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Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5
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Neutrality- Posts : 888
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5
Neutrality Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:45 pm
Mi-8 gets hit by TOW missile. I don't know what to say because I'm pissed as fuck. Death and destruction is what I wish upon Turkey and the animals they fund and support.
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The perpetrators were most likely not a signatory to the Geneva convention. The FSA are criminals anyway.Militarov wrote:Karl Haushofer wrote:I think this is actually a fair game since those pilots were their enemies.Militarov wrote:"The dead pilot shown on video tried to fly his parachute into regime territory. Our fighters "shot him dead from a distance." - FSA Commander (unknown)
However Turkey shooting down a Russian aircraft is an act of war and Russia must respond.
Attacking pilot or paratrooper in the air is aganist Geneva convention however. Its considered as a warcrime.
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Angry and sad!!!
I console myself the death of those pilots by taking into account that they didn't had to go through the torture and humiliation that might have meeted out to them if they were captured alive. Rest in peace bros!
This could have been avoided if there was a top cover from the Su-30SM or the MiG-29s for all the strike aircraft operating near the borders of terrorist sponsors/supporters like Turkey (& Israel).
As a first immediate response (if that is even necessary) ----- keep the long-range cruise missiles ready and the next sort of missiles should make a mockery of Turkish airspace and head to strike terrorists inside Syria through Turkish territory. Let Turkey shoot it down or not, don't bother.
I would like to see the Turkish military getting struck very hard....but there are certain things that need to be done as priority (with equal priority in parallel regarding response to this Turkish adventure)
1) Put pressure on Turkey to get the bodies of the two pilots
2) Increase the air-superiority/air-defence fighters (I have been saying the need for deploying the 34 x MiG-29SMTs to Syria coz Su-30SM count is too low and inadequate to cover the strike a/c)
3) Deploy the A-50 so that there is a good top cover picture (Any possibility that the said F-16 sneaked in from low level flight to the area of Su-24?)
4) Increase/deploy the BuK-M2
5) If the S-300/400 has not yet been deployed, do it now! On an urgent basis.
6) Deploy/increase the coastal anti-shipping batteries. Both Yakhont and Uran.
7) Increase the artillery (Smerch & Msta)
Point #1 need to be fast tracked where as #2 and succeeding points might take a week or more, but if a military response is on the table, then I think this delay is justified and there need to be a response that do hurt the Turkish military and in essence Erdogan and his regime
What I would like to see Russia do (some real and some if not needing an escalation will still be good psyops) which can put immense panic and pressure on Turkey, even if the actions may in reality is never taken, are...
1) Russian MoD release a press briefing/statement calling on all the international citizens to leave Turkey in 24 hours failing which Russia will not be able to guarantee their safety! To make it more spicy let the 25 strategic bombers fly near the Turkish border in the Black sea area.
(^ this might make Turkey to call in the NATO chapter, but who cares. The Turkish regime should be given a 24 hour mental crunch and unbearable pressure on its national logistics)
2) Increase the Su-30SM and MiG-29s and start striking the F-16s inside Turkish borders who come near Syrian border
3) Strike soft but force multipliers of Turkish AF like the Boeing 737 AEW&C Peace Eagle in Turkish airspace, it would be too costly for Turkey in terms of capability and cost.
Btw, Al Jazeera has been covering the incident continuously and the Al Jazeera bread British pig Rorry Challands is also reporting from Moscow.
I console myself the death of those pilots by taking into account that they didn't had to go through the torture and humiliation that might have meeted out to them if they were captured alive. Rest in peace bros!
This could have been avoided if there was a top cover from the Su-30SM or the MiG-29s for all the strike aircraft operating near the borders of terrorist sponsors/supporters like Turkey (& Israel).
As a first immediate response (if that is even necessary) ----- keep the long-range cruise missiles ready and the next sort of missiles should make a mockery of Turkish airspace and head to strike terrorists inside Syria through Turkish territory. Let Turkey shoot it down or not, don't bother.
