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Ilyushin Unveils Il-38 ASW Upgrade for Russian Navy
by Vladimir Karnozov
- February 7, 2017, 7:36 AM
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2017-02-07/ilyushin-unveils-il-38-asw-upgrade-russian-navy
by Vladimir Karnozov
- February 7, 2017, 7:36 AM
http://www.ainonline.com/aviation-news/defense/2017-02-07/ilyushin-unveils-il-38-asw-upgrade-russian-navy
The Ilyushin design bureau and the Russian navy have revealed details of a mission systems upgrade and airframe refurbishment of the Il-38 antisubmarine warfare (ASW) aircraft. At a ceremony on January 31 at Ramenskoye airbase south of Moscow, Russian naval aviation commander Gen. Igor Kozhin said that “about 30” of the 54 Il-38s in the inventory will be modernized, in a program that will continue until 2025.
Nikolai Stolyarov, director for special aviation programs with United Aircraft Corporation (UAC), said Ilyushin and its sister companies Myasischev and Aircraft Repair Plant No.20 have fulfilled “the second defense ministry order for Il-38Ns” (for five and three aircraft, respectively). He added that these companies continue lifetime-extension and modernization work on other military versions of the baseline Il-18 in service with Russia's Air and Space Force. “This platform has proved itself as very reliable, durable and robust airplane. We hope the Il-38N program would resume…after successful completion of special flight trials that will commence shortly.”
The N version of the Il-38 features the Novella P-38 search and sighting system from St.-Petersburg-based Leninets, which replaces the outdated Berkut-38 on the original Il-38, 65 of which were delivered from 1967 to 1972. The system can track 32 targets simultaneously and has detection range against aircraft of 90 km (50 nm) and sea-going targets of 320 km (173 nm). The Indian Navy was the only export customer, and it still operates five Il-38SD with the Sea Dragon sensor suite, which is an exportable version of the Novella.
With all-up weight of 68 tons, the Il-38 has a crew of seven and a range of 9,500 km (5,126nm). It is broadly similar to the P-3 Orion, which has filled a similar ASW role with the U.S. Navy. According to Ilyushin, the Il-38N is intended for long-endurance anti-submarine patrols over sea, with simultaneous search for aerial and sea-going targets. In addition, the aircraft can set mine fields and perform search-and-rescue and ecological monitoring duties. Its arsenal of torpedoes, mines, depth charges and buoys has been extended though addition of the PL250-120 Zagon anti-submarine guided bombs. Indian Il-38SDs can fire the Kh-35, whereas the Russian navy decided not to equip its aircraft with anti-ship missiles.
The Il-38N that was accepted during the January 31 ceremony (RF-755345) was the eighth to be upgraded. It is the second Il-38N to be delivered to the Russian navy's 859 Center in Yeisk on the Black Sea coast for combat use, flight training and type conversion. Commander Gen. Alexei Serdyuk said his center will use these airplanes to train Pacific and Northern Fleet aircrews. “We will employ them on special trials and working out new tactics,” he added
After the ceremony, Gen. Kozhin told journalists that the Il-38 and Tu-142 will continue the primary ASW types in the Russian inventory. “These are old platforms, but we expect a substantial increase in their capabilities through the renewal of their mission equipment. Other maritime nations will be surprised at the new capabilities these types will demonstrate after modernization,” he declared.
Kozhin described the Il-38 as “the first indigenous ASW aircraft capable of long-duration flights over ocean, and it is still capable of search and annihilation of submarines.” He praised Ilyushin for producing “such a uniquely durable and reliable machine.” It has been operational with the navy for more than 50years with minimal attrition. “Despite its rather serious age, this aircraft is made very capable through yet another modernization program. The President and defense minister have set the goal to bring the share of new and modernized aircraft in the Russian naval aviation inventory up to 70 percent. We are on track with that.”
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At 2:56 is more clearly seen new MFD in Su-33.
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http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5878e8849a794719284dc0f9
Russian MoD decided, that RuNAVY will modernize all remaining Su-33 in their fleet with SVP-24-33 after their excellent results in Syria.
Considering, that SVP display is also radar display, I wonder what changes radar get to be compatible with SVP-24-33
Минобороны России решило оснастить в 2017–2018 годах все принадлежащие ему палубные истребители Су-33 системами СВП-24-33, которые повышают точность применения ракет, авиабомб и боеприпасов к авиационному стрелково-пушечному вооружению. Об этом агентству «Интерфакс» сообщил источник в оборонно-промышленном комплексе.
Russian MoD decided, that RuNAVY will modernize all remaining Su-33 in their fleet with SVP-24-33 after their excellent results in Syria.
