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    Post  medo Thu Jun 29, 2017 12:15 am

    Excellent, so Su-33 will serve in RuNAVY for decades. New engines will have longer life time and lower fuel consumption similarly as new upgraded Al-31F engines. New engines also mean, that Su-33 will go through deeper modernization if it was not already done by SVP-24 modernization as they could upgrade radar to N001VEP standard with replacing some components by Su-30KN modernization package. The same program was used by Belarus, when upgrading their and Kazakh Su-27 fighters and Angolan Su-30 fighters.
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    Post  Benya Thu Jul 13, 2017 9:10 am

    Russia’s Minoga - Ka-27 Replacement - Ship-Based Helicopter to be Transformable

    The promising Russian Minoga ship-based helicopter is planned to be versatile and transformable to accomplish different tasks, Russian Helicopters Group’s press office said.

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    Artist impression of Minago, the Ka-27 replacement

    Russian Helicopters Group is a subsidiary of Russia’s Rostec state hi-tech corporation.

    "The Ka-27 helicopter will require replacing sooner or later and it will be replaced with the Minoga rotorcraft. Its goal is to combine all the capabilities the Ka-27 helicopter has," the press office said.

    "The Ka-27 helicopter was planned to have three versions, i.e. the antisubmarine warfare, search and rescue and transport/combat ones. Now, a sufficient number of other options are available. There is a plan to make the Minoga rotorcraft versatile and quickly transformable to accomplish different missions," the press office added.

    According to the press office, the Minoga will have virtually the same weight and size as the Ka-27 helicopter. The preliminary work has been carried out and the design work has begun.
    As Russian Helicopters Group Deputy CEO for Marketing and Business Development Alexander Shcherbinin said last year, the company has already decided on the design of the Minoga helicopter.

    Kamov Company General Designer Sergei Mikheyev said at that time that the serial production of the promising helicopter would start in about ten years.

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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 13, 2017 11:32 am

    The word transformable suggests some sort of new propulsion or the ability to operate in different flight modes.

    Perhaps some sort of pusher propeller for high speed flight?
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Jul 13, 2017 3:10 pm

    GarryB wrote:The word transformable suggests some sort of new propulsion or the ability to operate in different flight modes.

    Perhaps some sort of pusher propeller for high speed flight?

    I think they might be​ referring to setup similar to Ka-226

    It's a great design that improves on Ka-27 in every way, now they just need to enlarge it and they have a winner
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 15, 2017 6:57 am

    That would be a very good idea.

    I remember they talked about a convertible helicopter and armoured vehicle.

    At the time I read it I dismissed it as silly, but when our Scottish friend here asked about it I gave it more thought.

    If you made the vehicles modular it becomes more practical... in the air you just need small arms protection, whereas on the ground the protection requirements are much greater.

    If you treat the armoured vehicle and the helicopter component like an Armata tank... the crew and also troop compartment is protected mostly by its location and extra armour specifically around it.

    A troop pod and a crew pod should be developed first and then the helicopter component and armoured land vehicle component treated separately... the air component can be like an enlarged Ka-226T perhaps with the rear pod being for the troops with RWS mounts in the corners so the troops inside can fire on targets on the ground nearby as part of the helo.

    The IFV could have the troop pod dropped into it from the helo.

    The way they could be used is the IFV are dropped into theatre by helo with their crews on board and then another smaller helo comes in with the troop pod that is attached to the IFV which then moves forward into combat...

    Who knows... but the idea of a 10-13 ton Ka-226T sounds pretty cool to me.
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    Post  medo Mon Jul 17, 2017 6:13 pm

    https://www.vz.ru/news/2017/7/17/878903.html

    Свыше половины самолетов Су-33 получила новые системы боевого применения по морским и наземным целям. Теперь их «потенциал повышен до уровня Су-30СМ». Остальные Су-33 Морской авиации также пройдут модернизацию.

    К 2018 году современным требованиям будут отвечать 60% авиапарка.

