Syrian War: News #17

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

par far wrote:"ISRAELI AIR FORCE ALLEGEDLY USED GBU-39 SMALL GBU-39 SMALL DIAMETER BOMBS IN LAST NIGHT STRIKE ON SYRIA – REPORTS."

perhaps this is the reason behind TOR-2 shipment to Syria?

Could be, but how effective are is TOR-2 system against these types of missiles?

I would have ordered more Pantsirs instead of Tors, but if that's what the Syrian air defense forces want, then lets hope it's the M2 variant with 16 missiles instead of 8.

par far wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:

par far wrote:"ISRAELI AIR FORCE ALLEGEDLY USED GBU-39 SMALL GBU-39 SMALL DIAMETER BOMBS IN LAST NIGHT STRIKE ON SYRIA – REPORTS."

perhaps this is the reason behind TOR-2 shipment to Syria?

Could be, but how effective are is TOR-2 system against these types of missiles?

From what i understand, the Tor system main advantage is it's ability to operate in high jamming environments, other than that, it's recent variants can be considered more as point defense systems, specifically to intercept hostile munitions.

par far wrote:

perhaps this is the reason behind TOR-2 shipment to Syria?

Could be, but how effective are is TOR-2 system against these types of missiles?

That's what it was designed for.  

After wiki:

"Gauntlet". Tor was also the first air defence system in the world designed from the start to shoot down precision guided weapons like the AGM-86 ALCM[2] day and night, in bad weather and jamming situation.[3] Tor can detect targets while on the move.

AlfaT8 wrote:I would have ordered more Pantsirs instead of Tors, but if that's what the Syrian air defense forces want, then lets hope it's the M2 variant with 16 missiles instead of 8.

like that in Khmeimim ?

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@Vann7

I agree that a counter attack does not have to wait . At least answering back right now will have positive psychological effect for our troops . And limit their preparations too . Until we are ready for a full counter strike . Even if Russia and Iran do not want to engage directly against yank and Co . Syrians can . They can fire back . Not just defend . As long as this response is not too big , and if possible not against a territory of another country. Best hit back in open international sky or sea or Syrian land . Then who in west cares if a few of them die ? At least not hundreds or thousands at first . The numbers need to be built up slowly if needed . And we can post pictures of corpses of men and material .......

PS : when usraeli jet F16 was shot down , did the world come to an end ? In fact I think , it stopped operations for a while . So this is called systematic desensitisation . Gradually they get used to the idea . And slowly they move away ( alive ) . This is much better than massive defence or attack , after months of doing nothing . Sure they could back off big time . But fearing for their survival , they could fight on even harder .

par far wrote:
Exactly. Just wait, I know it sucks but there is little that can be done right now. Maybe keep the ammo depots underground from now.

Sure, or harden them, and beef up AD to the greatest extent possible, as soon as possible. I know it's very hard for the Iranians and Syrians to keep their cool after such brutal provocations. But for now, they'd be wise to stay cool and maybe try something in the diplomatic and political arena, like bringing these unprovoked attacks to the attention of the UN, and asking for some sort of punitive measures against Israel. I know--fat chance it'll work as intended--but it's a way to blow off steam without getting blown up....

par far wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:Russian must exterminate the Jews. We cannot progress otherwise. They are half bomb anyway.

This is just too extreme and not a wise thing to say. But it is true that, the Jews really not like Russia because of its strong roots to Christianity, because they destroyed their plans for Syria and Russia created a mutlipolar world, that goes against the unipolar world(where the Jews were Kings.) It goes back to WW2, it was the Jews that were responsible for the deaths of millions of Russians. The Jews would have liked Russia to remain like it was after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

And this here gentlemen is what you get when you take bullshit and add another layer of bullshit on top of it...

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:

Hannibal Barca wrote:Russian must exterminate the Jews. We cannot progress otherwise. They are half bomb anyway.

