VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

Новый военно-транспортный вертолет, который должен заменить знаменитый Ми-8, будет создан до 2018 года, сообщил в четверг РИА Новости источник в российском военно-промышленном комплексе.
"Первый прототип перспективного среднего транспортно-десантного вертолета будет создан через два или три года. Фактически это — глубокая переработка прославленного Ми-8", — сказал собеседник агентства.
При создании нового вертолета, который по размерам будет "немного крупнее Ми-8", "в качестве концептуального образца был выбран Ми-35М".
По словам источника, новая машина будет обладать более высокими летно-техническими характеристиками, большей экономичностью, грузоподъемностью, дальностью полета. На вертолете планируется установка бортового радиоэлектронного оборудования отечественного производства.
"Это будет принципиально новый вертолет с современной бортовой электроникой. Он будет сделан в защищенном варианте — получит бортовой комплекс обороны, то есть индивидуальную защиту летательного аппарата от его поражения всеми типами оружия", — рассказал собеседник агентства.

The new military transport helicopter, which is to replace the famous Mi-8, will be created by 2018, said Thursday RIA Novosti source in the Russian military-industrial complex.
"The first prototype of the average long-term transport and assault helicopters will be created in two or three years. In fact it is - deep processing of the famous Mi-8" - a spokesman said.
When creating a new helicopter that size would be "slightly larger than the Mi-8", "as the concept of the sample was selected Mi-35M".
According to the source, the new machine will have a higher flight performance, greater efficiency, capacity, flight range. The helicopter is planned to install avionics domestic production.
"It will be a brand new helicopter with modern on-board electronics. It will be placed in a protected form - get airborne defense, that is, individual protection of the aircraft from its defeat all types of weapons", - told the agency.

Werewolf wrote:Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.

...BTW does anyone find it funny that Sikorsky is turning in to a Kamov clone as of late with their designs?

Werewolf wrote:

magnumcromagnon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.

...BTW does anyone find it funny that Sikorsky is turning in to a Kamov clone as of late with their designs?

No, but what i find funny are the american fanboys on internet, calling everything that russia makes a clone of UH-60, AH-1,AH-64 but are know even so cocky to claim that such prototypes as S-97/X-2 are somehow innovative and superior, without knowing anything about rotor arrangement or that such stiff plastic rotors like S-97 uses are horrible for any battlefield where even 7.62mm rounds fly around but are always the first one to claim Ka-50/52 will be shot down with one single round to the rotor...that i find really funny.

Kimppis wrote:How many Su-35 are they planning to build by 2020 or so? They have something like 48 right now if I'm not mistaken... So are they going to deliver around 12 per year moving forward or are there any plans to increase production? I mean they are going to build T-50s at a rate of 12 per year so from 2016... So it would be logical to deliver more Su-35s? How about Su-30? 60 T-50S, 100+ Su-35s and even more Su-30s by 2020 or something like that?

GarryB wrote:The proliferation of the Su-35 and MiG-35 really don't effect Russia directly... except the income they will derive from sales and support, for the US however the more of these planes around the harder it will become for them to use military means to bully other countries into things.. which I doubt will stop them... they will just continue to use economics to bully.

I would expect not a huge number of Su-35s over the 96 odd they want... they are very good aircraft but they wont have the budget or pilots for many more, besides if they buy too many now they will have less money for PAK FA and fewer pilots too.

From what information is available the Su-35 uses a lot of the early avionics intended for the first PAK FA so in a sense it it a 4++ gen fighter with 5- gen avionics, so in that sense it will be good experience for fighters and support crew to tease out the bugs and find what works well and what needs more work.

In terms of production it means the sub contractors that make the parts get them into production earlier and can optimise production techniques and sort out any production bugs too.

TR1 wrote:You gonna pay for it?

The number of new 4th gen airframes Russia is buying is quite good for its defense spending.

tr1 wrote:I swear, some of you guys have no conception of what Russia actually needs/what it can pay for.

TR1 wrote:MiG-29SMT - 50
MiG-29K - 24
MiG-35 - ~30
Su-34 - ~170
Su-35 - 112
Su-30SM - 110-140
Su-30M2 - 20
Su-27SM/SM3 - 14

Tentative Total : ~530-560

My Tentative list for "new" (post-Soviet) airframes that will be around by 2020.

I fail to see how this is a bad number.

TR1 wrote:The only current MiG-29SMT orders are the 16 airframes ordered until the MiG-35 is ready.

Add that to the 34 Algerian birds, and that is where I got 50 from.

There were two additional Su-27SM3 modernized recently, but aside from that AFAIK the program is over.

George1 wrote:

TR1 wrote:The only current MiG-29SMT orders are the 16 airframes ordered until the MiG-35 is ready.

Add that to the 34 Algerian birds, and that is where I got 50 from.

There were two additional Su-27SM3 modernized recently, but aside from that AFAIK the program is over.

maybe we have another order of 16 MiG-29SMT, until MiG-35

TR1 wrote:The only current MiG-29SMT orders are the 16 airframes ordered until the MiG-35 is ready.

Add that to the 34 Algerian birds, and that is where I got 50 from.

There were two additional Su-27SM3 modernized recently, but aside from that AFAIK the program is over.

TR1 wrote:Plan is for 96 through 2020, though they mentioned the 2nd batch might be increased in size modestly.

T-50 won't be built at 12 per year from 2016, you can count on that.

There have been 20 Su-30M2 ordered, and likely no more.
60 Su-30SM for VVS, and VMF has ordered a small amount with a floated interest in 50 birds. Past that we can only guess.

TR1 wrote:MiG-29SMT - 50
MiG-29K - 24
MiG-35 - ~30
Su-34 - ~170
Su-35 - 112
Su-30SM - 110-140
Su-30M2 - 20
Su-27SM/SM3 - 14

Tentative Total : ~530-560

My Tentative list for "new" (post-Soviet) airframes that will be around by 2020.

I fail to see how this is a bad number.

nemrod wrote:Russians strategists don't think like that, they are infinietly more cleaver than we could  imagine. Russia is in war against west, espiaclally US. To build more SU-35, and Mig-35 implies to spend more ressources in military industrial complex, Russia cannot afford it. It is in fact the trap tended by US. China has at least 400 SU-27 derived, India has several hundreds SU-27, and Mig-29. China became the world economy, it has more ressources to spend. India, has growing economy too, these countries has huge ressources. Moreover, there are other countries in the world that are interresting by SU-35, and Mig-35, there are all challenges for US.
The first batch of 24 SU-34 will arrive at China in 2016. Beijin is planning to build several hundreds, if not thousands of SU-27 derived products, with huge amounts of benefits for Russia, without straining its economy. China has nearly several trillions of dollars availlable, and all this amount will pressure US without spending one rouble for Russia. India, Vietnam, North Korea are planning to build, or buy more SU-27, and SU-50. The declining western economies could not sustain this race, and Russia will be the ultimate winner.
SU-35, and Mig-35 are a very usefull cards between russian strategists not only in military areas.