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    Post  ult Thu Sep 10, 2015 1:50 pm

    Neirdark wrote:Inside the Armata T-14  russia

    Look up before posting.
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    Post  Dima Thu Sep 10, 2015 7:24 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Gur Khan photo op lol...

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    Alexey is also a very nice person. I like him even though I have difference of opinion on some matters... Had the chance to interact with him and he is always ready to answer your queries. On top of it, he is very dedicated to whatever he does, that's what I felt when ever I got his reply for my queries. Highly appreciated his effort in sending reply and in every single mail he had original text in Russian and below it its English translation with his own effort with google translate.
    Thank You Dear Alexey just in case you happen to read this.
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    Post  Project Canada Fri Sep 11, 2015 1:40 am

    Armata designers explain why one unit stalled during victory parade rehearsals. anyone who can translate?

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    Post  Mike E Fri Sep 11, 2015 2:26 am

    As suspected, UVG claims the driver engaged the break (certainly the hand break).
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    Post  Vann7 Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:12 am

    Mike E wrote:As suspected, UVG claims the driver engaged the break (certainly the hand break).

    Unfortunately there was much more than that.. there was a video of a T-15 that also stopped working.. it had to be towed . That time seemed a problem with the engine ,failing to move the
    tank. and some oil leaks.. signs of not mature engines.. But Armata still is in prototype state..
    so is natural that problem should surface.
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    Post  Mike E Fri Sep 11, 2015 8:13 am

    That was just a locked gear of some sort. Probably a small issue in the transmission control system, and nothing to worry about.
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    Post  Flyboy77 Sun Sep 13, 2015 10:52 am

    Just wondering with the Armata being shown at RAE, was there any reports/article/videos that answer the question why they decided not to integrate a coaxial machine gun into the tank?
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    Post  Khepesh Sun Sep 13, 2015 12:49 pm

    Parts of this video have been seen already in better resolution on Zvezda Youtube channel and their reports over the last few days, but only short clips. Here is all 43 minutes, but crap quality and I cannot find better at the moment.
    Armata-terra ingognita
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    Post  Stealthflanker Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:04 am

    Too bad that that documentary does not detail Armata's autoloader system.

    Im curious if it's similar as one used in US M1 TTB.
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:10 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:Too bad that that documentary does not detail Armata's autoloader system.

    Im curious if it's similar as one used in US M1 TTB.
    The documentary didn't detail much, to be honest.

    We already know that it uses a version of the vertical autoloader from the Object-195, which was somewhat similar with the TTB autoloader.
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    Post  sepheronx Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:12 am

    Curiously enough, why is that US decided not to use the autoloader in their tanks?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:31 am

    sepheronx wrote:Curiously enough, why is that US decided not to use the autoloader in their tanks?

    CUZ dare armeaters, even if the turret is uninhabited, the autoloader will find a way to eat the arms. Autoloaders eat arms like Oreo's... Rolling Eyes


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    Post  Stealthflanker Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:36 am

    sepheronx wrote:Curiously enough, why is that US decided not to use the autoloader in their tanks?

    they don't feel it necessary. as the 120mm round can still be handled by man.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Mon Sep 14, 2015 5:46 am

    Stealthflanker wrote:
    sepheronx wrote:Curiously enough, why is that US decided not to use the autoloader in their tanks?

    they don't feel it necessary. as the 120mm round can still be handled by man.


    But the problem is when you actually have to fight a competent opponents OPFOR, will the guy loading shells be as efficient after 8 hours of intense adrenaline fueled battles? Even if there were several lulls in action within the 8 hours worth of battles, the adrenaline dumps the human body experiences can seriously eat away at a persons stamina.
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    Post  higurashihougi Mon Sep 14, 2015 6:24 am

    sepheronx wrote:Curiously enough, why is that US decided not to use the autoloader in their tanks?

    Because Germany hasn't made any autoloader in Leopard 2 for the U.S. to copy.
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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:40 am

    That's the decission they went for in the 1970's (no autoloader)....at the time, having an autoloader was a revolutionary development and probably considered too risky.

    The newer Leclerc and all the new Asian tanks have autoloaders

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    Thanks to Ominious Spud for the video and Magnum for the T-16 stuff....excelent Very Happy
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    Post  chicken Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:43 am

    The gunner's sight was zeroed in but the hit was off by a few centimeters to the left and it happened twice. Why?
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    Post  Mike E Mon Sep 14, 2015 7:54 am

    chicken wrote:The gunner's sight was zeroed in but the hit was off by a few centimeters to the left and it happened twice. Why?
    It might have been at Otvaga, but someone noted that he thought the gunner was aiming a little left and high. 

    That, and they did fire HEAT shells, maybe they aren't extremely accurate at sub-100 meters, or something. 

    Mind you the 2A46M's are (allegedly) rated at .2 mil accuracy at 1000 meters with APFSDS, and .25 mil with HEAT.
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    Post  Khepesh Mon Sep 14, 2015 9:34 am

    It's difficult to get a precise measurement due to the way this video is edited, but I estimate turret traverse speed to be a full 360 rotation in no more than seven seconds, this is two seconds faster than any NATO tank and is a significant advantage. This should not be surprising due to lower weight of crewless turret. I will throw this observation as well. It may turn out that with gunner and commander in the hull, then there may be less disorientation due to sometimes loosing track, even with the turret traverse indicator, of where the turret is facing in relation to were the hull is facing. Of course only testing and practise will show if this is the case.
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    Post  Cyberspec Mon Sep 14, 2015 10:16 am

    Khepesh wrote:It's difficult to get a precise measurement due to the way this video is edited, but I estimate turret traverse speed to be a full 360 rotation in no more than seven seconds, this is two seconds faster than any NATO tank and is a significant advantage. This should not be surprising due to lower weight of crewless turret. I will throw this observation as well. It may turn out that with gunner and commander in the hull, then there may be less disorientation due to sometimes loosing track, even with the turret traverse indicator, of where the turret is facing in relation to were the hull is facing. Of course only testing and practise will show if this is the case.

    Good points...sounds reasonable
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    Post  OminousSpudd Mon Sep 14, 2015 11:36 am

    Off Topic By the way Mike E, excellent work on your Armata and general Russian armour debating on the Armoured Warfare forums. Two Americans, one Israeli, one Polak if I count correctly put to shame.

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