Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5

wilhelm wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Here's a quote from our special snowflake Dforce from TheMess:

Dforce wrote:I guess it is much more honorable to bomb them while they can not defend themself?

Their action is quite understandable (but not defendable) in this situation, they have been bombed for weeks without any oppurtunity to defend themself. They are a rag-tag militia after all, and they do not follow laws of civilised countries.

Same things happens in all wars where pilots are downed; the locals they bombed kills them...=(

I hope you die a slow and painful death you terrible excuse of a human being.

DForce is a despicable russophobe who wrote "humourous" and sometimes ill-conceived gloating posts on MP.net with regards to civilians and soldiers being killed in Donbass.
I warned this forum about him, and asked why exactly someone with his outlook even bothers to join on a Russian military forum, if not to troll or gather info to twist elsewhere for his anti-Russian agenda. But he was given a pass to continue posting here.

It's no surprise he hasn't condemned the killing of the Russian pilots after they ejected, and indeed, tries a little excusing of their fate and questioning of the pilots honour whilst bombing these jihadi scum.

No surprise at all.

Pls no braindead names in this moment.

Vladimir79 wrote:Turkeys say it violated their airspace 10 times... if it did they should have shot it down inside Turkey.  Having fallen so far inside Syria it is obvious this is an act of war.

Plane was shot down 4km inside Syrian Territory. I guess we forgot that few months back Turkey enforced a no-fly zone near its syrian border.

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Me too. MP toward the end became a xenophobic cesspit. TheMess seems to have attracted the worst of that cesspit from the little I read there when it started.
I haven't bothered to sign up either, nor do I even visit there after my initial reading when it started.
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Nou is daar kak.

Time to deploy Smerch. Rebels days are over.

So what is happening now? Has Russia increased its deployment of jets in Syria yet (proposed Su-27SM and more Su-34's)? As well, after the turks and their act of war move, has any more Russian jets flew afterwards?  Hopefully more Turkish planes are shot down.

sepheronx wrote:So what is happening now? Has Russia increased its deployment of jets in Syria yet (proposed Su-27SM and more Su-34's)? As well, after the turks and their act of war move, has any more Russian jets flew afterwards?  Hopefully more Turkish planes are shot down.

Rumours are that Russia has shut off the gas supply to Turkey, and has said that all Russian citizens should leave Turkey, I do not know how true this is.

sepheronx wrote:So what is happening now? Has Russia increased its deployment of jets in Syria yet (proposed Su-27SM and more Su-34's)? As well, after the turks and their act of war move, has any more Russian jets flew afterwards?  Hopefully more Turkish planes are shot down.

Right now we shouldn't expect any news. Most likely a plan was put into motion and we'll see and hear about it as it unfolds. Just like Crimea.

sepheronx wrote:So what is happening now? Has Russia increased its deployment of jets in Syria yet (proposed Su-27SM and more Su-34's)? As well, after the turks and their act of war move, has any more Russian jets flew afterwards?  Hopefully more Turkish planes are shot down.

Everything's quiet.

Quiet before the storm I hope.

Boshoed wrote:Nou is daar kak.

Kom kry vir jou.

Welcome aboard, by the way.

Boshoed wrote:I've been following this story all day, and I'm curious as to what NATO is going to do...are they going to back Turkey up, or will they let Turkey out to dry?

I think that when Stoltenberg speaks in a few hours it will cause extreme anger. He will back up Turkey 100% and blame Russia for causing this. The only element that may cause the reaction to be more muted is that NATO has members who hate Turkey, or may have no interest in their issues, and will not agree to a joint statement absolving Turkey. That NATO or Washington has said nothing all day shows they have difficulties in forming a response. Whatever is said I suspect it will be full of semantics and disingenous garbage. IMO, Turkey has committed a cynical and deliberate act of war against Russia. Let's see if all of NATO have the stomach for these "games" by Turkey and Washington.

Hopefully Constantinopol will be liberated within the next week.

2nd choice, a Taksim Square revolution reaches critical mass.

