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    Post  Tolstoy Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:37 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Indian mission makes Russian one look about as advanced as hot air balloon
    Russia was able to land a spacecraft in Venus, a feat not achieved by any country...certainly not India.

    13 Russian spacecraft entered the Venusian atmosphere and eight successfully touched down on the surface.

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    Post  caveat emptor Fri Aug 25, 2023 12:46 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:
    Russia was able to land a spacecraft in Venus, a feat not achieved by any country...certainly not India.

    13 Russian spacecraft entered the Venusian atmosphere and eight successfully touched down on the surface.

    I'm sure that every Indian success hurts you greatly.  Roscosmos Planetary Exploration Missions - Page 17 1f60b  Roscosmos Planetary Exploration Missions - Page 17 1f602

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 25, 2023 1:35 pm

    Tolstoy wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Indian mission makes Russian one look about as advanced as hot air balloon
    Russia was able to land a spacecraft in Venus, a feat not achieved by any country...certainly not India.

    13 Russian spacecraft entered the Venusian atmosphere and eight successfully touched down on the surface.

    Soviet Union was able to land a spacecraft in Venus, a feat not achieved by any country...certainly not India... and most certainly not Russia

    13 Soviet spacecraft entered the Venusian atmosphere and eight successfully touched down on the surface.


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    Post  lyle6 Fri Aug 25, 2023 3:41 pm

    Your Soviet Union had breadlines. India has designated shitting streets.

    Russia has neither. You can keep your space rocks. Razz

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    Post  kvs Fri Aug 25, 2023 4:44 pm

    There was no price control in the USSR. People would snatch up goods with token low prices. This "shortage" problem disappeared
    in 1990 when prices prevented people from buying said goods. Capitalism does not have shortages because it has poor people.

    The key detail is that the volume of goods in 1990 did not jump up to remove "shortages". The prices are the only thing that changed.

    However, the lack of personal investment in the supply chain in the USSR meant that trainloads of food would be "lost" at marshaling yards
    to rot. Nobody was responsible so nobody cared. The USSR was one big "tragedy of the commons".

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    Post  RTN Sat Aug 26, 2023 3:08 am

    lyle6 wrote:Your Soviet Union had breadlines. India has designated shitting streets.

    Russia has neither. You can keep your space rocks. Razz
    These low IQ, corrupt, street shitting, impoverished and miserable Indians were able to land their rover on the Moon, while Lunatic 25 failed. How far Russia has fallen is again evident from this.

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    Post  owais.usmani Sat Aug 26, 2023 4:08 am

    RTN wrote:
    These low IQ, corrupt, street shitting, impoverished and miserable Indians were able to land their rover on the Moon

    If this post does not result in your banning I don't know what will.

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    Post  GarryB Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:26 am

    These low IQ, corrupt, street shitting, impoverished and miserable Indians were able to land their rover on the Moon, while Lunatic 25 failed. How far Russia has fallen is again evident from this.

    Ironic because the Great and powerful US and even EU has never landed anything on that part of the moon either so attempting and failing is something... not even trying has to be worse.

    All that power and the ability to print as much money as you like with no repercussions and you let Russia and India do the jobs you are too afraid of trying for yourself.

    Riskshy?

    Take a month off to bathe in the glory of the mighty Indian Empire, born from the ashes of the British Empire and damaged by the US empire via their proxy Pakistan, but now BRICS has set them free to remain independent yet able to grow and develop and thrive without changing culture or language or religion or form of government...

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    Post  flamming_python Sat Aug 26, 2023 5:39 am

    RTN is a failed NATO psyops experiment but he may have been talking sarcastically rather than literally
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Aug 27, 2023 8:17 am

    flamming_python wrote:RTN is a failed NATO psyops experiment but he may have been talking sarcastically rather than literally

    Who cares. Inbred retards like that RTN troll idiot just stink the forum up with their loathsome presense. 3 cheers for GarryB for combining power with wisdom and acting for the Greater Good... Razz

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    Post  Big_Gazza Fri Sep 01, 2023 5:38 am

    Luna-25s resting place has been imaged...

    Roscosmos Planetary Exploration Missions - Page 17 Luna25_anim_2x

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    Post  Scorpius Sun Sep 03, 2023 6:32 am

    MOSCOW, September 2. /tass/. S. A. Lavochkin NGO (part of Roscosmos) plans to launch the Russian interplanetary station "Boomerang", which should deliver soil from the Mars satellite Phobos, after 2030. This is stated in the materials of the enterprise available to TASS.

    "Boomerang" - after 2030. The first stage of the Expedition-M project to explore Mars and its moons - Phobos and Deimos - by remote and contact methods," the materials say.