Considering, that SVP display is also radar display, I wonder what changes radar get to be compatible with SVP-24-33
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medo wrote:http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5878e8849a794719284dc0f9
Минобороны России решило оснастить в 2017–2018 годах все принадлежащие ему палубные истребители Су-33 системами СВП-24-33, которые повышают точность применения ракет, авиабомб и боеприпасов к авиационному стрелково-пушечному вооружению. Об этом агентству «Интерфакс» сообщил источник в оборонно-промышленном комплексе.
Russian MoD decided, that RuNAVY will modernize all remaining Su-33 in their fleet with SVP-24-33 after their excellent results in Syria.
Considering, that SVP display is also radar display, I wonder what changes radar get to be compatible with SVP-24-33
Good news for around 20 aircraft...
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I rather suspect the Gefest & T upgrade system is designed to work with what ever MFD or HUDs or radars are already fitted to the aircraft.
Needing to replace any of the above would just make things more expensive.
If you think of it as a bombing computer that calculates trajectories and impact points in real time then all it really needs is data about the aircraft it is on (ie altitude, speed, etc) and target information from existing sensors like a targeting pod or onboard radar or IRST... and of course information about the ordinance carried... ie weight and drag.
They might take the opportunity to upgrade other things while they are at it but I doubt it would be essential.
Needing to replace any of the above would just make things more expensive.
If you think of it as a bombing computer that calculates trajectories and impact points in real time then all it really needs is data about the aircraft it is on (ie altitude, speed, etc) and target information from existing sensors like a targeting pod or onboard radar or IRST... and of course information about the ordinance carried... ie weight and drag.
They might take the opportunity to upgrade other things while they are at it but I doubt it would be essential.
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The is a sub-system called Review-РВБ-Т in SVP-24 complex. That is signal processor, used to convert radar signal to become video signal and display on OR4-TM color TV or/and VM-10 LCD or/and any MFD and project on Kai-24P HUD's glassed (through BFI block).medo wrote:http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5878e8849a794719284dc0f9
Минобороны России решило оснастить в 2017–2018 годах все принадлежащие ему палубные истребители Су-33 системами СВП-24-33, которые повышают точность применения ракет, авиабомб и боеприпасов к авиационному стрелково-пушечному вооружению. Об этом агентству «Интерфакс» сообщил источник в оборонно-промышленном комплексе.
Russian MoD decided, that RuNAVY will modernize all remaining Su-33 in their fleet with SVP-24-33 after their excellent results in Syria.
Considering, that SVP display is also radar display, I wonder what changes radar get to be compatible with SVP-24-33
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I don't think all of HUDs can intergrated well with BFI to project data/images on the HUD. There is a rumor that the Gefest & T Su-33s will have new HUD to replace the old ILS-31.GarryB wrote:I rather suspect the Gefest & T upgrade system is designed to work with what ever MFD or HUDs or radars are already fitted to the aircraft.
Needing to replace any of the above would just make things more expensive.
If you think of it as a bombing computer that calculates trajectories and impact points in real time then all it really needs is data about the aircraft it is on (ie altitude, speed, etc) and target information from existing sensors like a targeting pod or onboard radar or IRST... and of course information about the ordinance carried... ie weight and drag.
They might take the opportunity to upgrade other things while they are at it but I doubt it would be essential.
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There is one problem, that old basic radar and fundamental FCS computer is not compatible with any such new thing without upgrade or modernization. KNAAPO, which is a producer of Su-33 could not integrate L-150 Pastel RWR and satellite navigation into FCS computer without upgrade like in Su-27SM modernization package. Gefest didn't modernize any Flanker before, but there were two operational modernization packages. KNAAPO Su-27SM package which is made only in KNAAPO by KNAAPO and Su-30KN package from Irkut, which sold it to Belarus. Both have the same capabilities as SVP-24 inside. Modernization went in Zhukovsky, so I see no reason, why wouldn't Gefest simply buy Su-30KN modernization components from Belarus and build them in Su-33. Don't forget that there was a delay in Angolan Su-30KN upgrades.
I still think, they have bought upgraded FCS computer to install this SVP-24 capabilities and to install SATNAV and new data link, which are basic items for SVP-24 to work. Maybe they also integrate L-150 Pastel in it and could Su-33 now use Kh-31P anti-radar missiles.
I still think, they have bought upgraded FCS computer to install this SVP-24 capabilities and to install SATNAV and new data link, which are basic items for SVP-24 to work. Maybe they also integrate L-150 Pastel in it and could Su-33 now use Kh-31P anti-radar missiles.
