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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:41 am

    Asians weren't perfect as well. They had unimaginable amount of wars and death. This is what stunted them.
    at least they didn't bring any African slaves to Europe & the Americas for profit!
    Slavery initially helped there but later it became anachronism & an obstacle to capitalism. Besides, cheap Asian labor was extensively used in the Philippines, Hawaii & in N. America on sugar cane plantations, transcontinental railroad construction, & in mining. Anti-Chinese riots happened in several large cities & restrictions were placed on their immigration. But without them, where would the USA be now?
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    Post  Regular on Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:53 am

    Oh boy! Did I read it wrong in a late hour or you just kidding me? Do you honestly think that slavery didn't exist in Asia?
    I won't lie you by telling that it was more prominent than in Africa where it existed without whites as well.
    Read into it. There are tons of interesting topics to cover.

    Our Indian members would tell you about their plight. Indians were sold around Asia by foreign invaders and pirates.
    I don't think there was ethnic group that escaped slavery in Asia.

    Who were biggest slavers in Asia?

    Mongol empire and various khanates after them? "Lovely" Crimean tatars among them as well.

    Asian pirates?

    Chinese dynasties?

    Russians were selling kholops in Novgorod as well.

    I don't there are ethnic group there that didn't have them being sold by various slavers.

    Blacks, Native Indians, all except remote innocent tribes, we're practing slavery.

    And just to tingle your curiousity... Guess what group was financing and owning slaver ships world wide?.. surely, there's one group of people who were always in for the money. Very Happy
    Portuguese and Spaniards were big into slavery, yet our dear merchats had financial presence even their own slave armadas..

    There are plenty of modern slavery in Asia and in Africa today.

    Only people that don't have past of slavery are secluded tribes in Amazon, Africa, Polynesia.

    Hell, it's easy to become mysanthrope just by reading about it.
    US slave trade was probably worst thing that could happen to the continent. And transatlantic slavery was run like Wallstreet. Few rich people that caused suffering for millions. Black slaves, differently than Asian enslaved workers, didn't work on infrastructure, they worked for fat rich plantation owners. It only benefited small group of people. And yes, it was ineffective and ethically wrong to it's core. But American Revolution wasn't about the slavery, but about power struggle with noble cause as a veil.

    Blaming whole US or it's people for it would be like blaming today's mongols for Ghengis Khan crimes. It's not the same as blaming people who actually never changed their ways.
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    Post  jhelb on Wed Dec 11, 2019 1:47 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Will mods ban this KKK fluffer before he embarrasses his Wehrmacht grandfather and local prostitute grandmother with his low quality Nazi cheerleading efforts?

    While Neo Nazis are flourishing in Serbia.

    http://www.europe-solidaire.org/spip.php?article48308
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Dec 11, 2019 5:59 pm

    Regular wrote:Do you honestly think that slavery didn't exist in Asia? Who were biggest slavers in Asia?..
    Mongol empire and various khanates after them? "Lovely" Crimean tatars among them as well.
    it did; however, the Phoenicians, Greeks, Romans, & Med. Sea pirates were also heavily involved in the slave trade.
    Russians were selling kholops in Novgorod as well.
    so were the Vikings, selling slaves to Greeks, Persians & Arabs.
    Blacks, Native Indians, all except remote innocent tribes, we're practicing slavery.
    not all- the Native tribes in the NW N. America did; elsewhere, captives were either killed or assimilated.
    US slave trade was probably worst thing that could happen to the continent.
    FYI, most captured Africans were brought to Brazil, by the Portuguese.
    Blaming whole US or it's people for it would be like blaming today's mongols for Ghengis Khan crimes.
    true, but we r talking about how the European civilization got ahead of others, which is by subversion violence & exploitation on a bigger worldwide scale.
    I can argue that, in many respects, the Japanese civilization is superior to it: they adopted many things from China, Korea, & the West while preserving their culture, all w/o being colonized. After 1945, the US occupation wasn't full colonization & the Emperor kept his throne. Now they have good relations with nuclear armed UK, India & France + Australia, while also capable of producing 100s of nukes & BMs, in case the ongoing protection by the USA stops.
    Now the Ukraine is a de-facto colony- once the best land is bought by big corporations, it'll be a repeat of what happened in England at the start of the Industrial Revolution.
    There’s no miracle solution to Ukraine conflict


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    Post  par far on Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:24 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    I don't think letting in blacks into your country is ever a good choice. But I don't think many if them will live in Russia for long because Russia does not have the free welfare system that the west. The niggers need that, they don't want to work.

