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    T-90 Main Battle Tank #2

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    Post  LMFS Tue Feb 23, 2021 2:10 pm

    Serial deliveries of the Russian defense Ministry's new t-90M "Proryv" tanks have begun"

    Moscow. February 23. Uralvagonzavod Concern (UVZ, rostec) has started serial deliveries of new t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian defense Ministry, the press service of the Uralvagonzavod plant told Interfax.

    Uralvagonzavod has started mass production and delivery of T-90M tanks to the Russian defense Ministry. These are long-term contracts for a large number of vehicles, " the Uralvagonzavod said.
    On April 3, 2020, the Russian defense Ministry announced the start of deliveries OF t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian army. On April 13, the press service of the Western military district reported that the first t-90M WAS received by the Taman division near Moscow.
    The T-90M, in particular, has a new combat turret module and a highly automated digital fire control system. It was reported that the tank will be equipped with climate control.
    "The T90-M is the most advanced vehicle in the T-90 family. Its creation is a big step in the development of the Russian tank industry. In particular, the new model implements a complex of inter-object interaction, the tank is able to operate in the conditions of modern network-centric combat operations. The reliability of all types of equipment and equipment has been significantly improved: even if the fire control system fails or if there is no power supply from the onboard network, the tank will not fail, "said Alexander Potapov, head of Uralvagonzavod.
    At the Army 2020 forum, Uralvagonzavod presented an export version of the T-90M - the T-90MS.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=545997&lang=RU

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    Post  mnztr Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:49 pm

    It didn't have climate control before? OMG. Imagine cooking in that thing in Syria!!!
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    Post  mnztr Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:59 pm

    Is there any combat reports of Russian tanks using ATGMs in combat in Syria or Ukraine? Since the western MIC seems to think this is not of value it would be interesting to see real world applications. IMHO the further you can strike the better, always a very nice tool to have but real life tends to reveal the truth.
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    Post  The_Observer Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:57 pm

    LMFS wrote:Serial deliveries of the Russian defense Ministry's new t-90M "Proryv" tanks have begun"

    Moscow. February 23. Uralvagonzavod Concern (UVZ, rostec) has started serial deliveries of new t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian defense Ministry, the press service of the Uralvagonzavod plant told Interfax.

    Uralvagonzavod has started mass production and delivery of T-90M tanks to the Russian defense Ministry. These are long-term contracts for a large number of vehicles, " the Uralvagonzavod said.
    On April 3, 2020, the Russian defense Ministry announced the start of deliveries OF t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian army. On April 13, the press service of the Western military district reported that the first t-90M WAS received by the Taman division near Moscow.
    The T-90M, in particular, has a new combat turret module and a highly automated digital fire control system. It was reported that the tank will be equipped with climate control.
    "The T90-M is the most advanced vehicle in the T-90 family. Its creation is a big step in the development of the Russian tank industry. In particular, the new model implements a complex of inter-object interaction, the tank is able to operate in the conditions of modern network-centric combat operations. The reliability of all types of equipment and equipment has been significantly improved: even if the fire control system fails or if there is no power supply from the onboard network, the tank will not fail, "said Alexander Potapov, head of Uralvagonzavod.
    At the Army 2020 forum, Uralvagonzavod presented an export version of the T-90M - the T-90MS.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=545997&lang=RU

    Finally!
    At this point, wouldn't it make more sense for them to stop T-72B3 upgrades and focus on T-90 and Armata?
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    Post  calripson Fri Feb 26, 2021 4:58 pm

    The_Observer wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Serial deliveries of the Russian defense Ministry's new t-90M "Proryv" tanks have begun"

    Moscow. February 23. Uralvagonzavod Concern (UVZ, rostec) has started serial deliveries of new t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian defense Ministry, the press service of the Uralvagonzavod plant told Interfax.