This is just too extreme and not a wise thing to say. But it is true that, the Jews really not like Russia because of its strong roots to Christianity, because they destroyed their plans for Syria and Russia created a mutlipolar world, that goes against the unipolar world(where the Jews were Kings.) It goes back to WW2, it was the Jews that were responsible for the deaths of millions of Russians. The Jews would have liked Russia to remain like it was after the collapse of the Soviet Union.

And this here gentlemen is what you get when you take bullshit and add another layer of bullshit on top of it...

This is no bullshit, it was Putin who said himself, that it was Jews that that were responsible for the deaths of Russians during WW2. You seem to be enjoying the destructionof Syria here more than anyone, you should join the pro NATO forums, you will fit right in.

starman wrote:

par far wrote:
Exactly. Just wait, I know it sucks but there is little that can be done right now. Maybe keep the ammo depots underground from now.

Sure, or harden them, and beef up AD to the greatest extent possible, as soon as possible. I know it's very hard for the Iranians and Syrians to keep their cool after such brutal provocations. But for now, they'd be wise to stay cool and maybe try something in the diplomatic and political arena, like bringing these unprovoked attacks to the attention of the UN, and asking for some sort of punitive measures against Israel. I know--fat chance it'll work as intended--but it's a way to blow off steam without getting blown up....

I don’t think that UN will do anything, what Iran should do in response is start military operations in Southern Syria, close to the Israeli border. As for the ammo depots, spread them around and hardened them.

par far wrote:.........

This is no bullshit, it was Putin who said himself, that it was Jews that that were responsible for the deaths of Russians during WW2. You seem to be enjoying the destructionof Syria here more than anyone, you should join the pro NATO forums, you will fit right in.

Link?

par far wrote:


This is no bullshit, it was Putin who said himself, that it was Jews that that were responsible for the deaths of Russians during WW2. You seem to be enjoying the destructionof Syria here more than anyone, you should join the pro NATO forums, you will fit right in.

Yews... Zionists... Lizard people... mind control, chemtrails... Elvis is alive....

nomadski wrote:@Vann7

I agree that a counter attack does not have to wait . At least answering back right now will have positive psychological effect for our troops . And limit their preparations too . Until we are ready for a full counter strike . Even if Russia and Iran do not want to engage directly against yank and Co . Syrians  can . They can fire back . Not just defend . As long as this response is not too big , and  if possible not against a territory  of another country. Best hit back  in open international sky or sea or Syrian land . Then who  in west cares if a few of them die  ? At least not hundreds or thousands at first . The numbers need to be built up slowly if needed . And  we can post pictures of corpses of men and material .......

PS : when usraeli jet  F16 was shot down , did the world come to an end ? In fact I think , it stopped operations for a while .  So this is called systematic desensitisation . Gradually they get used to the idea . And slowly they move away  ( alive ) . This is much better than massive defence or attack , after months of doing nothing . Sure they could back off big time . But fearing for their survival , they could fight on even harder .

Israel was largely quiet during the Syrian war because most of Syria was under occupation by terrorist and they though Syria had no chance to survive .Israel had thousands of Assets in Damascus ,they were planning to use to capture the Syrian capital. When ISIS was winning ,Israel had no need to interfere..
but as soon as ISIS began to lose territory and lost palmyra and NATO-Israel terrorist lose Aleppo ,the panic started.., and  then US and ISrael terrorist defeated in Eastern Ghouta ,that was the last nail in the coffin of their plans to over run all Syria with ISIS. So this is why Netanyahu is now more frequently attacking Syria . IT fears US redrawing from the conflict ,and so is trying to restart the war and cheer lead NATO into more attacks on Syria. they want to Pressure Russia away from Syria and allow Israel to invade Syria southern Zone as a "buffer zone". But Israel is not turkey.. it does not have a large country ,neither a large Army or a large economy to sustain a full scale war with Syria for months with Russia providing logistical help to Syria. If ISIS was instead of Syria ,targeting Israel..it will have been over run in the first 2 years of the war ,long time ago.. since Israel can't use nukes on its own cities ,on its own civilians used as human shields. Syria ,IRAN and HEzbolah combined domestic missile forces can seriously damage any invasion of Israel and even cause massive damages on Israel infrastructure and cities and make it very very expensive for any Israel adventure in Syria.. Hezbolah with far less capabilities ,with just 12,000 paramilitary groups, paralized Israel economy for 1 month , with lots of material damage in Israel ,and the cost in missiles that Israel had to use to intercept missiles was painful too , was very high too. So this is the only thing Israel fears.. and is not
coincidence that is the major reason that Israel wants the nuclear deal with IRAN canceled.. Netanyahu is afraid of the dozens of thousands of Iranian scud like missiles ,if they were launched all of them , in hundred of salvos every time ,it can overwhelm easily israel defenses. Dozen of thousands of enhanced scud like missiles, guided by chinnesse satellite guidance can in real practice do as much damage as 2-3 nuclear attacks. This is because even when the explosion is far weaker.. of a conventional missile.. contrary to a vanilla nuke that the energy is concentrated in one place... a dozen of thousands of scud like missiles will destroy a dozen of thousands places, and
this is something they fear a lot.. very much.. they know they can't handle an attack of such level.. and while hezbolah in lebanon do not have the geography to sustain the low level nukes attacks of Israel.. Iran in the other hand can ..specially if get a little help from Russia.

