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Syrian War: News #16
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Surely just a couple of photos would have been enough?The Ottoman wrote:Weather conditions are normal now, no more dust
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Odin of Ossetia wrote:Godric wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
A source who attended the fruitless negotiations between Damascus and PYD months ago told me that Russia suggested that YPG hand over all the areas around Afrin to SAA while keeping the city and district around it, under its control, PYD refused and Damascus\Russia were furious
Since October 2017, the Syrian Military intelligence and Russia told the PYD that the possibility of a Turkish attack is 100%, there is officers who didn't sleep for weeks trying to talk sense into PYD , they were usually met with laughs or lectures about Ocalan and Kubani
https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/955425132155109377
i have very little sympathy for Kurds they were equally guilty of the genocide of 2 million Armenians ... just like i have little sympathy for my country men for taking the Queens shilling whilst doing whitehall's dirty work of subjugating entire continents for empire
Russia and the SAA ... gave them a way out and they threw it in their faces
You Scots have plenty of blood on your hands from the North America, Australia, New Zealand, and elsewhere.
With regard to the Armenian lies you can read here:
http://www.tallarmeniantale.com
their is no denying we have blood on our hands ... also 5 Scots served as admirals for the Russian Empire and 15 Scots and ethnic Scots served as generals for the Russian Empire including Barclay De Tolly
you see when we lost our Independence because of a handful of greedy bassas sold out our country for English gold it was either fight for Britain or fight for another country ... and your link is a load of rubbish the Armenian genocide did happen you're as bad as the holocaust deniers
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Very good article from the Saker:
"THE SAKER: UNCLE SAM DUMPS THE KURDS (YET AGAIN)."
"The drama which is unfolding in northern Syria is truly an almost ideal case to fully assess how weak and totally dysfunctional the AngloZionist Empire has really become. Let’s begin with a quick reminder.
The US-Israeli goals in Syria were really very simple. As I have already mentioned in a past article, the initial AngloZionist plan was to overthrow Assad and replace him with the Takfiri crazies (Daesh, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, ISIS – call them whatever you want). Doing this would achieve the following goals:
Bring down a strong secular Arab state along with its political structure, armed forces and security services.
Create total chaos and horror in Syria justifying the creation of a “security zone” by Israel not only in the Golan, but further north.
Trigger a civil war in Lebanon by unleashing the Takfiri crazies against Hezbollah.
Let the Takfiris and Hezbollah bleed each other to death, then create a “security zone”, but this time in Lebanon.
Prevent the creation of a Shia axis Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon.
Breakup Syria along ethnic and religious lines.
Create a Kurdistan which could then be used against Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran.
Make it possible for Israel to become the uncontested power broker in the Middle-East and forces the KSA, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait and all others to have to go to Israel for any gas or oil pipeline project.
Gradually isolate, threaten, subvert and eventually attack Iran with a wide regional coalition of forces.
Eliminate all center of Shia power in the Middle-East.
With the joint Russian-Iranian military intervention, this plan completely collapsed. For a while, the USA tried to break up Syria under various scenarios, but the way the Russian Aerospace forces hammered all the “good terrorists” eventually convinced the AngloZionists that this would not work.
The single biggest problem for the Empire is that while it has plenty of firepower in the region (and worldwide), it cannot deploy any “boots on the ground”. Being the Empire’s boots on the ground was, in fact, the role the AngloZionists had assigned to the Takfiri crazies (aka Daesh/IS/ISIS/al-Qaeda/al-Nusra/etc/), but that plan failed. The only US allies left in the region are Israel and Saudi Arabia. The problem with them is that, just like the USA themselves, these countries do not have ground forces capable of actually deploying inside Syria and taking on not only the Syrian military, but the much more capable Iranian and Hezbollah forces. Murdering civilians is really the only thing the Israelis and Saudis are expert in, at least on the ground (in the skies the Israeli Air Force is a very good one). Enter the Kurds.
The AngloZionist wanted to use the Kurds just like NATO had used the KLA in Kosovo: as a ground force which could be supported by US/NATO and maybe even Israeli airpower. Unlike the Israelis and Saudis, the Kurds are a relatively competent ground force (albeit not one able to take on, say, Turkey or Iran).