    [quote="So are they lazy because they are black?

    It was black slaves that built up the wealth of a lot of very very rich families in the US, so perhaps they feel they have a right to sit on their arses and do nothing... like the white censored  their ancestors were forced to work for.

    How many black people do you actually know personally?

    I know a few and they are more hard working than I am to be honest.

    Of course you take the most hard working people around and say... hey you can either work your ass off for $200 a week in some demeaning manual job where you can get injured or killed... or you can be unemployed and get $180 a week... now keep in mind with that job you need to spend money on a car to get to and from work every day, and fill it with fuel, and of course you need to wear clothes that need to be cleaned every day... working costs money... that is why rich people avoid work when they can, because it is not a great way to increase your wealth.


    The only reason the niggers worked were because they had no choice, look at Africa today, there is nothing there, they don't want to work for anything.

    Look at major US cities, the negro neighborhoods are total mess, abandoned houses, crime, drugs and looting. In Europe it is the same.



    [quote="Yeah... a group of high IQ White people here in New Zealand just got killed because they were standing on a volcanic island having a look when it erupted... if only those blacks from Africa were as smart as us white people...

    How much time have you spent in Africa... you do know the Pyramids are in Egypt... which is in Africa...

    When you hear rich white land owners saying the dumb blacks are coming to steal their land and if they get it everyone will starve because they don't know how to farm like we can... to put it in context close your eyes and think of a rich American   like Trump saying poor people shouldn't be allowed to own land because they are stupid because if they were smart they would be rich like me instead of working three minimum wage jobs just to pay the mortgage on the house they live in.

    I realise you are angry and feel violated that these foreigners have come and are ruining things... how do you think they felt over the last few centuries with white people coming with guns and drugs and alcohol stealing land and resources and then making the locals into slaves on what was their own land.[/quote]

    [quote="When you look at the development of the countries over the last century, the negro countries in Africa have not achieved anything. Look at where China was 30 years and where Russia was 30 years ago and compare it with African countries, you will see how the negros are not educated.[/quote]


    You don't need brains for that.

    [quote="Most white people wouldn't last a week not being able to buy food and water from a shop... hell if you took away their car keys half of them wouldn't survive in their own home.[/quote]

    This statement is both false and true. It is false because of the environment they live in, if they needed, they would have adjusted. It is true

    The niggers are lazy and don't want to work after the world wars, people from Europe could have moved out but they stayed and rebuilt their country.

    [quote="The fact that they are making it all the way to Europe suggests these are not the lazy ones... and millions of Europeans left europe after WWII... millions of them... and those heroic people who rebuilt europe were too stupid to stop WWI and WWII from happening in the first place and that same ignorance is likely going to doom us to a WWIII if they don't change their ways... they need a bad guy to blame for everything and to motivate the population... after WWI it was the Germans which resulted in WWII being necessary... after WWII it is the Russians that are the bad guys... how is that turning out by the way?[/quote]

    After a war of course some people are going to leave but the fact is that Europe rebuilt itself to first world level and the negro countries could not do the same. As for the world wars, it was wars for the bankers.

    [qutoe]And after World War 2 people in Japan and Soviet Union did the same thing.
    [/quote]

    What choice did they have?

    I don't think letting in blacks into your country is ever a good choice. But I don't think many if them will live in Russia for long because Russia does not have the free welfare system that the west. The niggers need that, they don't want to work. niggers that are coming in are not going to work, why would they work, they get everything for free.

    [quote="You have an interesting view of black people... do you think their skin colour makes them lazy. If you think it is genetic, do you think Richard Pryor or the Will Smith are lazy? In your experience do lazy people move to a totally different country with a completely different culture and language and morals a lot?

    Most of the immigrants are not given citizenship straight away... which means they can't work even if they wanted to and most go looking for work so they can bring the rest of their families over to their new country... which usually makes them prepared to do jobs the locals turn their noses up at because it is dirty or hard work or just shit pay.

