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    Post  Viktor Mon Jan 26, 2015 6:42 pm

    Yak-152 will fly this year thumbsup

    Russian Air Force will receive a new "flying desk"
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    Post  Honesroc Tue Jan 27, 2015 3:47 am

    Specialists of Akhtubinsk State Proving Flying Center of the Russian Ministry of Defense will carry out testing of A-100 “Premier” AWACS aircraft in 2015, RIA Novosti reports with reference to the representative of the press-service of Russian Ministry of Defense on Air Forces, Colonel Igor Klimov.

    “The most important vehicles to be tested in 2015 are: PAK FA, MiG-29 K/KUB developed for Russian navy, MiG-35, Il-112, Tu-142MRM, Il-22M, Il-114R, A-100, Tu-214R, Ka-60 and Mi-28NM helicopters as well as other weapons,” Klimov said.

    A-100 “Premier” is the Airborne Warning And Control System (AWACS) aircraft derived from Il-76MD-90A powered by PS-90A-76 engines. The jet will be fitted with active phased antenna array. The first aircraft of the type should be delivered to Russian air forces in 2016. On November 21st 2014 Beriev Aircraft Company took delivery of the first Il-76MD-90A jet and started converting it into A-100 AWACS aircraft.

    “In 2014 Chkalov State Flight Test Center carried out 132 tests (85 of them were flight tests). The specialists participated in testing of new, upgraded and advanced aircraft, for example, they took part in testing of PAK FA fighter carried out in Akhtubinsk,” Klimov added.

    He noted that the most important vehicles tested in 2014 are: Su-35/35S “4++”-generation super-maneuverable multi-role fighters, MiG-31BM two-seat supersonic all-weather long-range fighter-interceptors, MiG-29SMT light fighters, Yak-130 operational trainers, Il-76MD-90A transport aircraft; Ka-52 Alligator, Mi-28N Night Hunter, Mi-35M and Ka-27M helicopters as well as other weapons.
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    Post  Austin Thu Jan 29, 2015 8:29 am

    Good News Keeps coming for IL-96

    Russian Military and Government Takes Surplus Il-96 Airliners


    The Russian government is set to procure 14 Ilyushin Il-96s over the next 10 years, thereby ensuring continued production of the four-engined airliner. Eleven will be for the ministry of defense (MoD), including conversions into command and control or aerial refueling aircraft. Three or four will be rebuilds of used Il-96-400T freighters, and the rest will be new production.

    The VASO factory in Voronezh has already completed an Ilyushin Il-96-400VPU aerial command and control aircraft for SN FSB, the special assignment department of the Federal Security Service. It is a rebuild of RA-96104, an Il-96-400T freighter built in 2011 and leased to Polyet Airlines by Ilyushin Finance Co. (IFC). The latter repossessed it plus three similar aircraft after the airline ran into financial trouble. The worsening economic situation in the Russian airline industry (due to U.S./EU sanctions and the declining value of the rouble) made it unlikely that IFC could place these aircraft elsewhere. The aircraft resumed flying in November 2014 with a distinctive satellite communication antenna on the upper side of the rear fuselage while keeping remains of Polyet’s livery.

    This month, the Russian defense ministry awarded United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) a contract for two Il-96-400TZ aircraft. The suffix Z indicates an aerial refueling role (Z for “zapravshik” meaning “tanker”). The MoD said that the new tankers shall be able to transfer 65 tons of jet fuel at a point 3,500 km from takeoff. They shall be equipped with containerized UPAZ-1 universal apparatus already in use on the Il-78/78M, these being the current standard air tankers of the Russian air force. The larger and longer-range Il-96-400TZs would primarily serve Russian strategic bombers on long-endurance missions hour patrols well beyond national borders.

    VASO general manager Sergei Urasov told Russian journalists that two Il-96-400s are destined for the air detachment serving the president of Russia. This already operates four Il-96-300PU aircraft and awaits a fifth late this year. The Il-96-300 version with maximum takeoff weight of 240 to 250 tons preceded the Il-96-400 stretch whose mtow is boosted to 270 tons, and the range to more than 12,000 km.

    Meantime, sources in the Russian airline industry indicate that most of the Il-96s previously operated by Aeroflot and other commercial airlines are likely to make their way into Russian government service. Airframes unworthy of a factory rebuild will be dismantled for parts to support operational aircraft.