So Russia should be exploring the idea of IRAN starting retaliating Israel for their attacks in Syria. A dozen of scud like missiles flying to Israel. even if they intercepted will cause major panic in the population.. and will for the first time
teach Netanyahu that their actions already crossed a red line for Russia. and will have Very Expensive negative consequences for Israel and for his popularity too ,and that he will provoke major destruction of Israel infrastructure if continue Bombing Syria.  

He will be in big trouble if provoke IRAN into a mass scale attack.. only when Force is used..
Israel will back down in Syria.. and so Russia should consider to use IRAN to hit Israel.. that will allow Russia to play
the same games of Israel..that claims is "attacking" IRAN.. when in reality their attacks are aimed at reversing Russia success in Syria and help ISIS and other terrorist to increase their morale.  Once all the small pockets in damascus ,Homs,and Hama is cleared ,and southern Syria taken.. Israel will see that any attacks on Syria will be pointless and will help no terrorist any more.. and will be quiet. but for now they attacking Syria in hopes to encouraging NATO to continue its attacks on Syria..

I really believe that IRAN conventional scud like missiles if provided precision by Russia,can have as much deterrence than Israel nuclear program. this is because Israel is a small country and its economy zones concentrated in not a large area., with the major advantage that conventional missiles will not have the same impact ,in international opinion that using Nuclear weapons .or the major risk of Russia retaliating israel with nukes if Israel use nuclear weapons that could affect the radiation on its Armenian allies next to IRAN.. In short Russia can play a game too...
using IRAN.. if Israel continues threatening the security of Russia operations in Syria and Russian soldiers lives.
and this without Russia having to interfere directly..  

This is no bullshit, it was Putin who said himself, that it was Jews that that were responsible for the deaths of Russians during WW2.

Not all jews support Netanyahu actions in Syria ,and there are jews who support Russia and Putin.. So generalizations is foolish. Jews are not united..neither are christians.. so there are rotten apples in every place.

PapaDragon wrote:

par far wrote:.........

This is no bullshit, it was Putin who said himself, that it was Jews that that were responsible for the deaths of Russians during WW2. You seem to be enjoying the destructionof Syria here more than anyone, you should join the pro NATO forums, you will fit right in.

Link?

I will get you a link, I am at work on my not so smartphone, I don't know how to post link on it but when I get home the first thing I will do is post the link.

nomadski wrote:@Vann7

I agree that a counter attack does not have to wait . At least answering back right now will have positive psychological effect for our troops . And limit their preparations too . Until we are ready for a full counter strike . Even if Russia and Iran do not want to engage directly against yank and Co . Syrians  can . They can fire back . Not just defend . As long as this response is not too big , and  if possible not against a territory  of another country. Best hit back  in open international sky or sea or Syrian land . Then who  in west cares if a few of them die  ? At least not hundreds or thousands at first . The numbers need to be built up slowly if needed . And  we can post pictures of corpses of men and material .......