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franco wrote:medo wrote:http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5878e8849a794719284dc0f9
Минобороны России решило оснастить в 2017–2018 годах все принадлежащие ему палубные истребители Су-33 системами СВП-24-33, которые повышают точность применения ракет, авиабомб и боеприпасов к авиационному стрелково-пушечному вооружению. Об этом агентству «Интерфакс» сообщил источник в оборонно-промышленном комплексе.
Russian MoD decided, that RuNAVY will modernize all remaining Su-33 in their fleet with SVP-24-33 after their excellent results in Syria.
Considering, that SVP display is also radar display, I wonder what changes radar get to be compatible with SVP-24-33
Good news for around 20 aircraft...
I agree. The SU-33 has a future.
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eehnie wrote:franco wrote:medo wrote:http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5878e8849a794719284dc0f9
Минобороны России решило оснастить в 2017–2018 годах все принадлежащие ему палубные истребители Су-33 системами СВП-24-33, которые повышают точность применения ракет, авиабомб и боеприпасов к авиационному стрелково-пушечному вооружению. Об этом агентству «Интерфакс» сообщил источник в оборонно-промышленном комплексе.
Russian MoD decided, that RuNAVY will modernize all remaining Su-33 in their fleet with SVP-24-33 after their excellent results in Syria.
Considering, that SVP display is also radar display, I wonder what changes radar get to be compatible with SVP-24-33
Good news for around 20 aircraft...
I agree. The SU-33 has a future.
Future which is projected to be no longer than 8 years after overhaul.
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Gefest & T complexes do nothing with aircraft's FCS computer.medo wrote:There is one problem, that old basic radar and fundamental FCS computer is not compatible with any such new thing without upgrade or modernization. KNAAPO, which is a producer of Su-33 could not integrate L-150 Pastel RWR and satellite navigation into FCS computer without upgrade like in Su-27SM modernization package. Gefest didn't modernize any Flanker before, but there were two operational modernization packages. KNAAPO Su-27SM package which is made only in KNAAPO by KNAAPO and Su-30KN package from Irkut, which sold it to Belarus. Both have the same capabilities as SVP-24 inside. Modernization went in Zhukovsky, so I see no reason, why wouldn't Gefest simply buy Su-30KN modernization components from Belarus and build them in Su-33. Don't forget that there was a delay in Angolan Su-30KN upgrades.
I still think, they have bought upgraded FCS computer to install this SVP-24 capabilities and to install SATNAV and new data link, which are basic items for SVP-24 to work. Maybe they also integrate L-150 Pastel in it and could Su-33 now use Kh-31P anti-radar missiles.
Their complexes just have a higher capability than others to provide both pilot and weapon controller the real-time targets/battlefield situation awareness, determine precisely aircraft's motions/coordinates, programe the best aircraft's envelope to approach the targets and calculate accurately the unguided ammunition ballistic and the time to automatically release them. Ofcourse other aircafts like Su-24M2 (Sukhoi's upgrade proposal), Su-34 and Su-27SM/SM can do like that but at the lower quanlity and lest accuracy.
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Militarov wrote:eehnie wrote:franco wrote:medo wrote:http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5878e8849a794719284dc0f9
Минобороны России решило оснастить в 2017–2018 годах все принадлежащие ему палубные истребители Су-33 системами СВП-24-33, которые повышают точность применения ракет, авиабомб и боеприпасов к авиационному стрелково-пушечному вооружению. Об этом агентству «Интерфакс» сообщил источник в оборонно-промышленном комплексе.
Russian MoD decided, that RuNAVY will modernize all remaining Su-33 in their fleet with SVP-24-33 after their excellent results in Syria.
Considering, that SVP display is also radar display, I wonder what changes radar get to be compatible with SVP-24-33
Good news for around 20 aircraft...
I agree. The SU-33 has a future.
Future which is projected to be no longer than 8 years after overhaul.
Link?
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I doubt RuNAVY will modernize all Su-33 fleet with SVP-24-33 and restart engine production for such short period. I have no doubt, that MiG-29K/KUB will take serving their duty on the Kuz carrier, while Su-33 will serve on ground bases. True, Northern fleet is also receiving Su-30SM fighters, but Su-33 will be still very useful jet over Arctic sea.
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eehnie wrote:Militarov wrote:eehnie wrote:franco wrote:medo wrote:http://www.rbc.ru/rbcfreenews/5878e8849a794719284dc0f9
Минобороны России решило оснастить в 2017–2018 годах все принадлежащие ему палубные истребители Су-33 системами СВП-24-33, которые повышают точность применения ракет, авиабомб и боеприпасов к авиационному стрелково-пушечному вооружению. Об этом агентству «Интерфакс» сообщил источник в оборонно-промышленном комплексе.