    The only possible exception to this rule would be a couple of ex-Aeroflot jets that might find their way to Cubana, the only foreign operator of the type. On December 24, the intergovernmental commission for trade, economic and scientific-research cooperation between Russia and Cuba signed a preliminary contract between IFC and Aviaimport S.A., to place an Il-96-300 with the Cuban national carrier. Delivery is due in this year's second quarter, and will increase Cubana’s fleet to six aircraft.
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    Post  George1 Mon Feb 02, 2015 2:16 pm

    Yak-152 trainer aircraft to perform its maiden flight in autumn

    Yak-152 light trainer aircraft developed for Russian Ministry of Defense should perform its maiden flight in autumn, TASS reports with reference to Deputy Director General on Flight Testing of Yakovlev design bureau, Hero of Russia, Roman Taskaev.

    “We plan that Yak-152 will perform its maiden flight in September or October 2015. Irkutsk Aviation Plant has already started production of the aircraft’s components. Ramenskoe-based design bureau is developing aircraft control system and working on adjustment of algorithms,” Taskaev said.

    He reminded that in late 2014 the mockup committee made its comments on the project. At present designers are working on eliminating the faults noted in the comments and making changes in the documentation.

    “After the first flights we hope to move the jet to Zhukovsky-based Gromov Flight Research Institute. There we will prepare the vehicle for state testing, which will be started in 2016,” he added.

    In 2014 Yakovlev design bureau won the tender for development of Yak-152 aircraft for Russian Ministry of Defense; the project is designated “Ptichka-VVS”. The value of this contract is 300 million rubles.

    It is expected that the new aircraft will be powered by a piston diesel engine. This aircraft will help cadets learn to pilot the Yak-130 jet quicker and easier, after that they will start piloting combat jets. It was reported earlier that Yak-152 should perform its maiden flight in 2015. The vehicle should be put into service not later than November 25th 2016.
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    Post  Viktor Tue Feb 03, 2015 11:07 pm

    WoW ...

    New Russian Military Helicopter to Have Top Speed of 400 Kmph

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 04, 2015 3:41 am

    Viktor wrote:WoW ...

    New Russian Military Helicopter to Have Top Speed of 400 Kmph


    Isn't this just the Ka-92/Mi-X1 competition? There really hasn't been any updates on the project, MOD has been really hush hush about it.
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Feb 04, 2015 6:39 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Viktor wrote:WoW ...

    New Russian Military Helicopter to Have Top Speed of 400 Kmph


    Isn't this just the Ka-92/Mi-X1 competition? There really hasn't been any updates on the project, MOD has been really hush hush about it.

    Because they will not enter service before 2018-2020, no need to make fuzz about it when they are far away of completing them.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:46 am

    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Viktor wrote:WoW ...

    New Russian Military Helicopter to Have Top Speed of 400 Kmph


    Isn't this just the Ka-92/Mi-X1 competition? There really hasn't been any updates on the project, MOD has been really hush hush about it.

    Because they will not enter service before 2018-2020, no need to make fuzz about it when they are far away of completing them.

    Which makes sense, btw I'm really looking forward to the VK-3000 engine development!
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    Post  Werewolf Wed Feb 04, 2015 8:11 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Viktor wrote:WoW ...

    New Russian Military Helicopter to Have Top Speed of 400 Kmph


    Isn't this just the Ka-92/Mi-X1 competition? There really hasn't been any updates on the project, MOD has been really hush hush about it.

    Because they will not enter service before 2018-2020, no need to make fuzz about it when they are far away of completing them.

    Which makes sense, btw I'm really looking forward to the VK-3000 engine development!

    They will be based on TV7-117V engines which already have ~2700 shp standard as continuose power with 3750 shp emergency OEI (one engine inoperable) for 30 sec.