    Uralvagonzavod has started mass production and delivery of T-90M tanks to the Russian defense Ministry. These are long-term contracts for a large number of vehicles, " the Uralvagonzavod said.
    On April 3, 2020, the Russian defense Ministry announced the start of deliveries OF t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian army. On April 13, the press service of the Western military district reported that the first t-90M WAS received by the Taman division near Moscow.
    The T-90M, in particular, has a new combat turret module and a highly automated digital fire control system. It was reported that the tank will be equipped with climate control.
    "The T90-M is the most advanced vehicle in the T-90 family. Its creation is a big step in the development of the Russian tank industry. In particular, the new model implements a complex of inter-object interaction, the tank is able to operate in the conditions of modern network-centric combat operations. The reliability of all types of equipment and equipment has been significantly improved: even if the fire control system fails or if there is no power supply from the onboard network, the tank will not fail, "said Alexander Potapov, head of Uralvagonzavod.
    At the Army 2020 forum, Uralvagonzavod presented an export version of the T-90M - the T-90MS.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=545997&lang=RU

    Finally!
    At this point, wouldn't it make more sense for them to stop T-72B3 upgrades and focus on T-90 and Armata?

    Did they disclose how many T-90M are being delivered per year?
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    Post  mnztr Fri Feb 26, 2021 5:48 pm

    The_Observer wrote:
    Finally!
    At this point, wouldn't it make more sense for them to stop T-72B3 upgrades and focus on T-90 and Armata?

    They have massive infrastruture and expertise as well as a HUGE fleet of T-72. An advanced T-72 is a potent weapon and also highly marketable. If you conside that pretty much any tank can be taken out by air power, quantity has its own quality.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:03 pm

    The_Observer wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Serial deliveries of the Russian defense Ministry's new t-90M "Proryv" tanks have begun"

    Moscow. February 23. Uralvagonzavod Concern (UVZ, rostec) has started serial deliveries of new t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian defense Ministry, the press service of the Uralvagonzavod plant told Interfax.

    Uralvagonzavod has started mass production and delivery of T-90M tanks to the Russian defense Ministry. These are long-term contracts for a large number of vehicles, " the Uralvagonzavod said.
    On April 3, 2020, the Russian defense Ministry announced the start of deliveries OF t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian army. On April 13, the press service of the Western military district reported that the first t-90M WAS received by the Taman division near Moscow.
    The T-90M, in particular, has a new combat turret module and a highly automated digital fire control system. It was reported that the tank will be equipped with climate control.
    "The T90-M is the most advanced vehicle in the T-90 family. Its creation is a big step in the development of the Russian tank industry. In particular, the new model implements a complex of inter-object interaction, the tank is able to operate in the conditions of modern network-centric combat operations. The reliability of all types of equipment and equipment has been significantly improved: even if the fire control system fails or if there is no power supply from the onboard network, the tank will not fail, "said Alexander Potapov, head of Uralvagonzavod.
    At the Army 2020 forum, Uralvagonzavod presented an export version of the T-90M - the T-90MS.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=545997&lang=RU

    Finally!
    At this point, wouldn't it make more sense for them to stop T-72B3 upgrades and focus on T-90 and Armata?

    Not happening. The amount of T-72's in storage is absolutely massive, and their upgrades are relatively cheap.

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    Post  The_Observer Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:14 pm

    calripson wrote:
    The_Observer wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Serial deliveries of the Russian defense Ministry's new t-90M "Proryv" tanks have begun"

    Moscow. February 23. Uralvagonzavod Concern (UVZ, rostec) has started serial deliveries of new t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian defense Ministry, the press service of the Uralvagonzavod plant told Interfax.

    Uralvagonzavod has started mass production and delivery of T-90M tanks to the Russian defense Ministry. These are long-term contracts for a large number of vehicles, " the Uralvagonzavod said.
    On April 3, 2020, the Russian defense Ministry announced the start of deliveries OF t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian army. On April 13, the press service of the Western military district reported that the first t-90M WAS received by the Taman division near Moscow.
    The T-90M, in particular, has a new combat turret module and a highly automated digital fire control system. It was reported that the tank will be equipped with climate control.
    "The T90-M is the most advanced vehicle in the T-90 family. Its creation is a big step in the development of the Russian tank industry. In particular, the new model implements a complex of inter-object interaction, the tank is able to operate in the conditions of modern network-centric combat operations. The reliability of all types of equipment and equipment has been significantly improved: even if the fire control system fails or if there is no power supply from the onboard network, the tank will not fail, "said Alexander Potapov, head of Uralvagonzavod.
    At the Army 2020 forum, Uralvagonzavod presented an export version of the T-90M - the T-90MS.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=545997&lang=RU

    Finally!
    At this point, wouldn't it make more sense for them to stop T-72B3 upgrades and focus on T-90 and Armata?