    It clarifies that the main objectives of the mission are landing on celestial bodies in the absence of gravity and delivering samples of Phobos matter to Earth.

    In 2016, the terms of reference for the advance project reported that the Russian interplanetary station "Boomerang" would have to deliver about 600 g of soil from Phobos to Earth. Then it was noted that the mission would be possible only with the participation of the European Space Agency. However, in November last year, the Director General of Roscosmos, Yuri Borisov, said in an interview with TASS that the European Space Agency had completely refused to cooperate with Russia.

    The launch of the device is planned to be carried out from the Vostochny cosmodrome using the Angara launch vehicle. The 6.5-ton spacecraft should fly to Mars, enter orbits around Mars, Phobos and Deimos and conduct their remote study, make a soft landing on the surface of Phobos and take samples of its soil. From Phobos, a return vehicle will go to Earth, which will have to land on the territory of Russia.

    https://tass.ru/kosmos/18641251

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    Post  owais.usmani Sat Sep 16, 2023 12:49 am

    https://sputnikglobe.com/20230915/russias-luna-25-module-crashed-due-to-malfunction-of-accelerometer---roscosmos-1113407848.html

    Accelerometer Malfunction Prompted Luna-25 Module to Crash Into Moon - Roscosmos


    BAIKONUR (Sputnik) - Russia's Luna-25 automatic landing module crashed due to a malfunction of the accelerometer that failed to transmit the information needed for the engine to turn off, Yuri Borisov, the head of Russian state space corporation Roscosmos, said on Friday.

    On August 20, Roscosmos said that Luna-25 module crashed into the moon's surface after going into an unplanned orbit. Communication with the spacecraft was lost at around 2:57 p.m. Moscow time (11:57 GMT) on August 19.

    "The correction engine has not stopped working according to the information from the accelerometer, this is the device that shows the change in speed. The reason is that the accelerometers did not turn on. Why they did not turn on, we are looking into it in detail now," Borisov said at a news conference.
    Currently, there are 16 preliminary causes for the crash, 11 of which have already been checked, and the examination into the causes of the Luna-25 crash is planned to be completed by the end of September, the official added.


    The first person to convey words of support in connection with the accident was NASA Administrator Bill Nelson, Borisov said.

    Roscosmos earlier detailed that the landing module crashed because the engine failed to turn off as program, having worked 127 seconds instead of 84 seconds during a transition to pre-landing orbit.
    However, despite the unsuccessful landing, Russian authorities have underscored that the mission has provided invaluable information to the assignment.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Sep 16, 2023 4:18 am

    Build another Luna-25 and fly it. Get it done, and stop wasting time. Post-mortem can be performed in parallel to the required procurements.

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    Post  owais.usmani Sun Sep 17, 2023 11:17 am

    https://www.russianspaceweb.com/luna-glob-flight.html#0916

    Luna-Glob failure scenario emerges


    Speaking at a press-conference in Baikonur after the launch of the Soyuz MS-24 mission on Sept. 15, 2023, Head of Roskosmos Yuri Borisov said that the orbit correction engine of the Luna-Glob (Luna-25) lander had failed to cut off as planned due to (lack of) data from an accelerometer that measures velocity changes (critical for the accuracy of orbit correction). According to Borisov, the accelerometers had failed to activate (during the maneuver, preventing the on-time engine shutdown).

    Borisov also said that Roskosmos specialists had evaluated 11 out of 16 possible failure scenarios and planned to complete the investigation by the end of September. However, by that time, Borisov's disclosure combined with various rumors and details surfaced on the Internet during the mission and in the subsequent weeks made it possible to ascertain an overall picture of the accident.

    During the trans-lunar cruise phase of the flight, when the Luna-Glob lander had to perform some corrections of its path from the Earth to the Moon, ground controllers noticed unexplained switches from the primary to the secondary set of the BIUS-L instrument, which measures angular velocity and linear acceleration for the lander's flight control computers (INSIDER CONTENT). Upon the second attempt to activate BIUS (and with growing acceleration induced by the maneuver), the primary instrument would return to action. However, ahead of the fateful lunar orbit correction on August 19, both accelerometers worked correctly, but once the maneuver started, one set failed again, while the flight control system never switched to data from the second set. As a result, onboard computers were not receiving data about critical parameters required for properly completing the orbit correction, such as orientation of the spacecraft in space, velocity and altitude.

    If confirmed, this crash scenario would likely implicate deficiencies in the development or testing of the flight control system and its software rather than any mechanical problem of the propulsion system, which was implied in the initial statement about the incident.

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    Post  T-47 Sun Sep 17, 2023 1:29 pm

    Big_Gazza wrote:Build another Luna-25 and fly it.  Get it done, and stop wasting time.  Post-mortem can be performed in parallel to the required procurements.