    Interesting information from article. More than half of Su-33 got new bort FCS complex to engage naval and ground targets and their combat potential is near the one of Su-30SM. This info prove, that Su-33 got radar modernization package to made it multirole, most probably from Irkut Su-30KN package, which radar have similar capabilities to N001VEP from Su-30M2. SVP-24 is not made to enage naval targets, for this task Su-33 need radar with air to sea modes.
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    Post  Benya Tue Jul 18, 2017 7:34 pm

    Some additional info about the Su-33 modernization


    Russia's Naval Aviation to Upgrade All Su-33 Fighters to Su-30SM Level

    All Sukhoi Su-33 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-D) fighter jets operational with Russia’s Naval Aviation will be upgraded to the Su-30SM level, Naval Aviation Chief Major-General Igor Kozhin said during MAKS 2017 air show

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    File picutre: A Sukhoi Su-33 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-D) fighter jet with Admiral Kuznetsov in the background

    "Half of the Su-33 plane fleet has received advanced weapon systems designed to hit sea and land targets. In fact, their capabilities have been increased to the Su-30SM level. All Su-33 planes operational with the Naval Aviation will undergo such an upgrade," Kozhin said.

    By late 2017, 60% of the fleet will meet requirements set to Naval Aviation aircraft, he added.

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    File picutre: A Sukhoi Su-33 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-D) fighter jet

    According to him, more than 20 Su-30SM planes were delivered to the Naval Aviation in two years and a new regiment operating Mikoyan MiG-29 (Fulcrum) fighter jets was formed. It was reported earlier that Su-33 shipborne fighter jets were undergoing upgrade to receive the special SVP-24 computer subsystem developed by the Gefest&T Company.

    According to information available on the Internet, the planes had been upgraded and were undergoing tests at the Gromov Flight Research Center. However, there is no information whether the instruments of the Su-33 plane’s cockpit were modified.

    The information required for the operation of the SVP-24 computer subsystem is likely to be shown on the EKP-NT single man-portable map tablet that will be located on the pilot’s lap during the flight.

    The SVP-24 system allows planes to accurately attack ground targets in any weather conditions using a wide range of unguided air-launched weapons.

    The system is mounted on the Su-24M (Fencer) frontline bomber and the Tupolev Tu-22M3 (Backfire-C) long-range supersonic bomber.

    The SVP-24 system was actively used by Russia’s air task force in the counterterror operation in Syria. It was reported in November 2016 that Su-33 fighter jets of the ship Admiral Kuznetsov’s air wing had dropped bombs to destroy a big armed group of the Jabhat al-Nusra terror organization (outlawed in Russia) in Syria’s Idlib province.

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    Post  JohninMK Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:52 am

    Joseph Dempsey‏ @JosephHDempsey 9h9 hours ago
    Replying to @JosephHDempsey

    #Russia only operational Typhoon SSBN 'Dmitriy Donskoy' & Kirov CGHMN 'Pyotr Veliky' transit down #Norway coastline https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2017/07/im-deeply-concerned-about-safety-board-nuclear-armageddon-machine …


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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Jul 19, 2017 12:38 pm

    JohninMK wrote: Joseph Dempsey‏ @JosephHDempsey 9h9 hours ago
    Replying to @JosephHDempsey

    #Russia only operational Typhoon SSBN 'Dmitriy Donskoy' & Kirov CGHMN 'Pyotr Veliky' transit down #Norway coastline https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2017/07/im-deeply-concerned-about-safety-board-nuclear-armageddon-machine …

    That link to an article by a Bellona wonk is pure tardishness.  The so-called "nuclear safety expert" prattles about the PtG and Donskois reactors being 40 years old...  and is "so concerned" about their safety and whether the crews will "push" reactor safety standards on a "prestige" voyage, but of course he'd NEVER say anything similar about Nimitz class reactors that are even older....

    The hypocrisy and bias is simply overwhelming...
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 19, 2017 1:09 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    JohninMK wrote: Joseph Dempsey‏ @JosephHDempsey 9h9 hours ago
    Replying to @JosephHDempsey

    #Russia only operational Typhoon SSBN 'Dmitriy Donskoy' & Kirov CGHMN 'Pyotr Veliky' transit down #Norway coastline https://thebarentsobserver.com/en/security/2017/07/im-deeply-concerned-about-safety-board-nuclear-armageddon-machine …

    That link to an article by a Bellona wonk is pure tardishness.  The so-called "nuclear safety expert" prattles about the PtG and Donskois reactors being 40 years old...  and is "so concerned" about their safety and whether the crews will "push" reactor safety standards on a "prestige" voyage, but of course he'd NEVER say anything similar about Nimitz class reactors that are even older....