The folks at the Pentagon had already tried something similar last year when they attempted to create a sovereign Kurdistan in Iraq by means of a referendum. The Iraqis, with some likely help from Iran, immediately put an end to this nonsense and the entire exercise was a pathetic “flop”.
Which immediately begs to obvious question: are the Americans even capable of learning from their mistakes? What in the world were they thinking when they announced the creation of 30’000 strong Syrian Border Security Force (BSF) (so called to give the illusion that protecting Syria’s border was the plan, not the partition Syria)? The real goal was, as always, to put pressure on Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Russia while grabbing a lot of oil. As always with Uncle Shmuel, the entire plan had no UNSC authorization was thus totally illegal under international law (as is the presence of the USA in the Syria’s airspace and territory, but nobody cares any more).
Did Trump and his generals really think that Turkey, Iran, Syria and Russia would accept a US protectorate in Syria masquerading as an “independent Kurdistan” and do nothing about it? Yet again, and I know this sound hard to believe, but I think that this is yet another strong indication that the Empire is run by stupid and ignorant people whose brain and education simply do not allow them to grasp even the basic dynamics in the region of four planet there are interfering with.
Whatever may be the case the Turks reacted exactly as everybody thought: the Turkish Chief of Staff jumped into an airplane, flew to Moscow, met with top Russian generals (including Minister of Defense Shoigu) and clearly got a “go ahead” from Moscow: not only were the Turkish airplanes flying over Syria’s Afrin province not challenged by Russian air defense systems (which have ample coverage in this region), but the Russians also helpfully withdrew their military personnel from the region lest any Russian get hurt. Sergei Lavrov deplored it all, as he had to, but it was clear to all that Turkey had the Russian backing for this operation. I would add that I am pretty sure that the Iranians were also consulted (maybe at the same meeting in Moscow?) to avoid any misunderstandings as there is little love lost between Ankara and Tehran.
What about the Kurds? Well, how do I say that nicely? Let’s just say that what they did was not very smart. That’s putting it very, very mildly. The Russians gave them a golden deal: accept large autonomy in Syria, come to the National Dialog Congress to take place in Sochi, we will make your case before the (always reluctant) Syrians, Iranians and Turks and we will even give you money to help you develop your oil production. But no, the Kurds chose to believe in the hot air coming from Washington and when the Turks attacked that is all the Kurds got from Washington: hot air.
The Saker: Uncle Sam Dumps The Kurds (Yet Again)In fact, it is pretty clear that the US Americans have, yet again, betrayed an ally: Tillerson has now “greenlighted” a 30km safe zone in Syria (as if anybody was asking for his opinion, nevermind permission!). Take a look at this simple map of the Afrin region and look what 50 miles (about 80km) look like. You can immediately see that this 30km “safe zone” means: the end of any Kurdish aspirations to created a little independent Kurdistan in northern Syria.
To say that all these developments make the Russians really happy is not an exaggeration. It is especially sweet for the Russians to see that they did not even have to do much, that this ugly mess of a disaster for the USA was entirely self-inflicted. What can be sweeter than that?
Let’ look at it all from the Russian point of view:
First, this situation further puts Turkey (a US ally and NATO member) on a collision course with the US/NATO/EU. And Turkey is not ‘just’ a NATO ally, like Denmark or Italy. Turkey is the key to the eastern Mediterranean and the entire Middle-East (well, one of them at least). Also, Turkey has a huge potential to be a painful thorn in the southern ‘belly’ of Russia so it is really crucial for Russia to keep Uncle Sam and the Israelis as far away from Turkey as possible. Having said that, nobody in Russia harbors *any *illusions about Turkey and/or Erdogan. Turkey will always be a problematic neighbor for Russia (the two countries already fought 12 wars!!!). But there is a big difference between “bad” and “worse”. Considering that in a not too distant past Turkey shot down a Russian aircraft over Syria, financed, trained and supported “good terrorists” in Syria, was deeply involved in the Tatar separatist movement in Crimea, and was the main rear base for the Wahabi terrorists in Chechia for well over a decade, “worse” in the case of Turkey can be much, much worse than “bad” is today.