    Please read the warning I am going to put on your reply. I am guessing you are white and therefore have a high IQ and will understand what I mean and why I am doing that...[/quote]

    My views of blacks are created by the blacks themselves. And no I am not white.



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    Post  par far on Wed Dec 11, 2019 7:59 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    Regular wrote:What did Finland, Norway and Sweden steal from other countries that they are flooded by swarms of foreign filth?
    Did Russia invade Africa that blacks are now comming to Moscow in droves?


    [quote="When I was young you could travel to any outskirts of Moscow without any fear. The continuous influx of blacks, indians, central asians has made Moscow very unsafe. Ethnic Russians are living in fear and do not travel to these areas even during the day.

    Moscow's wealth attracts a lot of immigrants and almost all of them are third world scumbags who come from africa, india, central asia.

    I'm unable to understand why can't the Kremlin ban the entry of these third world shit faces.

    How true is this? Some who has been to Moscow please tell if this is true? I don't think that most immigrants come to Russia to stay, they want to move to western European countries, which is good for Russia.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:18 pm

    Capitalism attracts the poor like honey attracts bears & shit attracts flies. The RF is #1, with over 11M migrants in 2015:
    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/immigration-statistics

    Since Russia has developing oligarchic capitalism, a lot of them will continue coming, esp. since there's shortage of working age men.
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    Post  par far on Wed Dec 11, 2019 8:32 pm

    Tsavo Lion wrote:Capitalism attracts the poor like honey attracts bears & shit attracts flies. The RF is #1, with over 11M migrants in 2015:
    https://www.macrotrends.net/countries/RUS/russia/immigration-statistics

    Since Russia has developing oligarchic capitalism, a lot of them will continue coming, esp. since there's shortage of working age men.


    When the sanctions hit, the migrants numbers probably went down. Hopefully the Russian government takes steps to make sure the ethnic population of Russia continues to grow, countries that want to keep their tradition and heritage make sure their ethnic population grows.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion on Wed Dec 11, 2019 9:14 pm

    Russia is multi-ethnic & been so for 100s of years; some migrants will stay while most will eventually leave. If they work there, they must learn the Russian language, norms of behaviour & customs.
    "The Melting Pot" phenomenon isn't unique to USA only.
    Putin tries to attract all ethnic Russians from abroad & many did come. But that is a drop in a bucket.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Wed Dec 11, 2019 11:34 pm

    jhelb wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:Will mods ban this KKK fluffer before he embarrasses his Wehrmacht grandfather and local prostitute grandmother with his low quality Nazi cheerleading efforts?

    While Neo Nazis are flourishing in Serbia.

    http://www.europe-solidaire.org/spip.php?article48308


    No they don't

    What few there might be know that they will get their shit kicked in by cops




    Also:

    ...by KUREPA Tadej.

    Oh I'm sure that guy with this name is total expert on all thing Serbia lol1


    ..............There is no national bourgeoisie in Serbia which would support the development of the massive independent fascist movement. However, we can expect that the comprador bourgeoisie, which is firmly on the neoliberal line, will reach for the fascists as a reserve means of terror in the context of the deepening economic or political crisis. But even in this case, it is more likely that the government will use fascists by itself such as “Communal Police”, which already now functions in practice as a private police of the ruling party, or various private security companies who can easily be operated with on a “free market”..........

    Oh this is pure gold, Saturn Award material right here Razz

    Always fun to see Nazi fluffers like yourself using Commie pamphlets as source. Where did you dig up this French trash anyway?





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    Post  kvs on Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:34 am

    Serbia is too busy evolving into a PC Euro-toilet. It is just another species of Nazi trash.

    Humans are such suckers. They can't distinguish the same agenda and behavior because CNN didn't tell them it is so.

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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Dec 12, 2019 2:40 am

    kvs wrote:Serbia is too busy evolving into a PC Euro-toilet. It is just another species of Nazi trash.

    Humans are such suckers. They can't distinguish the same agenda and behavior because CNN didn't tell them it is so.


    How are things is totally independent and Ukrainian Nazi-free Canada my guy?

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    Post  GarryB on Thu Dec 12, 2019 7:08 am

    Will mods ban this KKK fluffer before he embarrasses his Wehrmacht grandfather and local prostitute grandmother with his low quality Nazi cheerleading efforts?