    Did they disclose how many T-90M are being delivered per year?
    No, they did not. The report simply said "a batch". I suspect the number is 10 or so because they are not going to a regular tank division. They'll be going to a tank command school for the training of tank officers.
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    Post  mnztr Fri Feb 26, 2021 6:20 pm

    The July 1997 issue of Jane's International Defence Review confirmed that after the collapse of the USSR, US and German analysts had a chance to examine Soviet-made T-72 tanks equipped with Kontakt-5 ERA, and they proved impenetrable to most modern US and German tank projectiles. A U.S. Army spokesperson claimed at the show, "the myth of Soviet inferiority in this sector of arms production that has been perpetuated by the failure of downgraded T-72 export tanks in the Gulf Wars has, finally, been laid to rest. The results of these tests show that if a NATO/Warsaw Pact confrontation had erupted in Europe, the Soviets would have had parity (or perhaps even superiority) in armour".[53] KE-effective ERA, such as Kontakt-5, drove the development of M829A3 ammunition.[54]

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    Post  franco Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:35 pm

    The_Observer wrote:
    calripson wrote:
    The_Observer wrote:
    LMFS wrote:Serial deliveries of the Russian defense Ministry's new t-90M "Proryv" tanks have begun"

    Moscow. February 23. Uralvagonzavod Concern (UVZ, rostec) has started serial deliveries of new t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian defense Ministry, the press service of the Uralvagonzavod plant told Interfax.

    Uralvagonzavod has started mass production and delivery of T-90M tanks to the Russian defense Ministry. These are long-term contracts for a large number of vehicles, " the Uralvagonzavod said.
    On April 3, 2020, the Russian defense Ministry announced the start of deliveries OF t-90M Proryv tanks to the Russian army. On April 13, the press service of the Western military district reported that the first t-90M WAS received by the Taman division near Moscow.
    The T-90M, in particular, has a new combat turret module and a highly automated digital fire control system. It was reported that the tank will be equipped with climate control.
    "The T90-M is the most advanced vehicle in the T-90 family. Its creation is a big step in the development of the Russian tank industry. In particular, the new model implements a complex of inter-object interaction, the tank is able to operate in the conditions of modern network-centric combat operations. The reliability of all types of equipment and equipment has been significantly improved: even if the fire control system fails or if there is no power supply from the onboard network, the tank will not fail, "said Alexander Potapov, head of Uralvagonzavod.
    At the Army 2020 forum, Uralvagonzavod presented an export version of the T-90M - the T-90MS.

    https://www.militarynews.ru/story.asp?rid=0&nid=545997&lang=RU

    Finally!
    At this point, wouldn't it make more sense for them to stop T-72B3 upgrades and focus on T-90 and Armata?

    Did they disclose how many T-90M are being delivered per year?
    No, they did not. The report simply said "a batch". I suspect the number is 10 or so because they are not going to a regular tank division. They'll be going to a tank command school for the training of tank officers.

    The first order was for 160 but they were to be mostly T-90A's rebuilt to T-90M's standards. They probably should more correctly be described as T-90AM's. A battalion of them with a few T-90M's new builds were delivered in 2020 to the Taman 2nd Guards division. Basically a battalion of them a year for 4-5 years is planned. Actual orders for serial new build T-90M's have not heard about yet.

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Feb 26, 2021 7:47 pm

    franco wrote:...Actual orders for serial new build T-90M's have not heard about yet.

    Excellent

    T-90s for Russian Army should all be overhauls from existing vehicles

    New production should focus solely on Armata platform

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    Post  GarryB Sat Feb 27, 2021 4:57 am

    At this point, wouldn't it make more sense for them to stop T-72B3 upgrades and focus on T-90 and Armata?

    The situation is actually rather complicated.

    First of all the T-72 upgrades are rather cheap and the resulting vehicle is certainly a useful vehicle... especially if it has modern ERA and an APS system which means it is protected from most angles by quite a large majority of the worlds anti armour weapons.

    Their capacity to make new tanks wont be stretched, their capacity to upgrade and overhaul tanks is large because their tank fleet used to be enormous.

    Even with T-90s in production and T-14s in production there should be plenty of resources left for T-72 upgrades.

    It is important to point out that Russian forces represent a wide range of situations, locations, terrains, and potential opponents... the very idea that every Russian unit... tank or motor rifle (ie Tank and Infantry units in the west) needs T-14 is absurd.

    For a start they are developing a K-xx and a B-xx that will use T-14 turrets and perform the role of a tank in the units they operate.