    The hypocrisy and bias is simply overwhelming...

    This is nothing, these same clowns were recently throwing shit-fits over Akademik Lomonosov soon being towed from St. Pete trough the Baltics and how reactors might be activated during voyage (which was the plan from the get go) even though reactors on that one are brand new.

    I hope they switch them on before they start to tow it, take their sweet time and raise all sort of noise just so these retards get their panties extra brown.

    Maybe rolling coverage by RT from the vessel during transit around Scandinavia would be in order?
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    Post  medo Wed Jul 19, 2017 6:38 pm

    Benya wrote:Some additional info about the Su-33 modernization


    Russia's Naval Aviation to Upgrade All Su-33 Fighters to Su-30SM Level

    All Sukhoi Su-33 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-D) fighter jets operational with Russia’s Naval Aviation will be upgraded to the Su-30SM level, Naval Aviation Chief Major-General Igor Kozhin said during MAKS 2017 air show

    Russian Naval Aviation: News - Page 14 SU-33_TAKR_Kuznetsov
    File picutre: A Sukhoi Su-33 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-D) fighter jet with Admiral Kuznetsov in the background

    "Half of the Su-33 plane fleet has received advanced weapon systems designed to hit sea and land targets. In fact, their capabilities have been increased to the Su-30SM level. All Su-33 planes operational with the Naval Aviation will undergo such an upgrade," Kozhin said.

    By late 2017, 60% of the fleet will meet requirements set to Naval Aviation aircraft, he added.

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    File picutre: A Sukhoi Su-33 (NATO reporting name: Flanker-D) fighter jet

    According to him, more than 20 Su-30SM planes were delivered to the Naval Aviation in two years and a new regiment operating Mikoyan MiG-29 (Fulcrum) fighter jets was formed. It was reported earlier that Su-33 shipborne fighter jets were undergoing upgrade to receive the special SVP-24 computer subsystem developed by the Gefest&T Company.

    According to information available on the Internet, the planes had been upgraded and were undergoing tests at the Gromov Flight Research Center. However, there is no information whether the instruments of the Su-33 plane’s cockpit were modified.

    The information required for the operation of the SVP-24 computer subsystem is likely to be shown on the EKP-NT single man-portable map tablet that will be located on the pilot’s lap during the flight.

    The SVP-24 system allows planes to accurately attack ground targets in any weather conditions using a wide range of unguided air-launched weapons.

    The system is mounted on the Su-24M (Fencer) frontline bomber and the Tupolev Tu-22M3 (Backfire-C) long-range supersonic bomber.

    The SVP-24 system was actively used by Russia’s air task force in the counterterror operation in Syria. It was reported in November 2016 that Su-33 fighter jets of the ship Admiral Kuznetsov’s air wing had dropped bombs to destroy a big armed group of the Jabhat al-Nusra terror organization (outlawed in Russia) in Syria’s Idlib province.

    Source: Arrow http://www.navyrecognition.com/index.php/news/defence-news/2017/july-2017-navy-naval-forces-defense-industry-technology-maritime-security-global-news/5401-russia-s-naval-aviation-to-upgrade-all-su-33-fighters-to-su-30sm-level.html

    Any Su-30 modification is multirole with upgraded radar or Bars-R radar in Su-30SM with modes to attack air, sea and ground targets. Su-33 geting air to sea capabilities mean multirole radar, what mean upgrading existing one to N001VEP level. SVP-24 provide capabilities to attack stationary ground targets with unguided bombs. It is of no use against sea targets as it could not operate with anti-ship missiles. Modernized Su-33 got new LCD MFD instead of old radar screen.
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    Post  Isos Wed Jul 19, 2017 7:23 pm

    Wasn't the Su-33 supposed to be replaced totally by Mig-29K ?
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:19 pm

    It was assumed by many that this is what was happening... but for all we know they just took advantage of the fact that the MiG-29K2 was in production (for India) and so bought a batch while they were cheaper and quicker to get into service.