PS : when usraeli jet  F16 was shot down , did the world come to an end ? In fact I think , it stopped operations for a while .  So this is called systematic desensitisation . Gradually they get used to the idea . And slowly they move away  ( alive ) . This is much better than massive defence or attack , after months of doing nothing . Sure they could back off big time . But fearing for their survival , they could fight on even harder .

Is it not illegal to hit someone over international sky or sea? I thought it was.

These are the buildings at the 47 Brigade that were flattened last night. Some very specific and accurate targetting by the IAF. Given the light explosive weight of the SDB there must have been quite a flock of them.

par far wrote:...........
I will get you a link, I am at work on my not so smartphone, I don't know how to post link on it but when I get home the first thing I will do is post the link.

I am eagerly anticipating arrival of link that was promised

And I will keep reminding you of it

You need to give it to Israelis, they do know how to fight. I mean seriously, their planning and intelligence gathering is just mindblowing.

Militarov wrote:You need to give it to Israelis, they do know how to fight. I mean seriously, their planning and intelligence gathering is just mindblowing.

And baseblowing

Militarov wrote:You need to give it to Israelis, they do know how to fight. I mean seriously, their planning and intelligence gathering is just mindblowing.

They monitor syria with satellites everyday. Not surprising they knew where to hit. You also jave to admit USA are their dogs so when they ask for informations they give them specially now that Trump is totally pro Israel.

Considering the explosion of the target, it seems like they hit iranian ballistic missiles which are easily seen by satelliites. That would be stupid from iran to move them in syria where israeli can do whatever they want.

Isos wrote:

Militarov wrote:You need to give it to Israelis, they do know how to fight. I mean seriously, their planning and intelligence gathering is just mindblowing.

They monitor syria with satellites everyday. Not surprising they knew where to hit. You also jave to admit USA are their dogs so when they ask for informations they give them specially now that Trump is totally pro Israel.

Considering the explosion of the target, it seems like they hit iranian ballistic missiles which are easily seen by satelliites. That would be stupid from iran to move them in syria where israeli can do whatever they want.

Israelis were always using airspaces of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and others as proving grounds. Mostly their strikes even went completely unchallenged. Low flying, EW, long distance launches... they hit what they want without ever alarming defences.

There are other countries that have same resoruces on their disposal as Israel, even more, yet they cant plan holday shopping properly.

PapaDragon wrote:

Militarov wrote:You need to give it to Israelis, they do know how to fight. I mean seriously, their planning and intelligence gathering is just mindblowing.

And baseblowing

I really think this is the most stupid thing Israel has done in decades. They are hitting Iran that’s busy fighting a war Israel needs to keep hot. This however just gives in more power to Russia. A power Israel is reluctant to deal with. Russia going in so far has shortened the war, not lengthen it. How fucking stupid is that. This is probably right there with the Suez Canal fiasco and the Peace in Galilea suicide. But this time, they are doing it while also killing common folk left & right. Some really short-sighted hustle from Netanyahu.

KoTeMoRe wrote:I really think this is the most stupid thing Israel has done in decades. They are hitting Iran that’s busy fighting a war Israel needs to keep hot. This however just gives in more power to Russia. A power Israel is reluctant to deal with. Russia going in so far has shortened the war, not lengthen it. How fucking stupid is that. This is probably right there with the Suez Canal fiasco and the Peace in Galilea suicide. But this time, they are doing it while also killing common folk left & right. Some really short-sighted hustle from Netanyahu.

To be honest i dont think Netanyahu himself has major say in military matters.

From twiiter.. from wael

Israel PM nutanyahu is doubling down in escalation.
They now passed a resolution authorizing declaration of war for Netanyahu against
any enemy as long it have the support of the minister of defense. So Israel is hinting
that if they are not allowed to freely bomb Syria ,will declare war against "IRAN" in Syria.
So Israel will seek to destroy "IRAN" in Syria to the last Syrian soldier and last Syrian air defense
and to the last Syrian army munitions depot..