    I have had PM complaints about both par far and Jhelb I am afraid.

    Normally I don't censor what people say of stop them from say what they want, but there are quite a few people offended by the blanket use of the word nigger and applying it to everyone wanting to migrate to europe, and also other comments about all people with non white skin being lazy and trying to con people into giving them the good life for no effort etc etc and I say I agree with them.

    Personally I dislike Nazis more than I dislike racists, because nazis are racist too... I tend to think of them the way I think of Americans... misinformed but happy in their ignorance because it makes accepting the way things are much easier than dealing with the truth that the American way and the western history is a lie.

    A quick look through the rules of the forum don't explicitly state that being racist is against the rules... which in some ways I prefer because if any body says anything critical of Israel then lots of liberals and pro israelis jump up and down about anti semetism and there is no room for discussion or talking further.

    It literally kills the conversation, which doesn't help the victims in that conflict at all.

    There is one rule that that clearly states you need to follow the instructions of a mod... I am a mod... and I am going to both try to remove as much of the racist discussion as I can to the Talking bollocks thread where we can explore why you hate people because the colour of their skin but not eye colour or the colour of their hair so that people interested in teh Ukraine can read about that instead of BS about migration to or from Europe.

    I am happy to admit that a large part of this was my fault for gloating over migrants moving to europe... as a descendant of a european migrant who came here to New Zealand about 7 generations before me I see the damage we did and the changes we made... we did some terrible things here in this paradise and yet we actually walk around this place like we own it...

    A self hating white?

    No. I didn't do anything wrong... I didn't steal anything... I haven't killed anyone, but I am embarrassed when white people go on about culture and civilisation like it means anything. If culture and civilisation meant something it would have been the reasons for not doing what our ancestors did... the fact that they did what they did showed when push comes to shove they weren't that civilised after all... it is like the white germans in the Soviet Union during WWII... don't consider them to be human... it makes them easier to kill and otherwise treat like cattle... well where was their european culture then?

    Makes us sound like the Americans... sure they caused the deaths of millions of people but it was for their own good right... we were trying to do the right thing which was get them a vote and get us some oil and dictators we could control... well not so much the first thing and mostly the second two but we only say the first thing in public... is that what civilisation is? Is that what culture is?

    If you only bring out european culture as an excuse for the bad things Europeans have done the it has no worth at all... if hitler had been the best painter on earth it still would not have compensated for the death and destruction he directed, but if England and France had treated Germany with respect after WWI instead of treating them like they caused it all he never would have had the chance... and we are making exactly the same mistake now with pressure on Russia and China for what.... not being european enough... we spent the best part of the last few centuries reminding them they are not like us why would they want to become like us now?

    The first thing I will do after posting this is to move off topic posts to the talking bollocks thread.... then I may start responding to some messages, but it is like religion... if someone suddenly sees the light and changes religion based on talking to someone they don't know on the internet then their old beliefs and their new beliefs probably aren't worth very much.... (ie I am not expecting to change peoples minds)

    I do, however expect people on this forum to follow instructions and tone down the nazi racist shit... am I clear? (replies to PM only please, lets not make this a public discussion.)
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sun Dec 22, 2019 10:22 pm




    GarryB, that is a very bad example.


    GarryB, you are placing my posts in another thread to make them irrelevant.


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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:19 am

    It is the fairly obvious example... if Ukrainians want to be considered Russians that is fine and that can work. If Ukrainians think they are not Russians then they aren't.

    It is not about history or language or ethnicity... it is cultural... 80 years ago most Kiwis identified as being British, but all the bullshit about the EU common market and the cutting of ties to europe and britain many kiwis now look to the us or Australia, or just ourselves.

    I think if the UK thinks that when it leaves the EU that it can take the reins of the british commonwealth and start to dictate to us what will or will not happen they might be in for a shock. We learned the hard way to find new markets, and now they are leaving the EU we might add them as a trade partner but on very different terms that before... we will trade as equals or not at all... which might come as a shock to them of course.

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    Post  jhelb on Mon Dec 23, 2019 12:11 pm

    GarryB wrote:I think if the UK thinks that when it leaves the EU that it can take the reins of the british commonwealth and start to dictate to us what will or will not happen they might be in for a shock. We learned the hard way to find new markets, and now they are leaving the EU we might add them as a trade partner but on very different terms that before... we will trade as equals or not at all... which might come as a shock to them of course.