I would like to see the Turkish military getting struck very hard....but there are certain things that need to be done as priority (with equal priority in parallel regarding response to this Turkish adventure)
1) Put pressure on Turkey to get the bodies of the two pilots
2) Increase the air-superiority/air-defence fighters (I have been saying the need for deploying the 34 x MiG-29SMTs to Syria coz Su-30SM count is too low and inadequate to cover the strike a/c)
3) Deploy the A-50 so that there is a good top cover picture (Any possibility that the said F-16 sneaked in from low level flight to the area of Su-24?)
4) Increase/deploy the BuK-M2
5) If the S-300/400 has not yet been deployed, do it now! On an urgent basis.
6) Deploy/increase the coastal anti-shipping batteries. Both Yakhont and Uran.
7) Increase the artillery (Smerch & Msta)
Point #1 need to be fast tracked where as #2 and succeeding points might take a week or more, but if a military response is on the table, then I think this delay is justified and there need to be a response that do hurt the Turkish military and in essence Erdogan and his regime
What I would like to see Russia do (some real and some if not needing an escalation will still be good psyops) which can put immense panic and pressure on Turkey, even if the actions may in reality is never taken, are...
1) Russian MoD release a press briefing/statement calling on all the international citizens to leave Turkey in 24 hours failing which Russia will not be able to guarantee their safety! To make it more spicy let the 25 strategic bombers fly near the Turkish border in the Black sea area.
(^ this might make Turkey to call in the NATO chapter, but who cares. The Turkish regime should be given a 24 hour mental crunch and unbearable pressure on its national logistics)
2) Increase the Su-30SM and MiG-29s and start striking the F-16s inside Turkish borders who come near Syrian border
3) Strike soft but force multipliers of Turkish AF like the Boeing 737 AEW&C Peace Eagle in Turkish airspace, it would be too costly for Turkey in terms of capability and cost.
Btw, Al Jazeera has been covering the incident continuously and the Al Jazeera bread British pig Rorry Challands is also reporting from Moscow.
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Militarov wrote:Karl Haushofer wrote:I think this is actually a fair game since those pilots were their enemies.Militarov wrote:"The dead pilot shown on video tried to fly his parachute into regime territory. Our fighters "shot him dead from a distance." - FSA Commander (unknown)
However Turkey shooting down a Russian aircraft is an act of war and Russia must respond.
Attacking pilot or paratrooper in the air is aganist Geneva convention however. Its considered as a warcrime.
These scum are not signatories to the Geneva convention. They are a not parastatal.
They therefore should be treated for what they are, armed terrorists, and wiped out without mercy.
If Turkey wants to aid and abet such terrorism, then they should be treated just the same.
It is high time some of the death and destruction the Turkish proxy scum have meted out to Syrians should be visited on their host, Turkey.
It is the only message that works, because you can't talk or negotiate with terrorists, by their very nature.
Anything Turkish crossing the border should be destroyed. Vehicles, aircraft, whatever. They do not have a mandate to be in Syria. Not a UN mandate, not a NATO mandate, and most certainly no permission from the legal Syrian State.
Therefore, if anyway involved in Syria, treat them for what they are...terrorist assets to be destroyed.
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Good to hear the crew are safe.Militarov wrote:
"RuAF helicopter crashed north of Kafriyeh after being hit by a rocket from militants in Al-Nuba area. The crew were safely evacuated, RuAF then bombarded the grounded helicopter and destroyed it."
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I said from day 1 the sooner SAA take ground, the better. 2 months into the offensive and SAA is yet to take Selma. The pace is too slow. Even two years from now SAA might still not take Salma. The longer this offensive goes, the more incidents will happen.
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Neutrality wrote:
Mi-8 gets hit by TOW missile. I don't know what to say because I'm pissed as fuck. Death and destruction is what I wish upon Turkey and the animals they fund and support.
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Erk wrote:The perpetrators were most likely not a signatory to the Geneva convention. The FSA are criminals anyway.Militarov wrote:Karl Haushofer wrote:I think this is actually a fair game since those pilots were their enemies.Militarov wrote:"The dead pilot shown on video tried to fly his parachute into regime territory. Our fighters "shot him dead from a distance." - FSA Commander (unknown)
However Turkey shooting down a Russian aircraft is an act of war and Russia must respond.
Attacking pilot or paratrooper in the air is aganist Geneva convention however. Its considered as a warcrime.
