Syrian War: News #16

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Like the September 2016 air raid where A-10's killed around 100 and wounded another 100 or so SAA members.

Assad better hope then Russia actually defends them this time if we do decide to bomb them again.

Riiiight... and given that IS don't have a fucking airforce, why would the DeZ defenders (or the Russians) need to deploy SAM systems? Why should DeZ defenders have expected an air assault by US -led force??

Fuck, you come out with some right bullshit sometimes.

Karl Haushofer wrote:Several Twitter accounts claim that US air strike against SAA will soon come.

Twitter accounts? Well given your impeccable and reliable sources, I guess it must be true then....

Care to suggest a justification for such blatant aggression?

Big_Gazza wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Like the September 2016 air raid where A-10's killed around 100 and wounded another 100 or so SAA members.

Assad better hope then Russia actually defends them this time if we do decide to bomb them again.

Riiiight... and given that IS don't have a fucking airforce, why would the DeZ defenders (or the Russians) need to deploy SAM systems?  Why should DeZ defenders have expected an air assault by US -led force??

Fuck, you come out with some right bullshit sometimes.

S-400';s wherein range the A-10's bombed those positions for over an hour giving the Russians more then enough time to sorties jets if they wished.

Calm yourself my statement was quite fair, I never said the Syrians failed to defend themselves in that situation yes they couldn't.

However Russia could have stopped it but they did not and that is fact

Media: US intends to recognize diplomatically the region under control in Syria in Syria

CAIRO, 7 January. / TASS /. The United States intends in the near future to take steps aimed at the diplomatic recognition of a region in the north of Syria, which is under the control of the forces of the opposition "Forces of Democratic Syria" (SDS). This was reported on Sunday by the inter-Arab newspaper Asharq al-Awsat , referring to the statements of a high-ranking Western representative.


According to him, we are talking about the region east of the Euphrates River, the area of ​​which is about 24 thousand square kilometers - three times the territory of Lebanon. The source of the newspaper added that at present the US administration is developing a new strategy for Syria, including these plans, and the first concrete indications of such intentions came from US Secretary of Defense James Mattis. The head of the Pentagon recently said that Washington will send along with military instructors and American diplomats to areas controlled by the SDS.

Earlier it was reported that the Syrian Kurds, concentrated in northern Syria, with the support of the US-led international coalition began to form the "Army of the North of Syria", which will include, among others, the formation of the SDS.

According to the command of the created paramilitary structure, the main goal of the "Army of the North of Syria" will be "to protect and ensure the security of the borders of the federal region in the north of Syria."

The command of the formed "army" stated that the international coalition "provides it with technical assistance, supplies weapons and is engaged in military training of recruits." It is assumed that the "Army of the north of Syria" will unite the SDS forming opposition to the Syrian government, Kurdish self-defense units and several other disparate groups located in this region. The command of the created structure is convinced that its total number in the border areas will be about 100 thousand people.

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http://tass.ru/mezhdunarodnaya-panorama/4859875

Goat fuckers are not enjoying themselves...   Peto is gonna need to extend his map!

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Like the September 2016 air raid where A-10's killed around 100 and wounded another 100 or so SAA members.

Assad better hope then Russia actually defends them this time if we do decide to bomb them again.

Riiiight... and given that IS don't have a fucking airforce, why would the DeZ defenders (or the Russians) need to deploy SAM systems?  Why should DeZ defenders have expected an air assault by US -led force??

Fuck, you come out with some right bullshit sometimes.

S-400';s wherein range the A-10's bombed those positions for over an hour giving the Russians more then enough time to sorties jets if they wished.

Calm yourself my statement was quite fair, I never said the Syrians failed to defend themselves in that situation yes they couldn't.

However Russia could have stopped it but they did not and that is fact

Russia could have stopped it by inititating direct conflict with US forces, and risk triggering conflict between nuclear-weapon nation states???    Are you nuts?  For the sake of all concerned, lets all hope that Russia isn't going to fire on US aircraft unless they stupidly attack Russian forces.  Lets all also hope that the US can restrain its primitive and violent impulses, but given the mood of the Idiot Nation in its currently polarised state, paralyzed and out of control due to political clan-warfare and Deep State power plays, that's very unlikely.  As a result, we are even more dependent than normal upon the cool-headedness of Putin and his generals to refuse the bait and not respond to idiot provocations.

IMHO the attack on DeZ was likely a deliberate attack by Neo-con influences in the Pentagram, designed to scupper the then-recently announced co-operation/co-ordination between US & Russian forces.  Apparently successful, the perpetrators have never been held accountable, cuz thats just not what we do....