Failing that, plenty of roasted Turkeys pre-Christmas would be nice.

What is Iran's view of Turdkey?

Russia must deploy ground forces to end this war. SAA is incompetent. After TWO MONTHS of offensive, SAA could not take Salma which is only a few meters from the front line. Hader and Eis were captured by Iraqis and Iranians, not by SAA.

There will be no rushed action.
That doesn't mean there will be no reaction.

wilhelm wrote:There will be no rushed action.
That doesn't mean there will be no reaction.

It better not take 3 weeks to investigate like they did with the airliner even though rebels claimed responsibility right away. The saying goes, strike the iron when it's hot, not when it's cool.

wilhelm wrote:

Boshoed wrote:

Neutrality wrote:Here's a quote from our special snowflake Dforce from TheMess:

Dforce wrote:I guess it is much more honorable to bomb them while they can not defend themself?

Their action is quite understandable (but not defendable) in this situation, they have been bombed for weeks without any oppurtunity to defend themself. They are a rag-tag militia after all, and they do not follow laws of civilised countries.

Same things happens in all wars where pilots are downed; the locals they bombed kills them...=(

I hope you die a slow and painful death you terrible excuse of a human being.

Why do you even go on that cesspit of human filth? Why do you think I haven't signed up there, and signed up here instead?  

Me too. MP toward the end became a xenophobic cesspit. TheMess seems to have attracted the worst of that cesspit from the little I read there when it started.
I haven't bothered to sign up either, nor do I even visit there after my initial reading when it started.
Same old same old.

To be honest, quite a few of the retarded members of themess have been purged, like Asheren and Camera (among others). There are still a few left (Elgar, Dforce, Radu), but for the most part, the number of flamewars initiated by the ardent russophobes has certainly been lowered over time.

PapaDragon, calm down man.
It's a painful and trying time I'm sure, but calm heads is what wins, not the advocating of making innocent people suffer.

ultron wrote:Time to deploy Smerch. Rebels days are over.

No, it is time to deploy S-400 on the border and shoot down anything that comes within range.

PapaDragon wrote:

ultron wrote:

wilhelm wrote:There will be no rushed action.
That doesn't mean there will be no reaction.

It better not take 3 weeks to investigate like they did with the airliner even though rebels claimed responsibility right away. The saying goes, strike the iron when it's hot, not when it's cool.

Yeah, but once they did, they struck so hard that Turk inbreds went full retard...

Something to be noted here, lesson in patience and planning...

Indeed.

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:TheMess is a pro-American forum - and it's enshrined in their user agreement as it was on mp.net. All pro-Russian folks left that side a long ago and have come here.

Seriously, why should they (pro-US crowd) care about the fate of Russian pilots? People here would not give a damn if an American pilot was shot down and then killed somewhere.

Belief that all people deserve to live equally is a very recent one in human history. Before that the Golden Rule was "be kind to your people, harsh to everyone else". Well, for over 1 bln years of evolutionary history of life on earth, it worked fine.

For example, if an American pilot was shot down and killed while conducting a CAS mission over, say, Mosul, I don't think many people on this site would be gloating or trying to justify the actions of his murderers.

That was surprising. Not.
After shitloads of reports that Russian jets crossed the border. True or not Turkey showed that they don't want Russians anywhere near them. Message was already sent.
It's not baltic midget countries or finland where readiness is quite low and instead of shooting down other NATO jets intercept.
Decission was made, to fuck russian jet out of sky, they were waiting for this moment. My honest opinion- Turkey is unpredictable muslim goatfucker country. Putin did it right when he said that they are main supporters of ISIS.  

Russia was playing Tureckiy gambit on this all along.
Well cynical as it might sound at least russia is getting all the experience and learning from mistakes.
No bombing runs without escort this time.
And yes, Russia should help Kurds... Not in Syria, but in Turkey too.

www.haaretz.com/middle-east-news/.premium-1.665304

Interesting article here. Even some of the Yanksters are seeing Wankara as a bit of an embarrassment.
Altho certain others see it as a nice way to shit stir.