    Just out of curiosity what does NZ want to export to UK ?

    Top of my head, New Zeland's biggest export market is China. Other Asian countries like Vietnam, India, Indonesia are too poor to afford goods, services produced in New Zealand, Australia.
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    Post  GarryB on Mon Dec 23, 2019 1:49 pm

    Most of what New Zealand exports is dairy products... meat, wool, milk and cheese etc etc... we sent enormous volumes of material to the UK and Europe... they were an important market, but when the UK joined the EU we got shut out of that market completely.

    Gradually we made progress in selling our products there but nothing like what we used to sell which was a bit of a shock to our economy and our political outlook.

    Today we sell a lot of products to China and around the world... we have tariffs on the beef we send to the US because apparently US farmers can't compete with meat sent half a planet to them in terms of quality and price, but we still sell there... presumably to people who don't want to eat meat filled with growth hormones and steroids... ironically I donate blood and on the form I sign every time I donate it clearly states that people who have lived in the UK since the early 1980s can't donate because of mad cow disease... it seems that when we got shut out of the market because EU farmers have a lot of political power, but only tiny farms... to meet the needs they started doing weird things like feeding the remains of cows left over from the slaughter house to other cows... the result was mad cow disease passed between cows who eat the brains of infected cows... ie zombie shit going on there...

    Ah well... we survived...

    BTW a poor country doesn't mean everyone in that country is poor... there are more middle class people on comfortable incomes in China than there are in the US right now. There are plenty of Asians with more money than they know what to do with... but most importantly... and I know this might come as a shock to you... but multi millionaires and even Billionaires actually pay the same for milk as anyone else does... in fact they can afford to buy in bulk so often they pay rather less than a poor person... so to be honest it makes more sense to sell to poor people.

    It is a fact that very rich people and very poor people pay the most for their food.

    The rich people tend to buy more expensive brands that sometimes have better nutritional value but sometimes there is no difference. Poor people tend to buy single packs as they can afford them so they tend to pay full price.
    Middle income people have the funds to wait for specials and bulk buy when things are cheaper and generally overall spend less on food than poor people.

    Advertisers used to aim bulk food deals at poor people, but evidence seems to show that bulk food purchasers tend to be middle class.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Dec 28, 2019 7:52 pm

    https://mobile.twitter.com/ELINTNews/status/1210916520408354816

    Look at the comments lol1 So funny lol1 Allies ...
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    Post  Hole on Sat Dec 28, 2019 9:30 pm

    Really funny that a guy like Nazinyahoo is talking about truth.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:33 pm

    GarryB wrote:It is the fairly obvious example... if Ukrainians want to be considered Russians that is fine and that can work. If Ukrainians think they are not Russians then they aren't.

    It is not about history or language or ethnicity... it is cultural... 80 years ago most Kiwis identified as being British, but all the bullshit about the EU common market and the cutting of ties to europe and britain many kiwis now look to the us or Australia, or just ourselves.

    I think if the UK thinks that when it leaves the EU that it can take the reins of the british commonwealth and start to dictate to us what will or will not happen they might be in for a shock. We learned the hard way to find new markets, and now they are leaving the EU we might add them as a trade partner but on very different terms that before... we will trade as equals or not at all... which might come as a shock to them of course.




    It is a really dumb example. It is totally out of place.


    http://asaland.proboards.com/thread/302/ukraine-participated-invasion-south-ossetia


    Australians and New Zealanders never even fought each other. attack

    It is not only cultural.

    sniper


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    Post  GarryB on Wed Jan 01, 2020 2:23 am

    Australians and New Zealanders never even fought each other.

    Have you never seen an ANZAC Rugby League game or an ANZAC Rugby game?

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    Post  flamming_python on Sat Jan 04, 2020 12:57 am

    I don't like Russia's approach

    It's all about making money, maintaining leverage and trying to balance power in a sensitive area. Which is fair enough.

    But Russia can't treat it's allies like shit, like it's doing with Armenia, even if it's not turning their back on them.