Interesting opinion/background

Premysl Czech Retweeted
EHSANI2
‏ @EHSANI22
41m41 minutes ago

Word/Thread on Harasta/Syria: This front has been quiet for well over 2 years. This relatively benign atmosphere had created a working relationship between the rebels & army where they negotiated through the exchange of food and other services at most times. Then, all changed =>

2-The rebels seem to have received ordered to stage an attack. The benign front meant that the army units stationed there are ill-equipped to engage in serious fighting. The ferocity of the rebel attack and success at penetrating army positions led to the inevitable next step =>

5-Also typically, the initial advances of the rebels tends to create an immediate euphoria where the fight starts to be referred by them as THE fight - “The mother of all battles”. We saw this in Daraa and Aleppo and Hama

3-The army leadership was to order an immediate change of the units at the front. Gone are the inexperienced guards and in comes the hardened battle-ready troops who have been fighting on other war fronts. Predictably & in mere 2 days, the tide starts to shift. Reasons? =>

4-Two things typically happen here: A-The new units bring with them both experience & firepower. B- More importantly, they come with no knowledge or regard for the previous relationships that had been built. They arrive with clear military orders to take the area back

6- Suddenly, what seemed like a quite front where negotiations and regular contact had become the norm, seems to light up and lead to the inevitable massive response by the army with scores of dead on both sides. The army has thus far prevailed in all similar battles

Here comes Kurdistan Lite


Lucifuge Rofocale
‏ @rofoca_lucifuge
29m29 minutes ago

#BREAKING - ANOTHER KOSOVO: A senior Western official told al-Sharq al-Awsat newspaper that the US is planning to unveil a new strategy for the SDF-held areas of Syria, which may include some form of diplomatic recognition.

Big_Gazza wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Like the September 2016 air raid where A-10's killed around 100 and wounded another 100 or so SAA members.

Assad better hope then Russia actually defends them this time if we do decide to bomb them again.

Riiiight... and given that IS don't have a fucking airforce, why would the DeZ defenders (or the Russians) need to deploy SAM systems?  Why should DeZ defenders have expected an air assault by US -led force??

Fuck, you come out with some right bullshit sometimes.

S-400';s wherein range the A-10's bombed those positions for over an hour giving the Russians more then enough time to sorties jets if they wished.

Calm yourself my statement was quite fair, I never said the Syrians failed to defend themselves in that situation yes they couldn't.

However Russia could have stopped it but they did not and that is fact

Russia could have stopped it by inititating direct conflict with US forces, and risk triggering conflict between nuclear-weapon nation states???    Are you nuts?  For the sake of all concerned, lets all hope that Russia isn't going to fire on US aircraft unless they stupidly attack Russian forces.  Lets all also hope that the US can restrain its primitive and violent impulses, but given the mood of the Idiot Nation in its currently polarised state, paralyzed and out of control due to political clan-warfare and Deep State power plays, that's very unlikely.  As a result, we are even more dependent than normal upon the cool-headedness of Putin and his generals to refuse the bait and not respond to idiot provocations.

IMHO the attack on DeZ was likely a deliberate attack by Neo-con influences in the Pentagram, designed to scupper the then-recently announced co-operation/co-ordination between US & Russian forces.  Apparently successful, the perpetrators have never been held accountable, cuz thats just not what we do....

Sortieing jets or letting the A-10's know they were targetted would have stopped the attack actually. Use your head would you.

Just because one side stops the other doesn't mean nuclear war.

You are just making excuses right now.

word is Tigers are in Adu duhur.

The SAA needs to clean up Idlib etc before targeting the Kurds for sedition and secession. The Americans will use this time to get ahead of the curve and establish "new facts" while the enemy is pre-occupied. The Russians could care less (figuratively) but obviously Assad and Iran do not - it will be them who really decide what the future of SDF held areas will look like and they'll have to strategize extremely well cause Russia will not back them up except token diplomacy. intelligence sharing + fodder equipment.

Russia has come to accept these kinds of deals with the U.S, as it's not their territory - thus shouldn't be relied on. Examples everywhere.

Syrian/Iranian leadership will have to weight the cost of going full takeover Vietnamese style. A lot of blood, a lot of effort, and costs. Operating without an "air force" and being vulnerable to american air power is going to be bloody. It will have to be a multifaceted offensive, not just on the SDF, but American forces all over the Middle East in a sensible fashion (targeted terrorism) that "attempts" to prevent full blown war.

The other option is simple: accept the partition. The Americans have made the cost clear. Others only need to weight whether they're willing to pay the cost. You never know, most of it could be bluff, but they've made sure, several times, to clear any illusions of bluff with the targeted airstrikes. Thus, again, to war or to capitulate.

