jhelb wrote:Viktor wrote:Krasuha-4
Viktor, assuming there is a dogfight over Moscow between a Russian Su 35 and a NATO F 35, is it still possible for Russian AirForce/Army to use ground based EW systems against the F 35 knowing fully well that in the process, they may affect the Su 35s as well? Thank You.
Not viktor... but..
ABout your question..
RUssia maybe have developed also electronics that are resistant to this counter electronics.
or maybe they just can focus their energy on a single small mobile target.. like Dish antennas do.. that they need to point directly to a direction to receive a signal. But flying over moscow that will never happen.. Any F-35 will be stop in cold even before it enter Russia airspace.
They are not invisible planes in any way.. they still can be detected with any old radar.. what stealth does is reduce the distance they are detected.. nothing more or less. But with modern radars of low band ,and Infra red optics. it is possible to detect planes stealth planes from far distances.. doppler radars for example can detect birds or clouds in air. So you cannot completely hide from radars..
About Russia counter electronics hardware this looks like serious stuff...
IF it is half as good as they claim ,it will be a real game changer.. only comparable
to the invention of the Radar in world war 2 ,that allowed allies to easily detect German
Uboats beyond visual distance ,so no longer they could hide.. and as game changer as the use of planes in combat. Because if Russia ECW works half as good as they claim?
Then it will be impossible for NATO to use any precision weapon against Russia
but is even more.. Because apparently they is not only jamming ..but also can damage
the equipment and shut it down.
Because this sounds too good to be true..
Lets downscale this a little and say that it works as advertised but only against electronic hardware developed in the 70s ,80s and interrupt the communications to any military hardware developed in the 90s. but that no longer works in any way with more modern technology from late 90s to 2015.
If Russian ECW do half as good as they claim.. it will means that pretty much NATO will have non weapons to fight Russia ,because any missile or rocket..with sensors and radio guidance or TV on its warhead will not work..
So Javelins missiles will not work.. will be shutdown ,burned its electronics or at least cut its radio control guidance.. same with Israeli SPike missiles. Same with any American anti tank weapon that have radio guidance. same with any GPS cruise missile or even ballistic missile.
You read about about Baltic States and other NATO not using the latest communication encryption from US.. but it will not matter..since Russia dont need to intercept ,all they will do is
create a real strong interference that will block radio communications through air.
All this means ,is that if RUssia counter electronics are half as good as they say.. NATO will have
to fight the old ways of world war 1.. war of trenches ,using just classical non guided bomb artillery.. and people on foot.. because tanks will neither work..
NATO Cruise missiles will fail..once enter in the zone of electronic attack. will either miss its guidance and land miles away of its target or even turn off its engine and just fall from sky.
Tomahakws and harpoons useless. to. Manpads missiles trying to hit a plane or helicopter armed with such electronic warfare will turn off before do impact and not explode.
and if such radioelectronic weapons deployed inside many satellites in space it could turn off Trident missiles too or any ICBM will shutdown its power unit and engines.
This is what i call real wishful thinking .. or if true.. the most revolutionary weapon ever invented in modern times ,since the plane or Radar was invented. Oh an nuclear weapons missiles also depends on electronics on its warhead or engine to detonate..
IF Russia can shutdown satellites too with radio electronic attacks ,as they claim now working..that will truly leave blind NATO forces.. and with no way to fight... other than visual distance trench war ,using world war 2 weapons.. at least for them..
But for sure can be countered.. with modern weapons.. other wise Russia will not be able
to use the technology because could damage their own electronics. but even in this way.. is serious stuff. US navy and US airforce but also US Army.. is largely made its inventory of
weapons from the 80s to the 90s.. they have not pushed a lot to modernize their missiles.
Only Europeans have done that. Interesting stuff...
Imagine for example ,if the counter electronic equipment Russia promoting only worked well against hardware designed in the 70s and 80s.. this still will be huge.. For example it could allow Russia to have a field day , with planes and tanks in Syria ,watching Rebels manpads failing one after another.. and rebel anti tank missiles failing too. they will simply not explode and not even reach the target.. the engine will shut down of any portable missiles.This are the major weapons of extremist groups.. Only light arms will work..grenades too..and classic old artillery too. But anything with modern electronics or sensors or radio guidance or lazer guidance missile or communication equipment will not work. Control Remote activated Road side bombs neither will work.. neither tanks will move..basically a real revolution of warfare..that completely change the way modern wars are fought.
for people skeptic about electromagnetic weapons or counter electronics ..
THis is a homemade EMP gun..
Notice how no physical contact is need to disable electronic equipment.
US army also have counter electronics too , this is not new..but it looks like Russia
have taken it to a whole new level.. way beyond what US armed forces have done.
IMHO it will be a real mistake for Russia to sell this very advanced weapons to anyone in the west.. and even to their allies.. it should be very easy for US to bribe any nation with lots of money to reverse engineer the technology... at best only CHINA and India..but no others.,,
because the risk is very high of the technology falling in wrong hands.