Second, these developments have clearly brought Turkey into an even closer cooperative dynamic with Russia and Iran, something which Russia very much desires. Turkey by itself is much more of a potential problem than a Turkey which partners up with Russia and Iran (ideally with Syria too, but considering the animosity between the two countries and their leaders that is something for the distant future, at least for the time being). What is shaping up is an informal (but very real) Russian-Turkish-Iranian regional alliance against the Axis of Kindness: USA-Israel-KSA. If that is what happens then the latter does not stand a chance to prevail.
Third, even though the Kurds are outraged and are now whining about the Russian “betrayal” – they will come to realize that they did it to themselves and that their best chance for freedom and prosperity is to work with the Russians. That means that the Russians will be able to achieve with, and for, the Kurds what the USA could not. Yet another very nice side-benefit for Russia.
Fourth, Syria, Iran and Turkey now realize a simple thing: only Russia stands between the crazy US-Israeli plans for the region and them. Absent Russia, there is nothing stopping the AngloZionist from re-igniting the “good terrorists” and the Kurds and use them against every one of them.
Be it as it may, having the USA and Israel shoot themselves in the leg and watch them bleed is not enough. To really capitalize on this situation the Russians need to also achieve a number of goals:
First, they need to stop the Turks before this all turns into a major and protracted conflict. Since Tillerson “greenlighted” a 30km “safe zone”, this is probably what Erdogan told Trump over the phone and that, in turn, is probably what the Russians and the Turks agreed upon. So, hopefully, this should not be too hard to achieve.
Second, the Russians need to talk to the Kurds and offer them the same deal again: large autonomy inside Syria in exchange for peace and prosperity. The Kurds are not exactly the easiest people to talk to, but since there is really no other option, my guess is that as soon as they stop hallucinating about the US going to war with Turkey on their behalf they will have to sit down and negotiate the deal. Likewise, the Russians will have to sell the very same deal to Damascus which, frankly, is in no position to reject it.
Third, Russia has neither the desire nor the means to constantly deal with violent flare-ups in the Middle-East. If the Empire desperately needs wars to survive, Russia desperately needs peace. In practical terms this means that the Russians must work with the Iranians, the Turks, the Syrians to secure a regional security framework which would be guaranteed and, if needed, enforced by all parties. And yes, the next logical step will be to approach Israel and the KSA and give them security guarantees in exchange for their assurances to stop creating chaos and wars on behalf of the USA. I know, I will get a lot of flak for saying this, but there *are* people in Israel and, possibly, Saudi Arabia who also understand the difference between “bad” and “worse”. Heed my words: as soon as the Israelis and the Saudis realize that Uncle Sam can’t do much for them either, they will suddenly become much more open to meaningful negotiations. Still, whether these rational minds will be sufficient to deal with the rabid ideologues I frankly don’t know. But it is worth trying for sure.
Conclusion
The Trump Administration’s “strategy” (I am being very kind here) is to stir up as many conflicts in as many places of our planet as possible. The Empire thrives only on chaos and violence. The Russian response is the exact opposite: to try as best can be to stop wars, defuse conflicts and create, if not peace, at least a situation of non-violence. Simply put: peace anywhere is the biggest danger to the AngloZionist Empire whose entire structure is predicated on eternal wars. The total and abject failure of all US plans for Syria (depending on how you count we are at “plan C” or even “plan D”) is a strong indicator of how weak and totally dysfunctional the AngloZionist Empire has become. But ‘weak’ is a relative term while ‘dysfunctional’ does not imply ‘harmless’. The current lack of brains at the top, while very good in some ways, is also potentially very dangerous. I am in particular worried about what appears to be a total absence of real military men (officers in touch with reality) around the President. Remember how Admiral Fallon once referred to General Petraeus as “an ass-kissing little chickenshit“? This also fully applies to the entire gang of generals around Trump – all of them are the kind of men real officers like Fallon would, in this words, “hate”. As for State, I will just say this: I don’t expect much from a man who could not even handle Nikki Haley, nevermind Erdogan.
