VVS Russian Air Force: News #1

MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – Russia will deploy four additional Su-25 ground attack aircraft at the Kant airbase in Kyrgyzstan in 2014, Russia’s Central Military District said Monday.

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140203/187169182/Russia-to-Deploy-More-Su-25-Combat-Planes-at-Kyrgyz-Airbase.html

Love the Frogfoot. Still a very capable aircraft even if a bit old and outdated.

zg18 wrote:

MOSCOW, January 3 (RIA Novosti) – Russia will deploy four additional Su-25 ground attack aircraft at the Kant airbase in Kyrgyzstan in 2014, Russia’s Central Military District said Monday.

http://en.ria.ru/military_news/20140203/187169182/Russia-to-Deploy-More-Su-25-Combat-Planes-at-Kyrgyz-Airbase.html

Far from an expert, but isn't Kant perfect to deploy multirole SU-30SM?

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Love the Frogfoot. Still a very capable aircraft even if a bit old and outdated.

The upgraded models should be able to carry a broad range of guided air to ground weapons including Hermes guided missiles in packs of 8 per pylon, and also satellite guided rockets and missiles and bombs.

With a Damocles pod they could be even more useful.

It could be older than your grandpa, but it doesn't matter. You can't really say something's outdated, if it's as relevant in modern warfare as it's ever been and there's no better model in existence that's at efficient as doing the same job.

The Mosin-Nagant rifle was the bread-and-butter of the Russian/Soviet army for the better part of 5-6 decades with very little modification and yet no-one called it outdated until well into WW2 when advancements in infantry small-arms were progressing rapidly.

The AK design is still not outdated even today; with some small modifications now and again it has persisted for well over half a century; it's latest incarnation fulfills all the requirements of today's modern assault rifles.

It's really an accomplishment when a piece of engineering lasts so long; of course it's more common in simpler, smaller designs than large ones like aircraft - but even there we have another precedent; the Mi-24 which while now superceded by the Ka-52 & Mi-28; via its latest versions/modernisations is still as modern an attack helicopter as any other. And it has capabilities that no others do; such as being able to carry a full troop load or a bunch of ammo/missiles for its own rearmament in the field, meaning that it doesn't technically have to even return to base to re-arm. As such it's still essential for certain niches.

Nice   

Bahini: air accidents in the Russian Air Force for the year was three times less РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140204/992962914.html#ixzz2sNXwLzV3




Interesting. We know that Russia received 78 new aircraft during 2013 and now story goes that it received 150 (so I gues 72 where modernized or put back in operations)

During 2014 that number tends to rise all the way to 300. Anyone has some more insight.

Military Russian fleet replenished every year increasingly

MOSCOW, February 4 - RIA Novosti. Russian armed forces in 2014 will have to adopt the order of 300 new aircraft - twice as many as in 2013, said First Deputy Defense Minister Army General Arkady Bahini

GarryB wrote:

Love the Frogfoot. Still a very capable aircraft even if a bit old and outdated.

The upgraded models should be able to carry a broad range of guided air to ground weapons including Hermes guided missiles in packs of 8 per pylon, and also satellite guided rockets and missiles and bombs.

With a Damocles pod they could be even more useful.

Sorry GarryB, missed your post.
Yes definitely. I wish our government went that way...sadly our Froogfoots are left to rust...

flamming_python wrote:It could be older than your grandpa, but it doesn't matter. You can't really say something's outdated, if it's as relevant in modern warfare as it's ever been and there's no better model in existence that's at efficient as doing the same job.

The Mosin-Nagant rifle was the bread-and-butter of the Russian/Soviet army for the better part of 5-6 decades with very little modification and yet no-one called it outdated until well into WW2 when advancements in infantry small-arms were progressing rapidly.

The AK design is still not outdated even today; with some small modifications now and again it has persisted for well over half a century; it's latest incarnation fulfills all the requirements of today's modern assault rifles.