Big_Gazza wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

Big_Gazza wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Like the September 2016 air raid where A-10's killed around 100 and wounded another 100 or so SAA members.

Assad better hope then Russia actually defends them this time if we do decide to bomb them again.

Riiiight... and given that IS don't have a fucking airforce, why would the DeZ defenders (or the Russians) need to deploy SAM systems?  Why should DeZ defenders have expected an air assault by US -led force??

Fuck, you come out with some right bullshit sometimes.

S-400';s wherein range the A-10's bombed those positions for over an hour giving the Russians more then enough time to sorties jets if they wished.

Calm yourself my statement was quite fair, I never said the Syrians failed to defend themselves in that situation yes they couldn't.

However Russia could have stopped it but they did not and that is fact

Russia could have stopped it by inititating direct conflict with US forces, and risk triggering conflict between nuclear-weapon nation states???    Are you nuts?  For the sake of all concerned, lets all hope that Russia isn't going to fire on US aircraft unless they stupidly attack Russian forces.  Lets all also hope that the US can restrain its primitive and violent impulses, but given the mood of the Idiot Nation in its currently polarised state, paralyzed and out of control due to political clan-warfare and Deep State power plays, that's very unlikely.  As a result, we are even more dependent than normal upon the cool-headedness of Putin and his generals to refuse the bait and not respond to idiot provocations.

IMHO the attack on DeZ was likely a deliberate attack by Neo-con influences in the Pentagram, designed to scupper the then-recently announced co-operation/co-ordination between US & Russian forces.  Apparently successful, the perpetrators have never been held accountable, cuz thats just not what we do....

Turkey shot Russian bomber... guess what... didnt start nuclear apocalypse. India and Pakistan were in open war just two decades ago... didnt start a nuclear war. Get real.

Now, regarding the A-10 bombardments... appearance of any fighters to challenge them such attack would cease. A-10s wouldnt stick there if they had Syrian MiG-23MLU on its tail or Russian Su-30. But there wasnt any asset in the air, nor there was any kind of significant air defence around. Very cool-headed from both Ru-MOD and Syrian General Staff They are not letting defences get in the way of enemy bombers to prevent escalations

It wouldnt start the third world war, but it would create a tit for tat situation which isn't needed.

Although, getting revenge against Turkey imo is still warranted, even if not directly.

Turkey is getting what it deserves without Russia doing a thing. They shot themselves in the foot. Why cause instability at their borders? Fools of the highest order - as big of a backfire as I've seen.

As for the U.S...there are ways to get back at them from Russia's side. Putin is in a unique position to destroy Trump due to the internal witch hunt surrounding Russia gate. Merely collaborating on the witch hunt, forging intelligence as to Trump being a Russian asset (who better than the FSB to forge such).... leading to Trump's impeachment is enough of a crises to paralyze the country. The electorate won't buy it, heck, even some higher up politicos won't cause they know the whole thing is a sham but they've created such an atmosphere that at the smallest piece of significant planted evidence, they'll be forced to act - and some will be extremely happy to apply the axe.

The question is whether Putin is willing to use that weapon and timing is key...since the more Trump gets in bed with the establishment, the faster the window closes to blow up Trump's presidency and cause chaos. It will obviously not be without blowback; since Russophobia will be dialed up to 500% and Pency boy is a full blown neocon but the populace will be extremely divided, and extremely discontent - furthering mistrust and paralysis which all help little by little towards collapse - since well, the U.S political system is beyond corrupt and saving. Not to mention the infighting it will cause....

The Bannon split and new book plays perfectly into this.

The obvious gambit here is the establishment flushing off the "evidence", or the operation being poorly prepared, achieving nothing but a dumb Trump full on rusophobia as well. Considering how he's surrounded by neocons and mossad assets....anything can be expected.

The Tax cuts have the elite happy so they're giving Trump a bone, for now - which is why, suddenly, they're backing him up.

General view of Syria, from a couple of weeks I ago I would think.

Interestingly, it doesn't show IS presence in the desert west of Mayadin & Al-Bukamal (as most maps still do) other than a small enclave SE of Al-Suknah. Makes sense as I can't imagine IS contesting an empty isolated patch of useless desert.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:Sortieing jets or letting the A-10's know they were targetted would have stopped the attack actually. Use your head would you.

Just because one side stops the other doesn't mean nuclear war.

You are just making excuses right now.

I didn't suggest "one side stopping the other" would lead to nuclear war.  Get serious...  Simply that conflict between nuclear weapon states is a bad idea and should be avoided wherever possible.  We don't need an itchy trigger finger to start us all on the slippery slope of ego-induced escalations.