    What will happen most likely is that the five revealed Armata based vehicles... the T-14 tank, the T-15 BMP, the T-16 BREM engineer vehicle, the T-xx with the 12.7mm mini turret as a BTR platform, and the Coalition T-xx 2S35 152mm artillery vehicle should be OK to go.... so a Russian tank or motor rifle division will get their tanks replaced with T-14s and their BMPs and BTRs and 2S19s and their BREM vehicle replaced with Armata based versions we have already seen... over time the other platforms in the division like teh ACRV-2 based command vehicle and other engineer vehicles etc etc will be replaced with Armata versions of those vehicles so eventually only Armata vehicles will be present in an Armata division.

    In a Kurganets division the same thing will happen but for the time being the MBT will likely remain the T-90, while other versions of the Kurganets are developed and perfected. Eventually the T-90 will be replaced by a Kurganets vehicle with a T-14 turret and other tank like systems and equipment.

    The same for the Boomerang... it will start with the BMP and BTR versions replacing the BMP and BTR vehicles likely with T-72 tanks as the MBTs because they are slightly lighter and therefore more mobile but eventually a Boomerang with a T-14 turret will replace those T-72 tanks which could be sold off to allies or kept in reserve in case they are wanted.

    The T-90 will be a potent tank for quite some time and the upgraded T-72s will remain useful for quite some time too... with modern optics and communications and modern ammo as well as ERA and APS they will be rather difficult nuts to crack in most situations against most enemies.

    In afghanistan the soviets chose to use T-54s and T-55s and T-62s and T-72s because they were good enough... having T-80s and T-64s would not have made a lot of difference but would have been rather more expensive.

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    Post  lyle6 Sat Feb 27, 2021 10:04 am

    A cheap numbers tank is also what you want to train a large and rapidly growing pool of tankers. You don't learn how to drive on your dad's midlife crisis vehicle, you take his old clunker and you run that thing to the ground and he might not kill you. Same with the tanks, except its probably legal for the officers to murder you if you do manage to break a tank Razz

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    Post  George1 Mon Mar 01, 2021 2:52 pm

    Uralvagonzavod defense manufacturer has delivered a batch of upgraded T-90M ‘Proryv’ (‘Breakthrough’) main battle tanks to the Russian Army, the enterprise’s press office told TASS on Monday.

    https://tass.com/defense/1261443

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    Post  franco Mon Mar 01, 2021 4:23 pm

    George1 wrote:Uralvagonzavod defense manufacturer has delivered a batch of upgraded T-90M ‘Proryv’ (‘Breakthrough’) main battle tanks to the Russian Army, the enterprise’s press office told TASS on Monday.

    https://tass.com/defense/1261443

    Most likely to finish off the 2nd Division unit. Read just recently that they only got 2 companies last year. The third company went to training units.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:49 am

    It didn't have climate control before? OMG. Imagine cooking in that thing in Syria!!!

    It gets to above 50 degrees Celsius (122 degrees F) in India... of course they have aircon... maybe it is a new upgraded version...

    And also operate at minus 50 degrees C... so they will have a good heater and a good air con system. What they might have done is combine it in a climate control "system".

    A cheap numbers tank is also what you want to train a large and rapidly growing pool of tankers. You don't learn how to drive on your dad's midlife crisis vehicle, you take his old clunker and you run that thing to the ground and he might not kill you. Same with the tanks, except its probably legal for the officers to murder you if you do manage to break a tank

    Another factor is that in a real serious war situation when you might call up reserves... most of them trained on and are already familiar with these older vehicles, though they will likely be astounded by the new optics and ammo performance and also the communications equipment, but it is likely it will be a tank they trained on and familiar.

    It is also important to emphasise that they will have three different vehicle families... perhaps even four... because they have the heavy tracked Armata family of course, and the medium tracked Kurganets, and the medium wheeled Boomerang as their standard army vehicles, but they will also have the lighter more mobile Typhoon platforms that might not be a complete set, though will include four and six wheeled vehicles for high mobility peace keeping or COIN type operations and of course recon forces that are highly mobile... but there is the DT families of twin linked vehicles for arctic operations in cold weather or very wet weather...

    So if they are going to perform peace keeping missions in say Myanmar then wheeled vehicles would be the most suitable in terms of speed and damage to sealed roads and mobility.

