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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 24, 2021 1:49 pm

    Terrible clunky narration... I eventually turned off the sound but the images and views and details are excellent

    The KA-52K...



    Note it mentions in this video that the flight speed of Ataka is 550m/s... the Vikhr missile 610m/s... both being laser beam riding models in this case though earlier Ataka models were command guided the new models are laser beam riding because it is so cheap and accurate.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Jun 17, 2021 2:24 am

    Russian Helicopters details Ka-52K shipborne rotorcraft
    https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/russian-helicopters-details-ka-52k-shipborne-rotorcraft
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    Post  Kiko Thu Jun 17, 2021 7:02 pm

    The new Be-200PS search and rescue aircraft for the Russian Navy made its first flight.

    From the factory airfield of PJSC "TANTK im. G.M. Beriev "(part of PJSC UAC) took off another serial Be-200PS amphibious search and rescue aircraft (tail number RF-88457/23). The Be-200PS aircraft taken off became the third board under this contract with the Ministry defense, and at the same time the second built Be-200 in search and rescue performance Be-200PS.

    It is planned that after passing the program of bearer and acceptance tests, the Be-200PS will be handed over to the customer for operation as part of the naval aviation of the Russian Navy.

    https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/141945/

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    Post  Kiko Mon Jul 26, 2021 1:45 am

    Russia Starts Developing New Fifth-Generation Carrier-Based Fighter, Source Says. 25.07.2021.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG" (Mikoyan) has started to develop a fifth-generation carrier-based fighter and plans to create a prototype aircraft in the next few years, a source in the military-industrial complex told Sputnik.

    "The company is working on a promising 5th generation carrier-based fighter, which will be made using stealth technologies. The stage of computer modeling is now underway, the first prototypes are planned to be released in the next few years," the source said.

    He added that developers are considering the possibility of creating a version of the fighter with vertical take-off and landing. It is expected that the new aircraft will be made in the dimensions of the MiG-35. It will also include a companion drone that will perform the functions of either refueling or joint strikes.

    This comes as Russia has just presented the prototype of new single-engine fighter Checkmate, developed by Sukhoi designer bureau (part of Rostec).

    According to the Rostec head, the aircraft has low visibility, high flight performance and is equipped with advanced avionics. The Checkmate also boasts the most spacious internal weapon bays in its class and is highly customizable. The fighter can carry up to five air-to-air missiles of various ranges and other aviation weapons in an inconspicuous configuration. It can further be used as base for an unmanned aerial vehicle with similar characteristics.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/202107251083461092-russia-starts-developing-new-fifth-generation-carrier-based-fighter-source-says/

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jul 26, 2021 2:10 am

    Kiko wrote:Russia Starts Developing New Fifth-Generation Carrier-Based Fighter, Source Says. 25.07.2021.

    MOSCOW (Sputnik) - Russian Aircraft Corporation "MiG" (Mikoyan) has started to develop a fifth-generation carrier-based fighter and plans to create a prototype aircraft in the next few years, a source in the military-industrial complex told Sputnik.

    "The company is working on a promising 5th generation carrier-based fighter, which will be made using stealth technologies. The stage of computer modeling is now underway, the first prototypes are planned to be released in the next few years," the source said.

    He added that developers are considering the possibility of creating a version of the fighter with vertical take-off and landing. It is expected that the new aircraft will be made in the dimensions of the MiG-35. It will also include a companion drone that will perform the functions of either refueling or joint strikes.

    This comes as Russia has just presented the prototype of new single-engine fighter Checkmate, developed by Sukhoi designer bureau (part of Rostec).

    According to the Rostec head, the aircraft has low visibility, high flight performance and is equipped with advanced avionics. The Checkmate also boasts the most spacious internal weapon bays in its class and is highly customizable. The fighter can carry up to five air-to-air missiles of various ranges and other aviation weapons in an inconspicuous configuration. It can further be used as base for an unmanned aerial vehicle with similar characteristics.

    https://sputniknews.com/military/202107251083461092-russia-starts-developing-new-fifth-generation-carrier-based-fighter-source-says/

    That navalized, stealthalized MiG-1.44 we saw a model of at MAKS?

    And MiG of course chose the smallest niche they possibly could. A carrier-based fighter. For a navy that doesn't actually have a single carrier operational at the moment.
    Or are they hoping for an Indian order?