Russian MoD decided, that RuNAVY will modernize all remaining Su-33 in their fleet with SVP-24-33 after their excellent results in Syria.
Considering, that SVP display is also radar display, I wonder what changes radar get to be compatible with SVP-24-33
Good news for around 20 aircraft...
I agree. The SU-33 has a future.
Future which is projected to be no longer than 8 years after overhaul.
Link?
You need link for that? Bahahha
go away please.
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Russian Naval Aviation to Overhaul, Boost Helicopter Fleet by 2025
The Russian Navy has begun overhauling its fleet of shipborne helicopters as part of a state arms procurement program running into 2025, the Russian Defense Ministry’s press office said Wednesday.
MOSCOW (Sputnik) — It will receive state-of-the-art Kamov Ka-52K attack choppers, Ka-31R radar surveillance helicopters and Ka-226T on-deck helicopters, as well as revamped Ka-27PL anti-submarine choppers already in service.
https://sputniknews.com/military/201703151051617821-russia-naval-aviation/
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George1 wrote:.......................
MOSCOW (Sputnik) — It will receive state-of-the-art Kamov Ka-52K attack choppers, Ka-31R radar surveillance helicopters and Ka-226T on-deck helicopters, as well as revamped Ka-27PL anti-submarine choppers already in service..............
https://sputniknews.com/military/201703151051617821-russia-naval-aviation/
I heard speculations before but this is first time I see actual report that Navy will get Ka-226.
Which ship classes do you guys think will use these choppers? Coast Guard is safe bet but what about Navy ships?
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Most probably 22160 patrol ship. Smaller helicopter need less space.
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I think the new MFD of Gefest Su-33 is MFI-55 (5 x 5 inches).medo wrote:
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Interesting is, that upgraded Polish MiG-29A have quite similar MFD.
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Which ship classes do you guys think will use these choppers? Coast Guard is safe bet but what about Navy ships?
Hard to say... this new little helo has enormous potential with its ability to take rear pods optimised for different roles.
Its small size means even very small vessels can carry a helo... but then even the tiniest patrol boat could carry a UAV these days so that is not that significant.
What is interesting is that if they develop the modular nature of the rear pod system a medium sized vessel could carry a variety of pods and therefore in effect be able to carry the equivalent of several different helo types at one time.
Of course on smaller boats it might allow the carriage of a helo where before there was simply not enough room for one, but on bigger boats it also means they can have a helo able to perform multiple functions... which is important because before you had a dedicated vessel... a Udaloy is a sub hunter so an anti sub helo would be important, but with a modular helo you can have a helo able to perform a range of roles as needed... this is important with the new vessels being multirole with missions including but not limited to anti ship, anti sub, land attack, anti piracy and other roles as well...
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Mig-29K and Su-33 that crashed were found by Ru navy's drone and some critical eqipements were removed according to french spoutnik news.
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Two Ka-29 helicopters repaired in Sevastopol
The web-resource aviaforum.ru published photos of two transport-combat helicopters Ka-29 of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy, who completed the capital repair repairs at the Sevastopol Aircraft Repair Enterprise (GUP) in Sevastopol and received a new coloring.
The helicopters have the yellow side plates "69" (registration number RF-19441) and "70" (registration number RF-19442) and, presumably, will be part of the Black Sea Fleet aviation, which, apparently, will become the first Ka-29 flight aircraft for a long time. Both helicopters were commissioned for repairs in 2015, presumably from storage in Kach.
Recall that the photo of the first completed Ka-29 helicopter repair (in still unpainted form) appeared in December 2016. Then this helicopter was identified as a board with the serial number 52350047121804 and serial number 079-03 (the former onboard number "70 red" from Kachi), and, apparently, it is one of the two now presented in painted form helicopters.
On December 21, 2016, six Ka-29 helicopters, which underwent capital repairs at Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise JSC, were also transferred to the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy.
As of November 2016, only four Ka-29 helicopters were in a state of flying in the Russian Navy: two cars with aircraft numbers "38 yellow" (registration number RF-34194) and "39 yellow" (registration number RF-34188), operating in 859 Center for Combat Use and Training of the Flight Composition of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Yeisk, as well as Ka-29 helicopters with the "23 red" and "75 red" airborne units in the Northern Fleet aviation.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2556020.html
The web-resource aviaforum.ru published photos of two transport-combat helicopters Ka-29 of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy, who completed the capital repair repairs at the Sevastopol Aircraft Repair Enterprise (GUP) in Sevastopol and received a new coloring.