Remember how the USA ignited the Ukraine to punish the Russians for their thwarting of the planned US attack on Syria? Well, the very same Ukraine has recently passed a law abolishing the “anti-terrorist operation” in the Donbass and declaring the Donbass “occupied territory”. Under Ukie law, Russia is now officially an “aggressor state”. This means that the Ukronazis have now basically rejected the Minsk Agreements and are in a quasi-open state of war with Russia. The chances of a full-scale Ukronazi attack on the Donbass are now even higher then before, especially before or during the soccer World Cup in Moscow this summer (remember Saakashvili?). Having been ridiculed (again) with their Border Security Force in Syria, the US Americans will now seek a place to take revenge on the evil Russkies and this place will most likely be the Ukraine. And we can always count the Israelis to find a pretext to continue to murder Palestinians and bomb Syria. As for the Saudis, they appear to be temporarily busy fighting each other. So unless the Empire does something really crazy, the only place it can lash out with little to lose (for itself) is the eastern Ukraine. The Novorussians understand that. May God help them."
https://southfront.org/saker-uncle-sam-dumps-kurds-yet/
"THE SAKER: UNCLE SAM DUMPS THE KURDS (YET AGAIN)."
"The drama which is unfolding in northern Syria is truly an almost ideal case to fully assess how weak and totally dysfunctional the AngloZionist Empire has really become. Let’s begin with a quick reminder.
The US-Israeli goals in Syria were really very simple. As I have already mentioned in a past article, the initial AngloZionist plan was to overthrow Assad and replace him with the Takfiri crazies (Daesh, al-Qaeda, al-Nusra, ISIS – call them whatever you want). Doing this would achieve the following goals:
Bring down a strong secular Arab state along with its political structure, armed forces and security services.
Create total chaos and horror in Syria justifying the creation of a “security zone” by Israel not only in the Golan, but further north.
Trigger a civil war in Lebanon by unleashing the Takfiri crazies against Hezbollah.
Let the Takfiris and Hezbollah bleed each other to death, then create a “security zone”, but this time in Lebanon.
Prevent the creation of a Shia axis Iran-Iraq-Syria-Lebanon.
Breakup Syria along ethnic and religious lines.
Create a Kurdistan which could then be used against Turkey, Syria, Iraq and Iran.
Make it possible for Israel to become the uncontested power broker in the Middle-East and forces the KSA, Qatar, Oman, Kuwait and all others to have to go to Israel for any gas or oil pipeline project.
Gradually isolate, threaten, subvert and eventually attack Iran with a wide regional coalition of forces.
Eliminate all center of Shia power in the Middle-East.
With the joint Russian-Iranian military intervention, this plan completely collapsed. For a while, the USA tried to break up Syria under various scenarios, but the way the Russian Aerospace forces hammered all the “good terrorists” eventually convinced the AngloZionists that this would not work.
The single biggest problem for the Empire is that while it has plenty of firepower in the region (and worldwide), it cannot deploy any “boots on the ground”. Being the Empire’s boots on the ground was, in fact, the role the AngloZionists had assigned to the Takfiri crazies (aka Daesh/IS/ISIS/al-Qaeda/al-Nusra/etc/), but that plan failed. The only US allies left in the region are Israel and Saudi Arabia. The problem with them is that, just like the USA themselves, these countries do not have ground forces capable of actually deploying inside Syria and taking on not only the Syrian military, but the much more capable Iranian and Hezbollah forces. Murdering civilians is really the only thing the Israelis and Saudis are expert in, at least on the ground (in the skies the Israeli Air Force is a very good one). Enter the Kurds.
The AngloZionist wanted to use the Kurds just like NATO had used the KLA in Kosovo: as a ground force which could be supported by US/NATO and maybe even Israeli airpower. Unlike the Israelis and Saudis, the Kurds are a relatively competent ground force (albeit not one able to take on, say, Turkey or Iran).
The folks at the Pentagon had already tried something similar last year when they attempted to create a sovereign Kurdistan in Iraq by means of a referendum. The Iraqis, with some likely help from Iran, immediately put an end to this nonsense and the entire exercise was a pathetic “flop”.
Which immediately begs to obvious question: are the Americans even capable of learning from their mistakes? What in the world were they thinking when they announced the creation of 30’000 strong Syrian Border Security Force (BSF) (so called to give the illusion that protecting Syria’s border was the plan, not the partition Syria)? The real goal was, as always, to put pressure on Turkey, Iran, Iraq, Syria and Russia while grabbing a lot of oil. As always with Uncle Shmuel, the entire plan had no UNSC authorization was thus totally illegal under international law (as is the presence of the USA in the Syria’s airspace and territory, but nobody cares any more).