    Anyway best of luck to them. The main thing is to actually come up with something and be able to demonstrate it. If it has intrinsic worth and isn't just a rehash of an old concept with half its components from decades prior, then a place will be found for it one way or the other.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 26, 2021 3:46 am


    They are throwing shit on the wall hoping that something sticks but Sukhoi just took away their wall permanently

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:15 am

    Na, I wouldn't say they're out of the game yet

    But they really ought come up with something good
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    Post  Broski Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:29 am

    flamming_python wrote:Na, I wouldn't say they're out of the game yet

    But they really ought come up with something good
    Best thing they could do is finish up their work with the MiG-35 (India will buy them when their Tejas program collapses, lol) and successfully develop the MiG-41, the Russian government will certainly keep them alive as a design bureau but they'll have to fight to stay relevant.
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:34 am

    flamming_python wrote:Na, I wouldn't say they're out of the game yet

    But they really ought come up with something good

    That something better be MiG-41 because that one is supposed to be produced in above boutique numbers

    If Navy ever needs brand new carrier jet they will just do intelligent thing and tell Sukhoi to navalize LTS

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:37 am

    Broski wrote:
    flamming_python wrote:Na, I wouldn't say they're out of the game yet

    But they really ought come up with something good
    Best thing they could do is finish up their work with the MiG-35 (India will buy them when their Tejas program collapses, lol) and successfully develop the MiG-41, the Russian government will certainly keep them alive as a design bureau but they'll have to fight to stay relevant.

    Of the models they presented, they could have gone with either the light fighter, or the UAV

    I get why they're announcing work on the naval fighter instead. The other two one have already been occupied by Sukhoi

    But it's just. A carrier-based fighter? Really? And this little niche is worth creating a whole new airframe for?
    Dunno. Just dunno.

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    Post  hoom Mon Jul 26, 2021 8:49 am

    That navalized, stealthalized MiG-1.44 we saw a model of at MAKS?
    Hopefully not, that was lame AF
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    Post  GarryB Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:18 pm

    So the Serbian advises surrender and learn to drive taxis in Moscow...

    Noted.

    But MiG want to make planes, so this is what they do.

    BTW throwing shit at walls is what you are doing.

    Best thing they could do is finish up their work with the MiG-35 (India will buy them when their Tejas program collapses, lol) and successfully develop the MiG-41, the Russian government will certainly keep them alive as a design bureau but they'll have to fight to stay relevant.

    Interesting that they are being so easily dismissed... Sukhoi mojo mucho strongo... maybe they are secretly Americans... they are promising the sky to destroy competition so when it comes time to deliver there is no alternative option but the F-35...

    If Navy ever needs brand new carrier jet they will just do intelligent thing and tell Sukhoi to navalize LTS

    Their Navy wont go for a single engined fighter... only countries that live to regret it do that... F-35...

    Of the models they presented, they could have gone with either the light fighter, or the UAV

    I rather suspect their plan is to go with all three and let their customers decide...

    The other two one have already been occupied by Sukhoi

    Super Sukhoi marketing, you have already written off MiG because Sukhoi has displayed a prototype.

    The fact that the Russian AF are buying MiG-35s suggests MiG do know what they are doing and that at the moment the only light fighter the Russians are going ahead with is a MiG, but you guys say MiG should give up.

    Because the LTS looks shiny and pretty and you want it?

    That is not how things work.

    Hopefully not, that was lame AF

    I am very impressed you can deduce the worth of an aircraft by looking at a pre development mockup model... that is just amazing.

    The whole point of a single engined fighter it seems according to LMFS (the member, not the fighter project) was that a smaller lighter fighter will have better acceleration and manouver performance and just out turn and beat everything at close range in a knife fight...

    Well the LTS looks a bit slimmer than an F-35 but I want to see proof it could beat a MiG-35 in a dogfight before declaring success because I just don't see it...

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 26, 2021 12:26 pm


    I just mentioned navalizing Sukhoi LTS so let's go over it in hypothetical scenario of deploying it on Kuznetzov (yuck...):

    - Same range as MiG-29

    - Internal bays that keep surface clean during takeoff

    - Thrust vectored nozzle that greatly eases takeoff

    - Compact size, especially width

    - Brand new aircraft without compromises in sensor department

    - Low observability

    Long story short, 4 gen aircraft will soon have no place on Kuznetzov, Navy is about to score



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    Post  Backman Mon Jul 26, 2021 5:28 pm

    Anything that detracts from making the su 57 navalized does not have my support. The su 57 is the same height as the Mig 29 and shorter and lighter than the su 33. The su 57 is a natural for a carrier 

    Anything based on the Mig 1.44 is too big
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Jul 26, 2021 10:01 pm

    Backman wrote:Anything that detracts from making the su 57 navalized does not have my support. The su 57 is the same height as the Mig 29 and shorter and lighter than the su 33. The su 57 is a natural for a carrier 