    They are already now designated to be replacement for Mi-35M,Mi-28NM,Ka-52 as soon as they decide to upgrade from the current VK-2500-02 and the newest build have already VK-2500PS engines with with 2500 shp nominal, the VK-2500-02 have 2400.
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    Post  Werewolf Thu Feb 05, 2015 1:03 pm

    Новый военно-транспортный вертолет, который должен заменить знаменитый Ми-8, будет создан до 2018 года, сообщил в четверг РИА Новости источник в российском военно-промышленном комплексе.
    "Первый прототип перспективного среднего транспортно-десантного вертолета будет создан через два или три года. Фактически это — глубокая переработка прославленного Ми-8", — сказал собеседник агентства.
    При создании нового вертолета, который по размерам будет "немного крупнее Ми-8", "в качестве концептуального образца был выбран Ми-35М".
    По словам источника, новая машина будет обладать более высокими летно-техническими характеристиками, большей экономичностью, грузоподъемностью, дальностью полета. На вертолете планируется установка бортового радиоэлектронного оборудования отечественного производства.
    "Это будет принципиально новый вертолет с современной бортовой электроникой. Он будет сделан в защищенном варианте — получит бортовой комплекс обороны, то есть индивидуальную защиту летательного аппарата от его поражения всеми типами оружия", — рассказал собеседник агентства.

    The new military transport helicopter, which is to replace the famous Mi-8, will be created by 2018, said Thursday RIA Novosti source in the Russian military-industrial complex.
    "The first prototype of the average long-term transport and assault helicopters will be created in two or three years. In fact it is - deep processing of the famous Mi-8" - a spokesman said.
    When creating a new helicopter that size would be "slightly larger than the Mi-8", "as the concept of the sample was selected Mi-35M".
    According to the source, the new machine will have a higher flight performance, greater efficiency, capacity, flight range. The helicopter is planned to install avionics domestic production.
    "It will be a brand new helicopter with modern on-board electronics. It will be placed in a protected form - get airborne defense, that is, individual protection of the aircraft from its defeat all types of weapons", - told the agency.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:31 am

    Probably a high speed model with a pusher propeller...

    This from Mil:

    VVS Russian Air Force: News #1 - Page 38 _mg_5510

    or possibly this from Kamov:

    VVS Russian Air Force: News #1 - Page 38 _mg_5511
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:32 am

    Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:35 am

    Werewolf wrote:Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.

    ...BTW does anyone find it funny that Sikorsky is turning in to a Kamov clone as of late with their designs? lol1
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    Post  Werewolf Fri Feb 06, 2015 9:44 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.

    ...BTW does anyone find it funny that Sikorsky is turning in to a Kamov clone as of late with their designs? lol1

    No, but what i find funny are the american fanboys on internet, calling everything that russia makes a clone of UH-60, AH-1,AH-64 but are know even so cocky to claim that such prototypes as S-97/X-2 are somehow innovative and superior, without knowing anything about rotor arrangement or that such stiff plastic rotors like S-97 uses are horrible for any battlefield where even 7.62mm rounds fly around but are always the first one to claim Ka-50/52 will be shot down with one single round to the rotor...that i find really funny.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Feb 07, 2015 7:31 pm

    Werewolf wrote:
    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    Werewolf wrote:Most certainly and maybe even with stubbed wings like on Mi-24 for extra lift which translates in better speeds.

    ...BTW does anyone find it funny that Sikorsky is turning in to a Kamov clone as of late with their designs? lol1

    No, but what i find funny are the american fanboys on internet, calling everything that russia makes a clone of UH-60, AH-1,AH-64 but are know even so cocky to claim that such prototypes as S-97/X-2 are somehow innovative and superior, without knowing anything about rotor arrangement or that such stiff plastic rotors like S-97 uses are horrible for any battlefield where even 7.62mm rounds fly around but are always the first one to claim Ka-50/52 will be shot down with one single round to the rotor...that i find really funny.

    This is starting to look just like the smoothbore, autoloader, GLATGM debate were NATO-Stronk trolls were claiming they were terrible ideas, only for them to be eventually adopted by NATO military's; and now their claims against the co-axial rotors are now falling by the wayside. Funny you should bring up the fact that 7.62mm bullets will be flying around, seeing how DOD/Pentagon's lack of demand for BP glass for their Apaches leaves their cockpits vulnerable to that very caliber, and it's likely the S-97 will have the same problem (if there's no demand).