Well, still you can get trialed via Geneva convention, even tho you did not sign it yourself
. Syria as itself signed all "standard" protocoles from 1 to 4, for sure. Well yeah...i did not expect anything else from them tho. When Serbs captured US soldiers in 1999. they cried how they had signs of "hits in the face" and bruises from handcuffs..right..what they did expect bread and salt greeting?
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5
Neutrality Tue Nov 24, 2015 3:54 pm
arpakola wrote:Neutrality wrote:
Mi-8 gets hit by TOW missile. I don't know what to say because I'm pissed as fuck. Death and destruction is what I wish upon Turkey and the animals they fund and support.
Why did you do this? I put the video under spoiler marks for specific reasons.
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WAIT WAIT WAIT.
1 Su 24 downed - 1 pilot killed by FSA in descent - 1 pilot MIA
1 Mi 8 downed ??
1 Su 24 downed - 1 pilot killed by FSA in descent - 1 pilot MIA
1 Mi 8 downed ??
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5
Neutrality Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:00 pm
Here's a quote from our special snowflake Dforce from TheMess:
I hope you die a slow and painful death you terrible excuse of a human being.
Dforce wrote:I guess it is much more honorable to bomb them while they can not defend themself?
Their action is quite understandable (but not defendable) in this situation, they have been bombed for weeks without any oppurtunity to defend themself. They are a rag-tag militia after all, and they do not follow laws of civilised countries.
Same things happens in all wars where pilots are downed; the locals they bombed kills them...=(
I hope you die a slow and painful death you terrible excuse of a human being.
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+ I was thinking of the same as one measure, but not limited to.KiloGolf wrote:There's one thing Putin can do and possibly nobody in NATO will care.
Pick and bomb the air base these fighters took off, destroy a few planes on the ground and shelters. Call it even and go home.
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+1Rodinazombie wrote:Im not sure what you giys were expecting putin to say, whatever it is, thats not putins style. He always talks softly, but even so, his words were quite damning.
This is the man who calls his enemies 'partners', so to go out and call this a stab in the back by the accomplices of terrorism is pretty hardline from his usual style. Make no mistake about it, putin will act. He wont scream or shout, but he will act.
We need to wait and see what actions are taken.
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Akula971 wrote:WAIT WAIT WAIT.
1 Su 24 downed - 1 pilot killed by FSA in descent - 1 pilot MIA
1 Mi 8 downed ??
And how quaint, the FSA pointed out the Mil Mi 8, as fast as it could and used a TOW on it, this is a so badly concealed ambush, I don't even know what to say, Turkey has organized this shit today from A to Z, I don't know wtf the Ru MO is doing still talking, wow.
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Video of the terrorists shooting the two parachuted Russian pilots.
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Default.aspx?PageID=428&VideoID=819
Description of the video from the site
http://www.hurriyetdailynews.com/Default.aspx?PageID=428&VideoID=819
Description of the video from the site
Video footage has emerged backing claims by Turkmen rebels that they killed two Russian pilots, after the pilots auto-ejected from the SU-24 fighter jet shot down by Turkey. Gun shots can be heard throughout the video as a man shouts in Turkish, urging people not to shoot and kill potential “hostages.” “Don’t shoot! A hostage is coming, a hostage,” the man says.
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Very sad events. Glad to hear all personnell onboard the Mi-8 are fine, but the dead pilot of Su-24M, may he find peace in heavan.
This blood is on turkeys hand. Such a move is a direct support and evidence of such, to ISIS. In this case, Russia has every right to bomb the airbase that plane and its pilot took off from.
Russia should now reintroduce escorts again as they recently removed the escorting. See any turkish planes show up close by, shoot them down. Get Syrian AF more involved too.
As soon as the pilots parachutes out, Russia should have had a strike group already inbound. Such a tragedy will also lead to reaction improvements though.
What is the fate of the other pilot?
This blood is on turkeys hand. Such a move is a direct support and evidence of such, to ISIS. In this case, Russia has every right to bomb the airbase that plane and its pilot took off from.
Russia should now reintroduce escorts again as they recently removed the escorting. See any turkish planes show up close by, shoot them down. Get Syrian AF more involved too.