    They might take a vehicle with a tank turret (ie T-14) but they might just as easily replace a tank vehicle within the force with a BMPT vehicle turret... an anti ambush convoy escort type turret.

    They will have choices.



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    Post  George1 Tue Mar 02, 2021 2:45 pm

    Ιt isnt clear wether the T-90M tanks delivered so far are of new production or upgraded T-90As

    From the side of bmpd, recallthat the international military-technical forum "Army 2017" August 24, 2017 by the Ministry of Defense of Russia was signed with JSC "Scientific and Production Corporation" Uralvagonzavod "(DC) contract to supply the first 30 T-90M (" Object 188M "OCD According to the published data , out of 30 T-90M tanks of this first contract, ten should be new-built vehicles, and the remaining 20 were to be converted during overhaul and modernization from T-90 tanks, however, according to other sources, all T-90M tanks should be of new construction.According

    to the terms of the 2017 contract, the delivery of 30 specified T-90M tanks should have been made in 2018-2019,however, the actual delivery of the first 10 tanks to the Ministry of Defenseinto the tank battalion of the 1st Motorized Rifle Regiment of the 2nd Guards Taman Motorized Rifle Division of the 1st Guards Tank Army of the Western Military District was produced only in April 2020. Another batch of T-90M tanks was delivered there in November 2020, and another batch was delivered to the Kazan Tank School at the same time.

    At the International Military-Technical Forum "Army-2018" on August 21, 2018, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed another contract with UVZ for the supply of 30 T-90M tanks to be upgraded from T-90 tanks (according to other sources, also new production), with the announced delivery date in 2019. Apparently, now we are talking about the delivery of the first batch of tanks under this contract.

    Finally, on June 28, 2019, at the Army-2019 International Military-Technical Forum, the Russian Ministry of Defense signed another contract with UVZ to upgrade another 100 T-90A tanks to the T-90M level.

    It was also reported that in 2020 it was planned to sign a new contract for the production and modernization of about a hundred more T-90 tanks to the T-90M level.


    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4267552.html
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    Post  franco Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:06 pm

    First batch was to be 10 new and 20 rebuilds according to that article.
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    Post  medo Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:21 pm

    Russian army ordered both. New build T-90M and those modernized from basic T-90. I don't know in what ratio they will be.

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    Post  franco Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:41 pm

    There are only 5-6 battalions of T-90A's (150-200) operating so not many to be upgraded. I had read several years back that it was planned to have 400 T-90M in total for what that is worth. From those first 3 contracts mentioned, they appear to represent 10 new plus 150 rebuilds. The rest of the new builds must be in different orders not mentioned in this article or public yet.

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    Post  PhSt Tue Mar 02, 2021 4:49 pm

    So are all existing T-90s going to be modernized to T-90M?
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    Post  George1 Tue Mar 02, 2021 5:15 pm

    PhSt wrote:So are all existing T-90s going to be modernized to T-90M?

    according to bmpd article we have contracts 30+30+100 T-90A tanks to be upgraded to T-90M. Even if 10-20 of them will be new built then about 140-150 of them will be upgraded by T-90A (the number of all T-90As)
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    Post  franco Wed Mar 10, 2021 11:01 pm

    A batch of 8 units of modernized T-90M "Breakthrough" tanks was delivered to the Sevastopol Motorized Rifle Brigade of the Guards Tank Army of the Western Military District.

    "We received this month several units of T-90M tanks, which are the most advanced machine in the T-90 family and the most adapted to action in the conditions of modern combat," said the commander of the tank army of the ZVO, Lieutenant General Sergei Kisel.

    After receiving the order from the factory representatives, the tanks will be trained to participate in the Victory Parade on Red Square in Moscow.

    The T-90M is equipped with a new combat turret module with a powerful 125 mm tank gun, which provides the use of new high-efficiency ammunition, as well as a guided missile that allows you to destroy enemy tanks at a range of up to 5 km. The high-speed characteristics of the T-90M tank, fuel efficiency and power reserve are provided by a diesel engine with a capacity of 1,130 hp.

    https://function.mil.ru/news_page/country/more.htm?id=12348272@egNews

    NOTE: this would be the second T-90M battalion starting. The 27th Guards Motor Rifle brigade presently operates T-90A's.

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    Post  George1 Thu Mar 11, 2021 3:13 pm

    The entry of T-90M tanks into service in the Guards Tank Army of the Western Military District.



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