets

GB wrote:
Russia and the US don't do enough trade for any sanctions Russia could impose on the US to make any difference... other than punish any Russians who keep their money or assets in the US... which hurts the west more than it hurts Russia to be honest.

Agreed

GB wrote:The gloves need to come off... 50% tarrifs on Titanium exports either directly or indirectly to the US...

then you loose lots of taxes, hi-tech exports , work places and market share

GB wrote:and hammer countries that bypass these Russian laws...

like?

GB wrote: Accept food from Belarus, but only with confirmation it really came from there or where they claim it comes from. Otherwise burn it at the border.

that's exactly what Russians are doing

GB wrote:

Russia still needs $ to pay corporate/state debts

Russia should formally ban the use of US dollars on its territory or by its citizens... that stuff is toxic.

next day you have $ = 150 Rubles, economy stops growing current rate or even decline,People would buy it like crazy keeping saving under bed. instead of keeping money in Rubles in Russian banks .

US go is then reached. Congratulations you've just helped US to achieve their goals.

Best option is building own economy. Letting people earn $ or € or Reminbi or Ruble. Doesn't matter as long as they are earning. Building parallel non-$ world by gradually switching own exports to non-$. But only in economically viable way.

+ of course all money stuff like financial instruments or SWIFT alternative



By no means cut scientific ties. Unless you want to have bckwrd country with best scientists emigrated.