    However the biggest irony, the one that takes the cake is that the guy who founded Sikorsky helicopters was in fact a citizen of the Russian empire lmao!!! lol1
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    Post  Viktor Fri Feb 13, 2015 6:25 pm

    5 Tu-160 and 9 Tu-22M3 will be modernized during 2015 thumbsup

    Air Force Commander: five Tu-160 and Tu-22M3 nine come out repairs in 2015
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    Post  Kimppis Sat Feb 14, 2015 12:22 pm

    How many Su-35 are they planning to build by 2020 or so? They have something like 48 right now if I'm not mistaken... So are they going to deliver around 12 per year moving forward or are there any plans to increase production? I mean they are going to build T-50s at a rate of 12 per year so from 2016... So it would be logical to deliver more Su-35s? How about Su-30? 60 T-50S, 100+ Su-35s and even more Su-30s by 2020 or something like that?
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    Post  TR1 Sat Feb 14, 2015 10:02 pm

    Plan is for 96 through 2020, though they mentioned the 2nd batch might be increased in size modestly.

    T-50 won't be built at 12 per year from 2016, you can count on that.

    There have been 20 Su-30M2 ordered, and likely no more.
    60 Su-30SM for VVS, and VMF has ordered a small amount with a floated interest in 50 birds. Past that we can only guess.
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    Post  nemrod Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:19 am

    Kimppis wrote:How many Su-35 are they planning to build by 2020 or so? They have something like 48 right now if I'm not mistaken... So are they going to deliver around 12 per year moving forward or are there any plans to increase production? I mean they are going to build T-50s at a rate of 12 per year so from 2016... So it would be logical to deliver more Su-35s? How about Su-30? 60 T-50S, 100+ Su-35s and even more Su-30s by 2020 or something like that?

    Russians strategists don't think like that, they are infinietly more cleaver than we could  imagine. Russia is in war against west, espiaclally US. To build more SU-35, and Mig-35 implies to spend more ressources in military industrial complex, Russia cannot afford it. It is in fact the trap tended by US. China has at least 400 SU-27 derived, India has several hundreds SU-27, and Mig-29. China became the world economy, it has more ressources to spend. India, has growing economy too, these countries has huge ressources. Moreover, there are other countries in the world that are interresting by SU-35, and Mig-35, there are all challenges for US.
    The first batch of 24 SU-34 will arrive at China in 2016. Beijin is planning to build several hundreds, if not thousands of SU-27 derived products, with huge amounts of benefits for Russia, without straining its economy. China has nearly several trillions of dollars availlable, and all this amount will pressure US without spending one rouble for Russia. India, Vietnam, North Korea are planning to build, or buy more SU-27, and SU-50. The declining western economies could not sustain this race, and Russia will be the ultimate winner.
    SU-35, and Mig-35 are a very usefull cards between russian strategists not only in military areas.
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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 15, 2015 10:39 pm

    The proliferation of the Su-35 and MiG-35 really don't effect Russia directly... except the income they will derive from sales and support, for the US however the more of these planes around the harder it will become for them to use military means to bully other countries into things.. which I doubt will stop them... they will just continue to use economics to bully.

    I would expect not a huge number of Su-35s over the 96 odd they want... they are very good aircraft but they wont have the budget or pilots for many more, besides if they buy too many now they will have less money for PAK FA and fewer pilots too.

    From what information is available the Su-35 uses a lot of the early avionics intended for the first PAK FA so in a sense it it a 4++ gen fighter with 5- gen avionics, so in that sense it will be good experience for fighters and support crew to tease out the bugs and find what works well and what needs more work.

    In terms of production it means the sub contractors that make the parts get them into production earlier and can optimise production techniques and sort out any production bugs too.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:09 pm

    GarryB wrote:The proliferation of the Su-35 and MiG-35 really don't effect Russia directly... except the income they will derive from sales and support, for the US however the more of these planes around the harder it will become for them to use military means to bully other countries into things.. which I doubt will stop them... they will just continue to use economics to bully.

    I would expect not a huge number of Su-35s over the 96 odd they want... they are very good aircraft but they wont have the budget or pilots for many more, besides if they buy too many now they will have less money for PAK FA and fewer pilots too.

    From what information is available the Su-35 uses a lot of the early avionics intended for the first PAK FA so in a sense it it a 4++ gen fighter with 5- gen avionics, so in that sense it will be good experience for fighters and support crew to tease out the bugs and find what works well and what needs more work.