Did Trump and his generals really think that Turkey, Iran, Syria and Russia would accept a US protectorate in Syria masquerading as an “independent Kurdistan” and do nothing about it? Yet again, and I know this sound hard to believe, but I think that this is yet another strong indication that the Empire is run by stupid and ignorant people whose brain and education simply do not allow them to grasp even the basic dynamics in the region of four planet there are interfering with.
Whatever may be the case the Turks reacted exactly as everybody thought: the Turkish Chief of Staff jumped into an airplane, flew to Moscow, met with top Russian generals (including Minister of Defense Shoigu) and clearly got a “go ahead” from Moscow: not only were the Turkish airplanes flying over Syria’s Afrin province not challenged by Russian air defense systems (which have ample coverage in this region), but the Russians also helpfully withdrew their military personnel from the region lest any Russian get hurt. Sergei Lavrov deplored it all, as he had to, but it was clear to all that Turkey had the Russian backing for this operation. I would add that I am pretty sure that the Iranians were also consulted (maybe at the same meeting in Moscow?) to avoid any misunderstandings as there is little love lost between Ankara and Tehran.
What about the Kurds? Well, how do I say that nicely? Let’s just say that what they did was not very smart. That’s putting it very, very mildly. The Russians gave them a golden deal: accept large autonomy in Syria, come to the National Dialog Congress to take place in Sochi, we will make your case before the (always reluctant) Syrians, Iranians and Turks and we will even give you money to help you develop your oil production. But no, the Kurds chose to believe in the hot air coming from Washington and when the Turks attacked that is all the Kurds got from Washington: hot air.
The Saker: Uncle Sam Dumps The Kurds (Yet Again)In fact, it is pretty clear that the US Americans have, yet again, betrayed an ally: Tillerson has now “greenlighted” a 30km safe zone in Syria (as if anybody was asking for his opinion, nevermind permission!). Take a look at this simple map of the Afrin region and look what 50 miles (about 80km) look like. You can immediately see that this 30km “safe zone” means: the end of any Kurdish aspirations to created a little independent Kurdistan in northern Syria.
To say that all these developments make the Russians really happy is not an exaggeration. It is especially sweet for the Russians to see that they did not even have to do much, that this ugly mess of a disaster for the USA was entirely self-inflicted. What can be sweeter than that?
Let’ look at it all from the Russian point of view:
First, this situation further puts Turkey (a US ally and NATO member) on a collision course with the US/NATO/EU. And Turkey is not ‘just’ a NATO ally, like Denmark or Italy. Turkey is the key to the eastern Mediterranean and the entire Middle-East (well, one of them at least). Also, Turkey has a huge potential to be a painful thorn in the southern ‘belly’ of Russia so it is really crucial for Russia to keep Uncle Sam and the Israelis as far away from Turkey as possible. Having said that, nobody in Russia harbors *any *illusions about Turkey and/or Erdogan. Turkey will always be a problematic neighbor for Russia (the two countries already fought 12 wars!!!). But there is a big difference between “bad” and “worse”. Considering that in a not too distant past Turkey shot down a Russian aircraft over Syria, financed, trained and supported “good terrorists” in Syria, was deeply involved in the Tatar separatist movement in Crimea, and was the main rear base for the Wahabi terrorists in Chechia for well over a decade, “worse” in the case of Turkey can be much, much worse than “bad” is today.
Second, these developments have clearly brought Turkey into an even closer cooperative dynamic with Russia and Iran, something which Russia very much desires. Turkey by itself is much more of a potential problem than a Turkey which partners up with Russia and Iran (ideally with Syria too, but considering the animosity between the two countries and their leaders that is something for the distant future, at least for the time being). What is shaping up is an informal (but very real) Russian-Turkish-Iranian regional alliance against the Axis of Kindness: USA-Israel-KSA. If that is what happens then the latter does not stand a chance to prevail.