As soon as the pilots parachutes out, Russia should have had a strike group already inbound. Such a tragedy will also lead to reaction improvements though.
What is the fate of the other pilot?
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Terrorist shot Russian pilot on landing with Parachute
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Neutrality wrote:Here's a quote from our special snowflake Dforce from TheMess:Dforce wrote:I guess it is much more honorable to bomb them while they can not defend themself?
Their action is quite understandable (but not defendable) in this situation, they have been bombed for weeks without any oppurtunity to defend themself. They are a rag-tag militia after all, and they do not follow laws of civilised countries.
Same things happens in all wars where pilots are downed; the locals they bombed kills them...=(
I hope you die a slow and painful death you terrible excuse of a human being.
Why do you even go on that cesspit of human filth? Why do you think I haven't signed up there, and signed up here instead? I've been following this story all day, and I'm curious as to what NATO is going to do...are they going to back Turkey up, or will they let Turkey out to dry?
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Turkeys say it violated their airspace 10 times... if it did they should have shot it down inside Turkey. Having fallen so far inside Syria it is obvious this is an act of war.
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arpakola wrote:Terrorist shot Russian pilot on landing with Parachute
Old video from 2013.
Today the evidence is that at least One pilot was shot, there were gunshot wounds when he was moved from the LZ. Rumiantsev was shot at least 3 times, including one wound on the torso (left pectoral).
The other pilot was only shown dead with vessel rupture (aka gun shot signs) signs from nose and ears.
Vladimir79 wrote:Turkeys say it violated their airspace 10 times... if it did they should have shot it down inside Turkey. Having fallen so far inside Syria it is obvious this is an act of war.
It has probably passed the Turkish airspace twice at most. They warn planes even they are in Syria. The telemetric data doesn't indicate any long stretch of "trespassing". Couple this, with the welcoming committee the SAR got (the gotfuckers had the time to haul the TOW and were ready), this was the plan all along. Shoot the Plane, allow goatfuckers to pick off Russian SAR.
Still not even mad anymore. If I could link the dots, MO has already the name of the goatfucker who allowed this from Turkish AC.
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Neutrality wrote:Here's a quote from our special snowflake Dforce from TheMess:Dforce wrote:I guess it is much more honorable to bomb them while they can not defend themself?
Their action is quite understandable (but not defendable) in this situation, they have been bombed for weeks without any oppurtunity to defend themself. They are a rag-tag militia after all, and they do not follow laws of civilised countries.
Same things happens in all wars where pilots are downed; the locals they bombed kills them...=(
I hope you die a slow and painful death you terrible excuse of a human being.
DForce is a despicable russophobe who wrote "humourous" and sometimes ill-conceived gloating posts on MP.net with regards to civilians and soldiers being killed in Donbass.
I warned this forum about him, and asked why exactly someone with his outlook even bothers to join on a Russian military forum, if not to troll or gather info to twist elsewhere for his anti-Russian agenda. But he was given a pass to continue posting here.
It's no surprise he hasn't condemned the killing of the Russian pilots after they ejected, and indeed, tries a little excusing of their fate and questioning of the pilots honour whilst bombing these jihadi scum.
No surprise at all.
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Boshoed wrote:Neutrality wrote:Here's a quote from our special snowflake Dforce from TheMess:Dforce wrote:I guess it is much more honorable to bomb them while they can not defend themself?
Their action is quite understandable (but not defendable) in this situation, they have been bombed for weeks without any oppurtunity to defend themself. They are a rag-tag militia after all, and they do not follow laws of civilised countries.
Same things happens in all wars where pilots are downed; the locals they bombed kills them...=(
I hope you die a slow and painful death you terrible excuse of a human being.
Why do you even go on that cesspit of human filth? Why do you think I haven't signed up there, and signed up here instead?
Me too. MP toward the end became a xenophobic cesspit. TheMess seems to have attracted the worst of that cesspit from the little I read there when it started.
I haven't bothered to sign up either, nor do I even visit there after my initial reading when it started.
Same old same old.
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Re: Russian military intervention and aid to Syria #5
Siempre_Leal Tue Nov 24, 2015 4:32 pm
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