Current Roscosmos civilian sector is so abysmally bad,
Wasn't the civilian sector of roscosmos, single handedly, responsible for making sure that humanity has 24/7 presence in space for nearly a decade?
Current Roscosmos civilian sector is so abysmally bad,
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Belisarius wrote:Current Roscosmos civilian sector is so abysmally bad,
Wasn't the civilian sector of roscosmos, single handedly, responsible for making sure that humanity has 24/7 presence in space for nearly a decade?
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On August 21, Yuri Borisov, Director General at Roskosmos blamed an engine failure for the Luna-Glob crash. According to Borisov, the engine fired for 127 seconds instead of planned 84 seconds. According to unofficial sources at the time, all the commands radioed to the spacecraft ahead of the fateful maneuver were found to be correct, including the one for the timing of the engine cutoff, but for a yet unknown reason, the propulsion system kept firing and was shut down by the emergency timer, when it was too late.
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Most of the mission scientists working on Chandrayan-3 are women, which you will not see in today's cuckservative Russia under the Putin's tradcuck leadership.... The Soviet Union was a scientifically driven progressive country, achieving many breakthroughs in science and technology.... Sadly, modern Russia is regressing towards a pseudo traditional society without a concrete understanding of morals, ethics, or spirituality. As a result, Russia has fewer women in scientific and military fields, but at the same time has much higher divorce rate and HIV compared to very highly populated countries like India and China. Both India and China, and even Iran to a large extent is encouraging its female citizens to take part in development of science and technology and also to join the military. A country cannot progress if half of its population does not participate in its growth and development. Hence, even Islamic nations like Iran and Saudi Arabia are focusing on including women in science and technical fields. Being progressive does not mean endorsing wokeism debauchery. Soviet Union was a good example of modern progressive society without any trace of wokeism garbage.
Russia must wake up and abandon this Alex Jones style new found toxic cuckservative ideology that will destroy the countries future progress in science and technology.
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Ned86 wrote:sepheronx wrote:Congrats to India. And hopefully Russia learned from this not to push things to be first here or there so they won't end up in failure. And if they want to be first at something, don't rush it to failure.
Congrats to India.....it is great for them and for the science.
Russia was first anyway, not just on the moon....but if they want to downplay you (Russia in this case) they will did it anyway.
It was a bad day for russia, bad coincidence and it came in a wrong moment and gave all haters reason for gloating.
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kvs wrote:If no heads roll at Roscosmos, then this will be really bad for Russia. Such a farce needs to have corrective measures instead of
"shit happens" ass covering.
It will be a stain on Putin if he does not crack the whip on Borisov. Rogozin needs to be brought back. I wonder how much damage
Borisov did to the Russian MIC. As in the precious west, incompetent clowns are promoted instead of being given 100 lashes.
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Begome wrote:Okay so the actual cut-off time was radioed then? Face meet palm...
I'm jumping back on board of the conspiracy train...malign actors messing with the signal is starting to look like a real possibility. Doesn't NASA have comms sats near the moon that could simply emit a much stronger signal (space-EW basically with a kind of spoofing attack)? Though it would have to be highly directional so as not to be easily detected on Earth.
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India, who operates on a much lower budget than Roscosmos, is able to achieve this on third attempt.
Add to that, they produce little of their own tech and use a lot more off the shelf stuff.
Roscosmos for most part uses custom made components making it much more expensive project.
Yet India achieved much more on third attempt than Russia did with all their attempts.
If these failures keep up, the government may not be interested in keeping roscosmos as it currently is, split the military arm away and then sell the rest to someone else. Space development would still happen and satellites too, but they would be purely military projects or private.
yes but Glonass, ISS and some satellites have their roots to the leagy of soviet space program
But this is a lot of tech that was in development for at least a couple decades.
I wouldn't be surprised if some moron thought it'd be better to disregard some minor troubleshooting just for the chance to "beat the Indians" and because of that, needlessly ran it into the ground. I don't think Putin himself would have cared much though, he seems quite methodical and more interested in long-term things, and dislikes rash decisions.
Okay so the actual cut-off time was radioed then? Face meet palm...
I'm jumping back on board of the conspiracy train...malign actors messing with the signal is starting to look like a real possibility. Doesn't NASA have comms sats near the moon that could simply emit a much stronger signal (space-EW basically with a kind of spoofing attack)? Though it would have to be highly directional so as not to be easily detected on Earth.
However, there is definitely a culture of sorts elsewhere that strives to "impress" Putin.
Most of the mission scientists working on Chandrayan-3 are women, which you will not see in today's cuckservative Russia under the Putin's tradcuck leadership....
If Russia wanted to get there earlier, then it should have started their mission earlier. And abandoned its approach to the moon as soon as the 'communication failures' or what was it became apparent. None of this cowboy bullshit. They tried to rush it, it didn't fly.
The mere fact that the planners decided to implement a Cessna pilot model for the mission is a total joke. Having some human input parameters at every critical
stage is absurd. There should be a default pre-programmed trajectory with manual intervention occurring only under emergency conditions, as
reported by onboard systems. The only challenge is the soft landing because of unknown topography details. Getting to the Moon, getting into the
right orbit and then de-orbiting can and should be automatic.
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PapaDragon wrote:owais.usmani wrote:Amidst all the vile puke on the Luna 25 thread on NSF, I saw this quite interesting post by user "Steven Pietrobon" which I thought should share here as well:
https://forum.nasaspaceflight.com/index.php?topic=59370.msg2516797#msg2516797
Also, the Soviet's had many failures in their attempts at landing on the Moon. They had eleven consecutive failures before success! If Russia wants to succeed, they need to build multiples of each spacecraft and keep trying. Building unique one-of-a-kind spacecraft and expecting success for each one is not going to work.