Third, even though the Kurds are outraged and are now whining about the Russian “betrayal” – they will come to realize that they did it to themselves and that their best chance for freedom and prosperity is to work with the Russians. That means that the Russians will be able to achieve with, and for, the Kurds what the USA could not. Yet another very nice side-benefit for Russia.
Fourth, Syria, Iran and Turkey now realize a simple thing: only Russia stands between the crazy US-Israeli plans for the region and them. Absent Russia, there is nothing stopping the AngloZionist from re-igniting the “good terrorists” and the Kurds and use them against every one of them.
Be it as it may, having the USA and Israel shoot themselves in the leg and watch them bleed is not enough. To really capitalize on this situation the Russians need to also achieve a number of goals:
First, they need to stop the Turks before this all turns into a major and protracted conflict. Since Tillerson “greenlighted” a 30km “safe zone”, this is probably what Erdogan told Trump over the phone and that, in turn, is probably what the Russians and the Turks agreed upon. So, hopefully, this should not be too hard to achieve.
Second, the Russians need to talk to the Kurds and offer them the same deal again: large autonomy inside Syria in exchange for peace and prosperity. The Kurds are not exactly the easiest people to talk to, but since there is really no other option, my guess is that as soon as they stop hallucinating about the US going to war with Turkey on their behalf they will have to sit down and negotiate the deal. Likewise, the Russians will have to sell the very same deal to Damascus which, frankly, is in no position to reject it.
Third, Russia has neither the desire nor the means to constantly deal with violent flare-ups in the Middle-East. If the Empire desperately needs wars to survive, Russia desperately needs peace. In practical terms this means that the Russians must work with the Iranians, the Turks, the Syrians to secure a regional security framework which would be guaranteed and, if needed, enforced by all parties. And yes, the next logical step will be to approach Israel and the KSA and give them security guarantees in exchange for their assurances to stop creating chaos and wars on behalf of the USA. I know, I will get a lot of flak for saying this, but there *are* people in Israel and, possibly, Saudi Arabia who also understand the difference between “bad” and “worse”. Heed my words: as soon as the Israelis and the Saudis realize that Uncle Sam can’t do much for them either, they will suddenly become much more open to meaningful negotiations. Still, whether these rational minds will be sufficient to deal with the rabid ideologues I frankly don’t know. But it is worth trying for sure.
Conclusion
The Trump Administration’s “strategy” (I am being very kind here) is to stir up as many conflicts in as many places of our planet as possible. The Empire thrives only on chaos and violence. The Russian response is the exact opposite: to try as best can be to stop wars, defuse conflicts and create, if not peace, at least a situation of non-violence. Simply put: peace anywhere is the biggest danger to the AngloZionist Empire whose entire structure is predicated on eternal wars. The total and abject failure of all US plans for Syria (depending on how you count we are at “plan C” or even “plan D”) is a strong indicator of how weak and totally dysfunctional the AngloZionist Empire has become. But ‘weak’ is a relative term while ‘dysfunctional’ does not imply ‘harmless’. The current lack of brains at the top, while very good in some ways, is also potentially very dangerous. I am in particular worried about what appears to be a total absence of real military men (officers in touch with reality) around the President. Remember how Admiral Fallon once referred to General Petraeus as “an ass-kissing little chickenshit“? This also fully applies to the entire gang of generals around Trump – all of them are the kind of men real officers like Fallon would, in this words, “hate”. As for State, I will just say this: I don’t expect much from a man who could not even handle Nikki Haley, nevermind Erdogan.
Remember how the USA ignited the Ukraine to punish the Russians for their thwarting of the planned US attack on Syria? Well, the very same Ukraine has recently passed a law abolishing the “anti-terrorist operation” in the Donbass and declaring the Donbass “occupied territory”. Under Ukie law, Russia is now officially an “aggressor state”. This means that the Ukronazis have now basically rejected the Minsk Agreements and are in a quasi-open state of war with Russia. The chances of a full-scale Ukronazi attack on the Donbass are now even higher then before, especially before or during the soccer World Cup in Moscow this summer (remember Saakashvili?). Having been ridiculed (again) with their Border Security Force in Syria, the US Americans will now seek a place to take revenge on the evil Russkies and this place will most likely be the Ukraine. And we can always count the Israelis to find a pretext to continue to murder Palestinians and bomb Syria. As for the Saudis, they appear to be temporarily busy fighting each other. So unless the Empire does something really crazy, the only place it can lash out with little to lose (for itself) is the eastern Ukraine. The Novorussians understand that. May God help them."
https://southfront.org/saker-uncle-sam-dumps-kurds-yet/
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JohninMK wrote:Surely just a couple of photos would have been enough?The Ottoman wrote:Weather conditions are normal now, no more dust
MUD
From Kurdish side
Video also gives a sense of the prevailing foggy conditions, mud, ground cover etc
https://twitter.com/4rj1n/status/956956159285563394
Most probable situation. Lots of map give to much territory to Turks/Kurds.