    Get it done without finding the previous mistake properly just to face the same issue again and crash. Very very easy to type get it done.

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    Post  Big_Gazza Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:19 pm

    T-47 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Build another Luna-25 and fly it.  Get it done, and stop wasting time.  Post-mortem can be performed in parallel to the required procurements.

    Get it done without finding the previous mistake properly just to face the same issue again and crash. Very very easy to type get it done.

    Not suggesting that.  Its not a sequential process.  You don't need to hold up the procurement process while diagnosing the fault.  Once identified, you issue variations to contract to fix the hardware/software required.

    Flying a replacement probe will take years.  Plenty of time to conduct post-mortems and make the necessary fixes (ie fix the accelerometer hardware issues, and fix the error-handling routines in the flight control software).
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    Post  kvs Sun Sep 17, 2023 9:43 pm

    The story is still not clear. These sensors appear to have operator control functionality. So did we have spurious signals sent to them
    by the US relay satellites or some 5th column dirtbag(s) at Roscosmos? I do not see how such components and the buses on which they
    sit would not have sufficient testing. Either there is testing or there isn't. Every component engaged in control would have been tested.

    I suppose the wiring could have been poorly installed giving such spurious signals internally. So these components passed tests on the ground
    but the launch and subsequent exposure to cold space manifested the continuity problem. This would be pretty sloppy construction.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 18, 2023 6:09 am

    Former Roscosmos chief Dmitry Rogozin said in 2020 that Russia would have the technical wherewithal to transport humans to Mars in eight to ten years

    I would read that to mean that in 8 to 10 years the Russians will have an operational nuclear powered space tug to carry payloads extended distances at increased speeds to make trips of greater distances more viable.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:45 am

    Former Roscosmos chief Dmitry Rogozin said in 2020 that Russia would have the technical wherewithal to transport humans to Mars in eight to ten years

    Good. So 5 to 7 years to go then and he can be the first volunteer

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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 18, 2023 8:47 am

    Imagine PD having a seizure if Rogozin is the first man on Mars... he will be on TV and in movies for the next hundred years...

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    Post  owais.usmani Mon Sep 18, 2023 10:18 am

    Big_Gazza wrote:
    T-47 wrote:
    Big_Gazza wrote:Build another Luna-25 and fly it.  Get it done, and stop wasting time.  Post-mortem can be performed in parallel to the required procurements.

    Get it done without finding the previous mistake properly just to face the same issue again and crash. Very very easy to type get it done.

    Not suggesting that.  Its not a sequential process.  You don't need to hold up the procurement process while diagnosing the fault.  Once identified, you issue variations to contract to fix the hardware/software required.

    Flying a replacement probe will take years.  Plenty of time to conduct post-mortems and make the necessary fixes (ie fix the accelerometer hardware issues, and fix the error-handling routines in the flight control software).

    This is not how it works.

    The federal space program till 2025 was approved years ago. It included the Luna 25 mission, but it did NOT include a revised Luna 25 if the first probe failed for any reason. To build a replacement Luna 25, Roscosmos needs the government approval for the mission and the requested funding. Any procurement and manufacturing process can only begin once the funds for the mission become available.

    I am sure you will join me in wishing Roscosmos a very big good luck in getting a Luna 25 rerun mission approved from the government before they have not yet finalized why the first mission failed and what measures they will be taking to ensure that the second mission does not meet the same fate.
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    Post  flamming_python Mon Sep 18, 2023 11:12 am

    GarryB wrote:Imagine PD having a seizure if Rogozin is the first man on Mars... he will be on TV and in movies for the next hundred years...

    As long as he stays there

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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Sep 18, 2023 12:07 pm

    flamming_python wrote:
    GarryB wrote:Imagine PD having a seizure if Rogozin is the first man on Mars... he will be on TV and in movies for the next hundred years...

    As long as he stays there

    He would realize that not only the Earth is round but also Mars as well, oh the humanity affraid lol1

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    Post  Big_Gazza Tue Sep 19, 2023 12:12 am

    owais.usmani wrote:This is not how it works.

    The federal space program till 2025 was approved years ago. It included the Luna 25 mission, but it did NOT include a revised Luna 25 if the first probe failed for any reason. To build a replacement Luna 25, Roscosmos needs the government approval for the mission and the requested funding. Any procurement and manufacturing process can only begin once the funds for the mission become available.

    I am sure you will join me in wishing Roscosmos a very big good luck in getting a Luna 25 rerun mission approved from the government before they have not yet finalized why the first mission failed and what measures they will be taking to ensure that the second mission does not meet the same fate.

    I course I know how these things work Suspect

    Roskosmos isn't about to act without gov approval.

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