The helicopters have the yellow side plates "69" (registration number RF-19441) and "70" (registration number RF-19442) and, presumably, will be part of the Black Sea Fleet aviation, which, apparently, will become the first Ka-29 flight aircraft for a long time. Both helicopters were commissioned for repairs in 2015, presumably from storage in Kach.
Recall that the photo of the first completed Ka-29 helicopter repair (in still unpainted form) appeared in December 2016. Then this helicopter was identified as a board with the serial number 52350047121804 and serial number 079-03 (the former onboard number "70 red" from Kachi), and, apparently, it is one of the two now presented in painted form helicopters.
On December 21, 2016, six Ka-29 helicopters, which underwent capital repairs at Kumertau Aviation Production Enterprise JSC, were also transferred to the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy.
As of November 2016, only four Ka-29 helicopters were in a state of flying in the Russian Navy: two cars with aircraft numbers "38 yellow" (registration number RF-34194) and "39 yellow" (registration number RF-34188), operating in 859 Center for Combat Use and Training of the Flight Composition of the Naval Aviation of the Russian Navy in Yeisk, as well as Ka-29 helicopters with the "23 red" and "75 red" airborne units in the Northern Fleet aviation.
http://bmpd.livejournal.com/2556020.html
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Russia restarts production of engines for ship-borne fighter jets
Engines for the naval aviation’s Su-33 aircraft arrive after passing all the test stages
ST. PETERSBURG, June 28. /TASS/. Russia has launched the production of upgraded engines for deck-based Sukhoi Su-33 fighter jets, the press office of the United Engine Corporation (UEC) said on Wednesday.
"In order to meet the requirements of the state customer, the UEC has resumed the production of AL-31F series 3 turbofan engines for deck-based Su-33 fighters. A batch of the engines has already been produced by UMPO [part of the UEC] and supplied to the customer," the press office said.
The AL-31F series 3 engines were developed and produced specially for Su-33 aircraft, the UEC said.
"Considering the evolutionary development that the family of AL-31F engines has undergone after the last series 3 units were produced, the new engines for seaborne heavy fighters are made with the introduction of modifications that have already been applied to the engines of the AL-31F family," the corporation’s press office said.
Engines for the naval aviation’s Su-33 aircraft arrive after passing all the test stages. The UEC is also carrying out work for providing technical support for operational seaborne AL-31F engines.
The AL-31F turbofan engine with an afterburner and a variable thrust nozzle is mounted on the aircraft of the Su-27 family. It is used in a wide range of altitudes and flight speeds and provides for the aircraft’s unique maneuverable characteristics.
The AL-31F has been used as the basis for developing the AL-31FP variant with thrust vector control and the AL-31FN variant with the lower arrangement of the box of aircraft accessory for mounting on single-engine fighter jets.
As its specific feature, the Al-31F series 3 offers a possibility for introducing an additional special mode for the aircraft’s takeoff from the deck with the full combat load or for an emergency go-around maneuver.
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http://tass.com/defense/953685
Engines for the naval aviation’s Su-33 aircraft arrive after passing all the test stages
ST. PETERSBURG, June 28. /TASS/. Russia has launched the production of upgraded engines for deck-based Sukhoi Su-33 fighter jets, the press office of the United Engine Corporation (UEC) said on Wednesday.
"In order to meet the requirements of the state customer, the UEC has resumed the production of AL-31F series 3 turbofan engines for deck-based Su-33 fighters. A batch of the engines has already been produced by UMPO [part of the UEC] and supplied to the customer," the press office said.
The AL-31F series 3 engines were developed and produced specially for Su-33 aircraft, the UEC said.
"Considering the evolutionary development that the family of AL-31F engines has undergone after the last series 3 units were produced, the new engines for seaborne heavy fighters are made with the introduction of modifications that have already been applied to the engines of the AL-31F family," the corporation’s press office said.
Engines for the naval aviation’s Su-33 aircraft arrive after passing all the test stages. The UEC is also carrying out work for providing technical support for operational seaborne AL-31F engines.
The AL-31F turbofan engine with an afterburner and a variable thrust nozzle is mounted on the aircraft of the Su-27 family. It is used in a wide range of altitudes and flight speeds and provides for the aircraft’s unique maneuverable characteristics.
The AL-31F has been used as the basis for developing the AL-31FP variant with thrust vector control and the AL-31FN variant with the lower arrangement of the box of aircraft accessory for mounting on single-engine fighter jets.
As its specific feature, the Al-31F series 3 offers a possibility for introducing an additional special mode for the aircraft’s takeoff from the deck with the full combat load or for an emergency go-around maneuver.
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