It's really an accomplishment when a piece of engineering lasts so long; of course it's more common in simpler, smaller designs than large ones like aircraft - but even there we have another precedent; the Mi-24 which while now superceded by the Ka-52 & Mi-28; via its latest versions/modernisations is still as modern an attack helicopter as any other. And it has capabilities that no others do; such as being able to carry a full troop load or a bunch of ammo/missiles for its own rearmament in the field, meaning that it doesn't technically have to even return to base to re-arm. As such it's still essential for certain niches.

Thanks FP for that long answer. Though I'm not an expert myself (apart from what I've read on forums like this one, and other open source info), I'd say that it a flawed comparison. A proper one would be perhaps with another aircraft. Very true on the bolded part though (that's why I first stated that I like this particular aircraft).

Well to stay relevant Su-25SM3 badly needs all the defensive aids promised + modern munitions eventually. In a modern environment the Su-25, hell even the SM, are absolutely outdated, even if they can still be very useful.

Viktor wrote:Nice   

Bahini: air accidents in the Russian Air Force for the year was three times less   РИА Новости http://ria.ru/defense_safety/20140204/992962914.html#ixzz2sNXwLzV3




Interesting. We know that Russia received 78 new aircraft during 2013 and now story goes that it received 150 (so I gues 72 where modernized or put back in operations)

During 2014 that number tends to rise all the way to 300. Anyone has some more insight.

Military Russian fleet replenished every year increasingly

MOSCOW, February 4 - RIA Novosti. Russian armed forces in 2014 will have to adopt the order of 300 new aircraft - twice as many as in 2013, said First Deputy Defense Minister Army General Arkady Bahini

I think this goes for both, planes and helicopters and as I know RuAF receive around 150 new build planes and helicopters.

flamming_python wrote:It could be older than your grandpa, but it doesn't matter. You can't really say something's outdated, if it's as relevant in modern warfare as it's ever been and there's no better model in existence that's at efficient as doing the same job.

The Mosin-Nagant rifle was the bread-and-butter of the Russian/Soviet army for the better part of 5-6 decades with very little modification and yet no-one called it outdated until well into WW2 when advancements in infantry small-arms were progressing rapidly.

The AK design is still not outdated even today; with some small modifications now and again it has persisted for well over half a century; it's latest incarnation fulfills all the requirements of today's modern assault rifles.

It's really an accomplishment when a piece of engineering lasts so long; of course it's more common in simpler, smaller designs than large ones like aircraft - but even there we have another precedent; the Mi-24 which while now superceded by the Ka-52 & Mi-28; via its latest versions/modernisations is still as modern an attack helicopter as any other. And it has capabilities that no others do; such as being able to carry a full troop load or a bunch of ammo/missiles for its own rearmament in the field, meaning that it doesn't technically have to even return to base to re-arm. As such it's still essential for certain niches.

Actually since the Mi-24 cargo room was most of the time and is still used most of the time just for additional ammunition for the helicopter, i thaught why not installing a mechanism for rearming the weapons.
Empty weapons on pylons are forced inside the cargo room via a track and inside new B-8B20 NUR pods are reloaded and forced into their normal position via the same track.

No time wasted to land and taking 15 minutes to reload the NUR rockets.

Werewolf wrote:
Actually since the Mi-24 cargo room was most of the time and is still used most of the time just for additional ammunition for the helicopter, i thaught why not installing a mechanism for rearming the weapons.
Empty weapons on pylons are forced inside the cargo room via a track and inside new B-8B20 NUR pods are reloaded and forced into their normal position via the same track.

No time wasted to land and taking 15 minutes to reload the NUR rockets.

too much complication of added machinery and ofc. weight.

Very important aircraft, and for the vast airspace of Russia, AWACS are very important.

Ground based radar is more widely deployed than in NATO... AWACS are used more as gap fillers or as support for groups of interceptors or attackers.

Sorry GarryB, missed your post.
Yes definitely. I wish our government went that way...sadly our Froogfoots are left to rust...