    The MiG-29K2 is a very good aircraft, while the Su-33 in their original form were pretty much just Su-27 with folding wings and a tail hook and strengthened bits and bobs.

    With upgrades the Su-33 will become a much more useful aircraft.
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    Post  George1 Thu Jul 20, 2017 12:23 pm

    Isos wrote:Wasn't the Su-33 supposed to be replaced totally by Mig-29K ?

    Yes. My conclusion is that they decided to keep it because they obviously have no intention for further MiG-29Ks
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    Post  T-47 Thu Jul 20, 2017 5:42 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Isos wrote:Wasn't the Su-33 supposed to be replaced totally by Mig-29K ?

    Yes. My conclusion is that they decided to keep it because they obviously have no intention for further MiG-29Ks

    Another point I think is the condition of RAC MiG itself. The after sale service of Sukhoi is obviously better than MiG. So its easier to upgrade them because more upgraded parts and spares are available easily and they are tested (Syria). While the MiGs performance is rather poor in these criteria. SMT upgrade, or MiG-35 saga or the long dream of LMFS and Skat. I think Syria made the first Russian air operation without the name MiG since creation of MiG itself (Until the arrival of Admiral Kuznetsov but still its not air force).
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    Post  medo Thu Jul 20, 2017 6:14 pm

    MiG-29K is meant for carrier operations as they are smaller and coult take more of them than Su-33. When they ordered MiG-29K fighters, they gave to Su-33 new task to protect Northern fleet bases and Arctic region from ground based air bases. RuNAVY will built a new whole year active air base in Zemlya Aleksandra island in the far North and they plan to have 4 fighters stationed there. Su-33 is ideal for this task. It is made for operations over the ocean with its navigation complex and with its structure and engines and it have stronger undercarriage for carrier operations. As all Flankers Su-33 have long range (longer than MiG-29) and is equipped with IFR probe. And at last Su-33 have folding wings, what mean they need smaller hangars than other ground based fighters.

    Of course Northern fleet will also have Su-30SM jets for protection of their bases, but still Su-30SM is more contonental fighter than maritime as it doesn't have such anti corrosion protection as Su-33 as well as navigation complex. Modernization of Su-33 radar with air to ground and air to sea modes will make it excellent anti-ship platform.
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    Post  Cyberspec Wed Aug 02, 2017 8:25 am

    SVP-24 'Gefest' upgrade for Su-33

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    Arrow more here: http://naval-flanker.livejournal.com/23505.html

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    Post  medo Wed Aug 02, 2017 10:18 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:SVP-24 'Gefest' upgrade for Su-33

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    Arrow more here: http://naval-flanker.livejournal.com/23505.html

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    Nice find and very interesting MFD for Su-33. It have more bottons as we before see only a bottom raw of them. It could easily have more functions than just SVP and air to air radar modes. I wonder if they give more informations regarding upgrade in MAKS.

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    It is interesting to note, that it could show the map to the distance up to 300 km. In Su-24 it could show the map to distance up to 150 km, what is the range of Su-24 radar. Upgraded N001 radar have such range against ships on the sea, against ground targets its range is also 150 km.
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    Post  Cyberspec Thu Aug 03, 2017 7:20 am

    In the link it says it can receive targeting data from the ship and can carry out bombing in "automatic" regime....not sure what that means exactly?
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    Post  T-47 Thu Aug 03, 2017 5:06 pm

    Cyberspec wrote:In the link it says it can receive targeting data from the ship and can carry out bombing in "automatic" regime....not sure what that means exactly?