Letting the A-10s know they were targetted would that has caused them to back down?  Given that the DeZ attack was a deliberate poke in the eye initiated by Pentagram factions unhappy with towing a co-operative line, I'm not at all confident about that.

ATLASCUB wrote:As for the U.S...there are ways to get back at them from Russia's side. Putin is in a unique position to destroy Trump due to the internal witch hunt surrounding Russia gate. Merely collaborating on the witch hunt, forging intelligence as to Trump being a Russian asset (who better than the FSB to forge such).... leading to Trump's impeachment is enough of a crises to paralyze the country. The electorate won't buy it, heck, even some higher up politicos won't cause they know the whole thing is a sham but they've created such an atmosphere that at the smallest piece of significant planted evidence, they'll be forced to act - and some will be extremely happy to apply the axe.

The question is whether Putin is willing to use that weapon and timing is key...since the more Trump gets in bed with the establishment, the faster the window closes to blow up Trump's presidency and cause chaos. It will obviously not be without blowback; since Russophobia will be dialed up to 500% and Pency boy is a full blown neocon but the populace will be extremely divided, and extremely discontent - furthering mistrust and paralysis which all help little by little towards collapse - since well, the U.S political system is beyond corrupt and saving. Not to mention the infighting it will cause....

Its not just the US that Russia needs to consider, but the Euro-peons and China. Russia wants to be seen as a reliable, honest and ethical geo-political operator, and pulling shenanigans of the kind you suggest will sully their international reputation and undo the good work they have done. Its better to leave the Muricans alone to rip themselves into shreds thru inter-clan tribal warfare and to continue to alienate themselves with the global community. While Muricans go down the s-bend and Trump continues in his misguided undermining of traditional US alliances, Russia should double down on adherence to international law, treaty obligations, good foreign relations, promotion of economic links, regional integration, anti-corruption drive, internal governance and the like. Eventually, even the most cuckolded pro-HATO Eurofag apparatchik will start to see sense (and more importantly, will be become sidelined in the Eurosphere), while the Eurasian integration project (the No1 geopolitical earthquake event of the first half of the 21st century) will solidify further as Russia proves to Chna that she is a reliable and steadfast partner who can be trusted.

Russia needs to be patient and give the Yankistanis whatever rope they need to hang themselves. In the process they'll make a few quid...

^^ Agree. Super high risk for Russia to enter a game of trying to out-lie and out-falsify Washington. Could backfire spectacularly. Anyhow, chances are quite good Trump won't finish out his term. He's proving disastrous on the health of the empire. I mean, he's like a wrecking ball. Due to this, they'll likely keep pushing until they can take him out on a process crime, like Nixon. So high risk for low reward that.

Big_Gazza wrote:Eventually, even the most cuckolded pro-HATO Eurofag apparatchik will start to see sense (and more importantly, will be become sidelined in the Eurosphere)...

Well, more like see centavos rather than "sense." Or Euros, Yuan, or whatever. The professed loyalty to their US/Western "values" will drift away along with the outgoing economic tide.

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Getting tight up there 

BKP wrote:^^ Agree. Super high risk for Russia to enter a game of trying to out-lie and out-falsify Washington. Could backfire spectacularly. Anyhow, chances are quite good Trump won't finish out his term. He's proving disastrous on the health of the empire. I mean, he's like a wrecking ball. Due to this, they'll likely keep pushing until they can take him out on a process crime, like Nixon. So high risk for low reward that.

Big_Gazza wrote:Eventually, even the most cuckolded pro-HATO Eurofag apparatchik will start to see sense (and more importantly, will be become sidelined in the Eurosphere)...

Well, more like see centavos rather than "sense." Or Euros, Yuan, or whatever. The professed loyalty to their US/Western "values" will drift away along with the outgoing economic tide.

Without wanting to take this O/T I just wanted to add a comment here, not start a discussion, that there is a countervailing view that Trump is doing pretty well, both in the eyes of his voting supporters, the financial community and the military especially as he had so little experience. I somehow doubt that Moscow thinks he will be gone anytime soon.

From the statements on Russia's limited long term future in Syria, Putin is clearly setting out Russia's stall in the World as a potential ally and friend that can be counted on in times of need but who will not claim squatters rights after the job in hand is done.

Jihadistan imploding...  

Turks aren't digging it:

Breaking: Turkish regime summons Iranian, Russian ambassadors after Syrian Army gains in Idlib
By Leith Fadel - 09/01/2018

https://mobile.almasdarnews.com/article/breaking-turkish-regime-summons-iranian-russian-ambassadors-syrian-army-gains-idlib/