    Now Russia is shitting a brick over Lukashenko flirting with the West, even though it likes to pretend it isn't. But what's the surprise here. Lukashenko offered full integration, with opportunities for Russian defense industry contracts for Belarussian companies. Russia didn't like that, it insisted that Kamaz must own MZKT and so on.
    Then Lukashenko proposed equal energy prices for Russia and Belarus. Again it's a fair proposal, if both countries want to form some sort of confederation. But Russia looked to maximize profit and avoid handouts. Under Putin, who has been stating publically that Lenin's division of the Russian Empire into seperate union republics and autonomous republics within larger ones - was a mistake - Russia seems to be insisting that the only way Belarus can get such conditions is that if it becomes part of Russia. But that's completely unreasonable; they're their own large sovereign people with their own country. Why should they accept provincial status in Russia?

    This is also the reason Russia lost the Ukraine. It didn't even pay any attention to it, until the EU started to make a move. It had 20 years to deepen ties with the Ukraine, pursue integration projects, rather than constantly squabbling with the Ukraine over gas prices and offering to buy the Slava cruiser for $0. Completely ridiculous.

    Russia with this attitude will lose Belarus, and it will lose Armenia. It acts like these countries have no other options; but that's true only for the time being.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Jan 04, 2020 1:24 am

    Why should they accept provincial status in Russia?

    It's a shithole country with poor people anf a paria dictator. They can turn to EU as much they want, they won't be helped. The only considaration westerns can think about them is to destroy them like they did in Ukraine to harm russian sphere of influence.

    Forming a big country with Russia will help both parties since the bigger you are the better is you situation and the safer you are.

    Is there really a difference btw belorussians and russians ?
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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Jan 04, 2020 2:55 am

    flamming_python wrote:I don't like...

    What Russia needs to do with Lukashenko is to have him used as decoration for lamppost in downtown Minsk and to arrange for someone more cooperative to get into the office

    It's a tried and true solution that always gets results and which Russian Western partners have been using successfully for ages

    Russia had been pussyfooting around him (and others) way too much

    As for the Ukraine have you missed the part where for better half of the century the Ukrainians have been worshipping Nazis and prefered to starve to death rather than to have anything to do with Russia?

    They have despised you all since forever and while they would not say no to free stuff you have been giving them all this time they would never reduce themselves to voluntarily be part of anything that involves you


    It was clear as day to anyone except Russians apparently...



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    Post  miketheterrible on Sat Jan 04, 2020 4:18 am

    flamming_python wrote:I don't like Russia's approach

    It's all about making money, maintaining leverage and trying to balance power in a sensitive area. Which is fair enough.

    But Russia can't treat it's allies like shit, like it's doing with Armenia, even if it's not turning their back on them.

    Now Russia is shitting a brick over Lukashenko flirting with the West, even though it likes to pretend it isn't. But what's the surprise here. Lukashenko offered full integration, with opportunities for Russian defense industry contracts for Belarussian companies. Russia didn't like that, it insisted that Kamaz must own MZKT and so on.
    Then Lukashenko proposed equal energy prices for Russia and Belarus. Again it's a fair proposal, if both countries want to form some sort of confederation. But Russia looked to maximize profit and avoid handouts. Under Putin, who has been stating publically that Lenin's division of the Russian Empire into seperate union republics and autonomous republics within larger ones - was a mistake - Russia seems to be insisting that the only way Belarus can get such conditions is that if it becomes part of Russia. But that's completely unreasonable; they're their own large sovereign people with their own country. Why should they accept provincial status in Russia?

    This is also the reason Russia lost the Ukraine. It didn't even pay any attention to it, until the EU started to make a move. It had 20 years to deepen ties with the Ukraine, pursue integration projects, rather than constantly squabbling with the Ukraine over gas prices and offering to buy the Slava cruiser for $0. Completely ridiculous.

    Russia with this attitude will lose Belarus, and it will lose Armenia. It acts like these countries have no other options; but that's true only for the time being.

    If they feel that way, then Belarussian can also pay foreign prices on gas. So you are OK giving them prices that Russians regions get, yet also ok they want to be independent?  There is a lot of self contradict right there.

    Lukashenko is fucking up badly. Ukraine is gone as Papa said. Russia's best case is to support seperation in Ukraine to get allied regions and rest of shit hole Ukraine can go beat off American dicks for the cream filling to feed them.

    Russia has a base in Armenia. Azerbaijan won't attack directly because of that.

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