The details of the Su-25SM upgrade are not widely known but avionics upgrades to improve stand off target detection and engagement, better self defence aides,and new weapons to engage targets from further away are likely the most useful upgrades.

A proper one would be perhaps with another aircraft.

Most aircraft become rapidly old and outdated... the original F-16 was supposed to be armed with two wing tip mounted sidewinder AAMs and it was supposed to remain a light day dogfighter... if it stayed that it would be old and outdated.

Fortunately most aircraft get regular upgrades and improvements to raise performance and address shortcomings found.

For instance while the Mig-29 in its original model was a relatively simple short range point interceptor the new Mig-29M2 is a fully multirole ground attack fighter bomber able to perform a range of missions largely independent of ground control... unlike the original that was heavily dependent on ground control vans.

In a modern environment the Su-25, hell even the SM, are absolutely outdated, even if they can still be very useful.

In a WWIII vs NATO conflict.. yes. Against Afghanistan 2015 taking down poppy fields with incendiary bombs like the ZAB series, then they would not need much different equipment than that fitted during the 1980s.

Actually since the Mi-24 cargo room was most of the time and is still used most of the time just for additional ammunition for the helicopter, i thaught why not installing a mechanism for rearming the weapons.
Empty weapons on pylons are forced inside the cargo room via a track and inside new B-8B20 NUR pods are reloaded and forced into their normal position via the same track.

After analysing experience it was found that for small troop insertions it was OK but for normal landings and recoveries the Mi-8/17 got the men in and out faster... which was much safer.
Experience showed the enemy tended to keep their heads down and hide when a Hind approached and then pop up and fire at the rear of the departing aircraft.
This led to suggestions for a tail mounted remotely operated 50 cal gatling with ammo in the troop compartment optimised for laying down suppressive fire as the Hind flew away.

The competition for the Su-25 also actually had a tail gunner and a rear facing twin barrel cannon mount.

Personally I would go for inner wing pylon mounted gatlings in 23mm calibre with belt feeds leading into the rear cabin allowing ammo loads of possibly 3-4 thousand rounds to be carried and ready to fire.

There are several models of gunpod the Soviets used that were pylon mounted but had some ability to rotate and aim the guns in flight... that would be my choice for using cabin space.

The issue is our Rooks are not bombing Afgan poppy farmers. They are finding themselves in situations like Georgia, where for all its success, the Su-25 showed it BADLY needs modern defensive aids.

the Su-25 showed it BADLY needs modern defensive aids.

Which the Su-25TM had but was rejected by the Air Force because it was too expensive.

Hopefully new defensive DIRCMS systems being developed for helos and large aircraft and possibly also vehicles will also be applied to the Rook.

Yes the DIRCM is what I think it needs, as well as a full MAWS and ECM suit.

I am waiting for the first pics of 2014 SMs, hopefully they will have it all. No point in upgrading otherwise at this point.

WoW   

"MiG" double the production of aircraft in three years

- at present: 16 fighters per year
- 2015: 24 fighters per year
- 2017: 30 fighters per year

BTW does Mig has that kind of order to make 30 aircraft per year ?

Russian Helicopters Showcases Range of Twins

Austin wrote:BTW does Mig has that kind of order to make 30 aircraft per year ?

Russian Helicopters Showcases Range of Twins

It is possible I guess, assuming VVS follows up order of SMTs + K/KUB, as well as demands the MiG-35 within a short timeframe. Add an export order or two, and it is certainly possible.

Just for domestic purposes I doubt it. NAPO and Irkut have much bigger orders as well as established production lines, and you don't see them worrying about making that many birds in one year for the VVS.

More details on Chinese-Russian Wide Body ( pg 15 ) , they are targetting for A-330 replacement next decade   

http://in.zinio.com/reader.jsp?issue=416294760&e=true

350km + circle radar range on the left display   

12 Ka-52 delivered to Pskov base

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New Su-30M2


WoW   

In the Saratov region delivered 25 helicopters Ansat-U

Thanks Viktor.

Short report of Su-35S and Su-30SM at GLITs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nE4bUgQW4Zw