So expect the attacks to increase now.. on a daily basics.. Hopefully Putin
will not be too busy celebrating the good atmosphere of FIFA Olympics to realize ,Israel already
is in a open War (indirect war) against Russia but that in public they call it ,that is bombing IRAN
and is missiles.. But in reality what is doing is trying to weaken Syrian army advances and trying
to restart the war..The last thing Netanyahu wants is a strong Syria that can counter its hegemony
in the middle east.. reason why israel is doing everything they can to partition Syria and reverse Russia gains
against ISIS. now the US secretary of State is inciting Jordan to join Israel in the attacks on IRAN in Syria.
So essentially Israel will now replace the role of ISIS. and is planning to continue bombing Syria until Putin
wakes up its passiveness ,and either retreat from Syria or he gives a bloody nose to Netanyahu in Syria to pacify
them.. my Best guess is that they planning a new offensive from Jordan ,will use US military base as a starting point ,in eastern Syria and deploy a large Forces to invade Syria again... This could be done to force Syrian army to retreat to the defense of the capital..and boost the terrorist advances in other zones...  usually when such important visits
happens in Jordan and a new law created by Israel about declaring war against their enemies..is because they
already have a major plan a new strategy for the Defeat of Syria and Russia and IRAN. So stay tune.. the most difficult
times for Syria and Russia are still yet to come.. and i suspect all this new major offensives will start in near future
,when Putin's FIFA olympics are about start..

Israelis were always using airspaces of Syria, Lebanon, Iraq and others as proving grounds. Mostly their strikes even went completely unchallenged. Low flying, EW, long distance launches... they hit what they want without ever alarming defences.

There are other countries that have same resoruces on their disposal as Israel, even more, yet they cant plan holday shopping properly.

But you need to remember that his freedom is allowed by Russia for valid or not reasons.. this is a power
Russia ALLOWS Israel to have.. Those S-400s and S-300s and Russian combat planes will stop those Israeli tactics
in no time. Flying low will not work if you have planes on your tail ,locking you. flying in Lebanon or Jordan neither if Russia hit the planes there too. using their long range missiles no longer possible if their planes pushed farther. And their planes not even allowed to get in range of their missiles to be launched. So i see nothing impressive at all in Israel tactics.. Hit and Run and abusing of borders and Russia rules of engagement to target Syria... Is not bravery
at all but desperation and mental insanity what Netanyahu is doing.. provoking Russia into a war ..can only happen
if you are a madman ,totally disconnected from reality.

But if this was a war direct war between Russia and Israel ,like it never happened before ,not even in Egypt ,you will not be so impressed..  Israel airforce those F-16s pose no challenge to Russia airforce or S-400s. and Israel no longer will be in the offensive as now but in the defense , Iskanders will be hitting Israeli military airports non stop ,S-400s and electronic warfare will keep Israel planes blind and too far away of Syria and Israel army is even weaker ,so they will give up the fighting withing hours after they see their airdefenses are easily penetrated by Russia Iskanders and of losing a couple of military bases and dozens of planes. Modern Russia if it want it ,can deploy assets in Syria to easily overwhelm Israel military ,in ways soviets could not do ,using conventional weapons.. that is..  So hit and run tactics is only possible when a nation limits its interception to its own airspace.. in a real war.. there are no rules..and Russia airforce will shutdown those Israeli planes from any place ,including international airspace..and Israeli navy destroyed. thats how a real war works.. and Russia can very well force Israel to peace by the use of Force.

No this is a military option through a political lens. The IDF gave up on hitting Iran three years ago because of the nuclear deal. Unless Netanyahu has lost control of his own cabinet, this is his crappy job. Not the first time he tries to get by blunt agression what he lost by diplomacy. Even if Trump tries to get back to the previous situation, Iran can count on Europe to maintain the Dtatu quo. In the mean time the military option vs Iran will probably cement an Eurasian block and will result in subtle surprises in Iran’s near abroad. And if push comes to shove, invading Iran will look like Apoca-fucking-lypse the moment Israel cheers for this.