    In terms of production it means the sub contractors that make the parts get them into production earlier and can optimise production techniques and sort out any production bugs too.

    96 aircraft is a pathetic number.  Russia has a huge aging fleet of aircrafts and there is constant threat from US now at her borders, and cannot find money + pilots for it?  You gotta be kidding me.  $50M per pilot is not a lot, and they definately need them, as the Su-27's are barely in enough numbers, and same with MiG-29's.  Russia is a huge country and there is almost 150M population, they need the aircrafts badly.  While US has roughly twice that in terms of newer aircrafts, Russia is screwed in a fight, so they need these Su-35's and MiG-29M's in huge numbers or things can get ugly real fast for Russia even trying to defend its own territory.

    The number of T-50's proposed, 250, is a pathetic number too, when Soviet Union was able to produce 500 MiG-31's and far more MiG-29's, Su-27's and fielding previous gen aircrafts at same time. Russia put all the others in reserve, graveyard, while operating a pathetic fleet of MiG-29's, Su-27's and Su-24's with a few modern jets here and there. So Russia is in no position to even defend itself conventionally. Su-35's to replace all Su-27's and MiG-35 to replace all MiG-29's plus upgrade all current MiG-29's and replacing Su-24's 1 to 1 with Su-34's is where they need to go, or they will be heavily under protected and heavily outgunned real quick.
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    Post  TR1 Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:32 pm

    You gonna pay for it?

    The number of new 4th gen airframes Russia is buying is quite good for its defense spending.

    I swear, some of you guys have no conception of what Russia actually needs/what it can pay for.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:39 pm

    TR1 wrote:You gonna pay for it?

    The number of new 4th gen airframes Russia is buying is quite good for its defense spending.

    Currently it is, I admit.  But the problem is, they have a real aging airforce and with NATO's pressuring Russia, it is becoming evident that they will need more soon to counter NATO.  Roughly, Russia has around 830 fighter or so combat aircraft in service, but that is somewhat decent for such a large nation, but not that good.  As well, who will pay for it?  Well, they will have to pay for it which is a lot less than paying for what could be a problem after a war which is far greater payments.  As well, if they stretch it out for the next x amount of years, then it shouldn't be a problem (and ultimately, prices will drop over time as production will be up).  As well, they could opt for building a plane that meets somewhere inbetween the Su-35, PAK FA and MiG-35.  Something cheaper.  The idea of a single jet engine plane would have been a good one, something with an RD-93 engine and more modern equipment onboard but ultimately cheaper (like Su-34 or cheaper) would be ideal to get in numbers.  Su-30 series is also a good step too.

    tr1 wrote:I swear, some of you guys have no conception of what Russia actually needs/what it can pay for.

    Well, theoretically, after time, it would become much cheaper to produce them.  Maybe more MiG-29M's for Russia would also be good as an alternative.  Su-30MK2 runs at around $37M per aircraft.  If they spent $20B (which they spend much more than that on other programs, and $20B being peanuts to Russia ultimately) could produce roughly 500 Su-30MK2's and that is just using current known figures, figures that could be export prices.  Just an example. Stretch that $20B to the next lets say 10 years, and that is: $2B a year.
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    Post  TR1 Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:52 pm

    MiG-29SMT - 50
    MiG-29K - 24
    MiG-35 - ~30
    Su-34 - ~170
    Su-35 - 112
    Su-30SM - 110-140
    Su-30M2 - 20
    Su-27SM/SM3 - 14

    Tentative Total : ~530-560

    My Tentative list for "new" (post-Soviet) airframes that will be around by 2020.

    I fail to see how this is a bad number.
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    Post  sepheronx Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:55 pm

    TR1 wrote:MiG-29SMT - 50
    MiG-29K - 24
    MiG-35 - ~30
    Su-34 - ~170
    Su-35 - 112
    Su-30SM - 110-140
    Su-30M2 - 20
    Su-27SM/SM3 - 14

    Tentative Total : ~530-560

    My Tentative list for "new" (post-Soviet) airframes that will be around by 2020.

    I fail to see how this is a bad number.

    Is there anymore orders for further MiG-29SMT? There is quite a few MiG-29's in service so upgrading them shouldn't be that costly, no? What about Su-27SM and SM3?

    As well, by anychance, do you have the figures on how much it cost for the Su-27SM3?

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