4 Jan 63 Luna (Ye-6 N2). Earth orbit only.
3 Feb 63 Luna (Ye-6 N3). Failed to achieve Earth orbit.
2 Apr 63 Luna 4 (Ye-6 N4). Solar orbit after 8,500 km lunar fly-by.
21 Mar 64 Luna (Ye-6 N6). Failed to achieve Earth orbit.
20 Apr 64 Luna (Ye-6 N5). Failed to achieve Earth orbit.
12 Mar 65 Kosmos 60 (Ye-6 N9). Earth orbit only.
10 Apr 65 Luna (Ye-6 N8). Failed to achieve Earth orbit.
9 May 65 Luna 5 (Ye-6 N10). Impact at 31°S x 8°E.
8 Jun 65 Luna 6 (Ye-6 N7). Solar orbit after 160,000 km lunar fly-by.
4 Oct 65 Luna 7 (Ye-6 N11). Impact at 9°N 40°W.
3 Dec 65 Luna 8 (Ye-6 N12). Impact at 9°8'N 63°18'W.
31 Jan 66 Luna 9 (Ye-6 N13). First successful soft lunar landing at 7°8'N 64°33'W.
The soil sample return program had five consecutive failures before success!
14 Jun 69 Luna (Ye-8-5 N402). Failed to reach Earth orbit.
13 Jul 69 Luna 15 (Ye-8-5 N401). Impact at 17°N 60°E.
23 Sep 69 Kosmos 300 (Ye-8-5 N403). Earth orbit only.
22 Oct 69 Kosmos 305 (Ye-8-5 N404). Earth orbit only.
6 Feb 70 Luna (Ye-8-5 N405). Failed to reach Earth orbit.
12 Sep 70 Luna 16 (Ye-8-5 N406). First successful automatic lunar soil sample return.
Jesus Christ, so what little success they did have really was purely by accident
They should have ditched that fùcking name, if that ain't cursed I don't know what is
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I have provided links in other threads regarding Roscosmos involvement of semiconductor development. I am basing this info on what they provide to us. And what they provide to us is that they make their own parts for majority of the vital structures in their space equipment. I tend to believe them too when they showcase it.
Also, yes, privatization of a sector that is doing very poorly isn't a bad option.
Being critical against this is healthy you know.
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They of course knew where they wanted to land...they had a primary landing site and several backup sites planned out for months, but that wasn't even my point: I'm saying that if the actual engine burn parameters were radioed instead of hard coded or derived strictly from on-spacecraft data storage and sensor data as a result of autonomous analysis then there is the possibility that someone messed with the signal, causing the spacecraft to receive incorrect commands. Roscosmos only confirmed that they sent the correct signal, they didn't confirm that the spacecraft received the correct signal; EW can be used to drown out the right signal and, if done within the scope of a spoofing attack, can deliver a wrong signal instead, that the receiver may pick up thinking it's the right signal. NASA has what they call the DSN (deep space network); they claim that they used it to help Chandrayan-3 land on the moon. If they can emit significantly stronger signals in a highly directional manner than the Russian comms station then they could drown out the Russian signal. Even if the signal was encrypted there's still the possibility they stole the encryption key...it's worth considering this as a possibility for the failure.GarryB wrote:The terrain around the South pole on the moon is rough, which is why nothing has ever tried to land there before. The burn was manual because they wouldn't know where exactly they were landing hours out so they had to watch the real time numbers as they came in and adjust the trajectory based on that and a mistake or mistakes were made and so the morons here want people fired... well maybe Russia should not piss money away with this sort of bullshit and have no space programme at all.
So now it sounds like the correct signals were sent but it might have been a malfunction... I guess Putin must go.
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They of course knew where they wanted to land...they had a primary landing site and several backup sites planned out for months, but that wasn't even my point:
EW can be used to drown out the right signal and, if done within the scope of a spoofing attack, can deliver a wrong signal instead, that the receiver may pick up thinking it's the right signal.
If they can emit significantly stronger signals in a highly directional manner than the Russian comms station then they could drown out the Russian signal. Even if the signal was encrypted there's still the possibility they stole the encryption key...it's worth considering this as a possibility for the failure.
And where did I say that the space program should be cancelled or "Putin must go"? How about reading the stuff you reply to instead of going on endless useless rants...you know you don't have to reply to every single post on this forum right?
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Scorpius wrote:The obsession with profit is just ridiculous. If you approach the issue of economics only from the point of view of profit, you all have to die, because buying food is not cheap, but the result is only the transfer of products, since the output is one shit. So it is not economically feasible to feed each of you, you must give way to more cost-effective forms of life!
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There is a demand for food, therefore it makes to sell it in return for other goods and services
Your assertion that the first thing we are saying "profits" isn't correct. It's that clearly in the hands of the beaurocrats, these missions are failing. Not only expensive, but catastrophic failures due to mismanagement.
So Garry, you propose nothing. In other words, keep the failures and everyone else in place.
OK. Then what after next failure? Or after that one? Just keep going?
Money drain, equipment drain and then eventually human life drain (next space station)?
I agree with KVS and others that Roscosmos civilian sector is abysmal amd things need to change.
Maybe privatizing it won't help and may make matters worst. But clearly India is doing something right and Russia isn't.
BTW, is Indias craft made of duct tape and spit like you said im insinuating? No it isn't. But if it was, then it would make the Russian lander an even greater joke.
I'm uncertain of your position. You go for the attack but you aren't even attempting to read or understand our points. Insulting isn't going to make you even more correct either.
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