    Anything based on the Mig 1.44 is too big
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    Su-57s have better stuff to do than to sit around as deck decorations

    They have 33s and 29s, if they really get a new plane boner down the road there's LTS for that

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    Post  hoom Tue Jul 27, 2021 7:57 am

    The whole point of a single engined fighter it seems according to LMFS (the member, not the fighter project) was that a smaller lighter fighter will have better acceleration and manouver performance and just out turn and beat everything at close range in a knife fight...
    Not talking about any single engine thing, this was presented by MiG as 'new' naval fighter
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    Its clearly based off MiG 1.44 minimally tarted up with some 'stealth' angles.
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    Post  GarryB Tue Jul 27, 2021 12:19 pm

    - Same range as MiG-29

    So they claim, but lets see what actual performance they get first.

    - Thrust vectored nozzle that greatly eases takeoff

    MiG-29KR can be fitted with 3D TVC nozzles.

    - Compact size, especially width

    To get any benefit of commonality it will actually need to use Su-57s wings which are not compact and do not existing in a folding configuration yet.

    Developing folding wings for both the Su-75 and Su-57 would be a useful thing though.

    - Brand new aircraft without compromises in sensor department

    Meaningless... any sensor you can fit to this new plane you can also fit into existing planes like the Su-33 or MiG-29KR.

    - Low observability

    Not sure that is going to be that critical at sea.

    Long story short, 4 gen aircraft will soon have no place on Kuznetzov, Navy is about to score

    A naval version is quite some way away.

    Anything based on the Mig 1.44 is too big

    What? That does not make sense. The Su-75 is based on the Su-57... is it too big too?

    It has one engine so it needs to be half the weight and drag for the concept to work, but in the same sense this new MiG is a scaled down MiG- 1.44 so it wont be using the same engines as the Su-57 either... it will more likely be using improved Klimovs and they were talking about 12 ton thrust engines... two of those offering 24 tons of thrust for a plane similar in size to a MiG-35... much like the Su-75 will be a similar size but with rather less thrust.

    The new MiG will have rather more installed thrust... a compromise of course that that is what aircraft design is all about.

    Su-57s have better stuff to do than to sit around as deck decorations

    They could operate from shore bases too.

    They have 33s and 29s, if they really get a new plane boner down the road there's LTS for that

    The combination of bigger and smaller aircraft is just as valid for the Navy as it is for the Air Force. Having a couple of big fighters to expand reach and endurance, while also having smaller aircraft to increase total available numbers and reduce operational costs makes sense.

    Its clearly based off MiG 1.44 minimally tarted up with some 'stealth' angles.

    A twin engined Sujkhoi LTS with Canards... yeah it is terrible... Rolling Eyes
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:30 pm

    Well why would it have canards, if its a stealth aircraft?

    Wouldn't it be more stealthy to go for thrust-vectoring?
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jul 27, 2021 2:32 pm

    Looks like a fan song of Mig to me scratch
    They had to show something, so ... used some cardboard&glue on existing models Laughing

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    Post  JohninMK Tue Jul 27, 2021 4:59 pm

    Mig and Su are divisions of the same company, at the level above them will be a co-ordinating group who's objective will be to ensure that there is as little expensive duplication, especially in the various design bureaus, between their divisions as possible. There is currently plenty of work to go round. These are no longer the Soviet days of independent companies competing against each other. What we are seeing is what they want us to see, not what might be going on.

    Or am I wrong?
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    Post  Backman Tue Jul 27, 2021 5:21 pm

    flamming_python wrote:Well why would it have canards, if its a stealth aircraft?

    Wouldn't it be more stealthy to go for thrust-vectoring?
    Big 90 degree canards are stealth when China does it. But clearly nothing beats a planform aligned levcon that is neatly flush with the wing 

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    I'm not one of the Mig bashers. I just don't see how an su 57 can be improved upon for a carrier application.
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    Post  kvs Tue Jul 27, 2021 6:03 pm

    Russia is not letting some phony market decide on what the corporate star chamber wants. Mig is serving its purpose and
    having several designs in play is worthwhile for the technological base of the country. There is no best and only model. There
    are different approaches. The metrics of success I see in these discussions are western marketing tripe.

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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jul 27, 2021 9:41 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Looks like a fan song of Mig to me scratch
    They had to show something, so ... used some cardboard&glue on existing models Laughing

    And they couldn't even get that right
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    Post  ALAMO Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:05 pm

    Maybe they are just targeting the other goals.
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    Post  PapaDragon Tue Jul 27, 2021 10:53 pm

    ALAMO wrote:Maybe they are just targeting the other goals.

    Russian carrier aviation is colossally narrow goal

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