GarryB wrote:Actually... i belive SOSUS atm has GPS recievers that are accessible by civilian structures too for maritime research. So.... yeah?
Why would fixed structures like SOSUS need GPS receivers?
Or are you suggesting it is a mobile array whose position shifts and it needs to keep a record of its own location...
That would be like needing a GPS receiver for your house... I can understand wanting one for your car... but for something that is not mobile it is a bit of a waste of time and money.
As i said already those subs are not used for cable-laying, at the best are used for observation of the cable state or some assistance during repair. Cables are layed by cable-laying ships, list of which we have, so if someone cared that much could check their deployments last few years and see where they were active.
Deep submergence RESCUE vehicles are for cable tampering and surveillance... they are not used to lay cable.
They forced maritime patrol role from Nimrods onto C-130s for now and C3I onto Sentries for now till adequate replacement gets selected, but seems it will be role taken by P-8s we mentioned above.
So they can't rely on their allies assets after all?
UK is not trying to position itself as superpowere, Russa is.
The UK is not giving up its seat on the UNSC... I would say it believes itself to be a superpower... though not the dominant one of course.
While tiny Japan triples your ASW/maritime patrol capabilities its sort of funny, but if its okay, sure, dont mind me i am just thinking loud.
I don't have an ASW capabilities... and Japan is an island that would be very vulnerable to a Russian sub launching a cruise missile attack from a thousand kms distance. The US is an island too. But the strange thing is that while the UK is an island its ASW capabilities are even weaker than russian defences... to the point of being pathetic... yet you turn your nose up at the Russian defences and give excuses for the UK. I guess it must be stockholm syndrome... perhaps when the UK starts giving you its old fighter planes and the next time Russia bombs Serbia you might reverse your opinion... or not.
The Russians on the other hand could simply ignore its sea lines of communication and defend its own areas and be fine from Sub threats... not invulnerable but also not able to be defeated by them.
So, Russians tempering own underwater cables? Good call.
No, SOSUS is fixed installation, however US is using dozens of contractors and research institutions that work and use it or do maintenance etc. Now, using charts in this age would be abit unpractical to say at least, missing its positoin by 300m is not a small thing. Also its not out of question for such cables to move abit or get covered partially by sand or corals i suppose, after all its seabed its everchanging. Its just far simplier for navigation. Fiber optic lines today are even dig in partially into sand which was not the case back in time. Biologist use today damn thing to track whales and orcas...
So yeah, GPS or low frequency emmiters are the thing since it was declassified.
Yess.. but Japanese coast is "stacked up", its all there. Russian coast is basically a line, its immense. In ideal situation they would need like...5 or 6 times more maritime patrol aircraft than Japan. To switch coasts Japanese maritime patrol aircraft needs to fly 100 miles, Russian to switch from Baltic to Pacific would need to land 4 times for fuel.
Maritime patrol is not exclusive for military applications, its used for iceberg tracking, observing weather, search and rescue, maritime research of many kinds...
I said... they can afford to reduce number of platforms, and that they can afford it, i never said they are going to completely remove maritime patrol. And same case as with Japan, UK is fairly small island, there are not huge stretched coastlines, aircrat can cross whole UK i 2h.