    Ship controlling the aircraft maybe?
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    Post  medo Thu Aug 03, 2017 6:42 pm

    This could only mean, that carrier Kuznetsov is also well modernized with new C4ISR complex to share all data with other ships, air force and groiund forces via satellite or radio data links and deliver all needed targeting and other info to naval fighters like Su-33 and MiG-29K. Automatic regime simply means, that fire control complex automaticaly drop bombs on given target coordinates. This mean, that fire control compute in Su-33 is upgraded, that it could use satellite navigation and data link to receive air, ground and sea targets and to exchange picture with others. Now we could assume L-150 Pastel is also integrated in fire control computer, what means Su-33 could use anti-radar missiles.
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    Post  kopyo-21 Thu Aug 17, 2017 1:27 pm

    medo wrote:This could only mean, that carrier Kuznetsov is also well modernized with new C4ISR complex to share all data with other ships, air force and groiund forces via satellite or radio data links and deliver all needed targeting and other info to naval fighters like Su-33 and MiG-29K. Automatic regime simply means, that fire control complex automaticaly drop bombs on given target coordinates. This mean, that fire control compute in Su-33 is upgraded, that it could use satellite navigation and data link to receive air, ground and sea targets and to exchange picture with others. Now we could assume L-150 Pastel is also integrated in fire control computer, what means Su-33 could use anti-radar missiles.
    If they want, Su-33s with SVP-24 and upgraded WCS can use satellite-guided and EO-guided bombs/missiles too.
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    Post  medo Thu Aug 17, 2017 7:43 pm

    https://iz.ru/614927/aleksei-ramm-dmitrii-litovkin/tcena-voiny-tcena-boepripasa

    In modern local conflicts high-precision weapons are very expensive to apply. Americans joke that an airplane for several hundred million dollars by a bomb costing tens of thousands destroys a tent or truck, which several thousand are not worth. SVP-24 provides the use of both guided and conventional bombs, which are much cheaper than high-precision bombs. In our case, the effect of saving was also achieved by the fact that the aircraft used them with high accuracy.

    - Now it is fashionable to say "network-centric system". SVP-24 allows directly in flight to transfer to the aircraft a new target designation and execute a strike already on it. This is the work of the network-centric system: according to the "central" order, the plane took off in the air, went into the corresponding zone, and there it already works in the network. Therefore, the number of Su-24 strikes is much larger and more effective than if they used high-precision pre-programmed ammunition.

    The SVP-24 complex already stands on the front and long bombers Su-24M and Tu-22M, deck-based fighters Su-33. Now we have modernized the Su-25. We are ready to conduct similar work on our own aircraft for other aircraft.

    Interesting interview with the head of Gefest & T company about SVP-24. It could use guided and unguided bombs, so most probably it could use TV and satellite guided bombs. It is a kind of fire control computer and it could work with radar, like in Su-24M and in Tu-22M3. This could be interesting regarding Su-33. This mean Su-33 could as well use guided bombs and missiles and is fully integrated in data link network. New digital computer could integrate L-150 pastel RWRs, which enable the use of anti-radar missiles. The last important question is radar.

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    SVP-24 display from Su-33 with distances of 10, 25, 75, 150 and 300 km

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    OP4-TM display from SVP-24 in Su-24M with distances of 25, 75 and 150 km, what is compatible with Su-24M radar.

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    Cockpit from Su-24M2 from NAPO modernization package. Radar display have distances of 10, 25, 75 and 150 km, which show distances of radar maping and resolution.

    300 km distance on Su-33 display could indicate, that the radar is upgraded to the level of N001VEP, which have range of 300 km against big aerial and naval targets.

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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Aug 17, 2017 9:13 pm

    That svp-24 system is a total beast. And it was significantly cheaper too. So it gives old aircrafts far better capabilities and the ability to shoot guided munitions too.

    I'm curious what the company will come up with next
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    Post  kopyo-21 Fri Aug 18, 2017 4:31 am

    miketheterrible wrote:That svp-24 system is a total beast. And it was significantly cheaper too. So it gives old aircrafts far better capabilities and the ability to shoot guided munitions too.

    I'm curious what the company will come up with next
    They has moved ahead to provide the SVP-24 for Tu-95MS upgrades. With SVP-24, now Tu-95MS can receive data then feed the mission into the seeker of Kh-101 & Kh-102 missiles at real time and on the air to attack a target from the distance of thousands km.

    http://www.airrecognition.com/index.php/archive-world-worldwide-news-air-force-aviation-aerospace-air-military-defence-industry/global-defense-security-news/global-news-2017/june/3589-russia-s-tu-95ms-bomber-to-be-fitted-with-new-computing-subsystem.html

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