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They call it mud.
Here it's called Tuesday...
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Cyberspec wrote:eehnie wrote:The page begins with 7/8 (except godric) comments of the worst pro-Turkish bullshit and you are disturbed by a single comment of Vann?
I'm not " disturbed" by anyone...just hoping people tone down the name calling
Russia try, we all know it, and what does Turkey? to invade Syria against the opinion of Syria, Russia and Iran
You realise the Kurds are a proxy of Israel ...how does that fact factor into your calculations
Have you some evidence of israeli nuclear weapons in Afrin looking at Russia?
Because the Turks have US nuclear weapons in Turkey looking at Russia.
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Nothing change, same goes for Afrin and Manbij as for Deir Ez Zor oilfields. Kurds will hang everything to SAA sooner or later. They just need a little push to comprehend reality.
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calm wrote:Nothing change, same goes for Afrin and Manbij as for Deir Ez Zor oilfields. Kurds will hang everything to SAA sooner or later. They just need a little push to comprehend reality.
Pretty much this
Unless Kurds take control of Bosporus strait they will always come second to Turks for both USA and Russia
Not many odds of that scenario...
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eehnie wrote:The Ottoman wrote:Only 3 countries are supporting Operation Olive Branch (Russia, Pakistan, Azerbaijan). The rest of the Western World are against it and will do anything to sabotate it.
This is absolutely false.
This is very classic of the bullshit Turks spreads all the time..
They really think we have no have no other information than their bullshit and Turkey bullshit media that
ERdogan the dictator controls. Putin demanded Erdogan to stop this illegal operation and that was
reported by RT . There is no "support" of IRAN or Russia of this stealing land operation. ERdogan
is seeking to remove thousands of Kurdish families who peacefully lived in AFrin for decades ,and replace
them with Headshoppers and terrorist Islamic extremist as he have done in the zone he invaded in IDLIB.
You realise the Kurds are a proxy of Israel ...how does that fact factor into your calculations Question
And the Fake free Syrian Army that turkey terrorist Government support is a proxy of Alqaeda.. So what?
Will you welcome China to invade your country and kill your citizens ,just because Israel also invaded too?
The Syrian government Rejects the invasion of any foreign nation on its territory and only Russia is holding
them to start another war.. because the time is not there yet.. Syria military needs to liberate still a lot of territory
before it can officially start a fight with Turkey or Israel.. or even fight the kurds to kick Americans from their land.
But they will definitively prefer Kurds ,that live in Syria and that they can talk.. over any illegal invasion of a
foreign army in their nation.. Regardless of what "humanitarian noble cause" of "security" they claim to be doing.
And Russia did not gave any "green light" to Turkey to invade Syria.. neither gave a green light to AMericans or ISrael to invade its airspace.. neither a green light to Israeli airforce to bomb Syrian army position.. Don't confuse ...
Weakness combined with Strategy , with support.. Russia have learned through history ,that there is a time and a place to fight.. and that the correct time and place can make the difference between victory or defeat.
Russia knows it can remove by force Turkey and Americans and stop Israel attacks on Syria if it really wanted it .
It will take the gloves off and use almost everything they have.. But that will mean revealing too early to its NATO enemies what military capabilities Russia have and what it can do ,that is teaching its enemies too much.
also Risk in a minor conflict like Syria and to enter in a direct war with US/Turkey
and Israel.. something like that will be very expensive on Russia economy and will require a very large military deployment in Syria and a large navy and airforce too. So what Putin is doing is freezing and slowing the conflict.. Giving a vietnam to Turkey and Americans... So eventually with the help of international pressure .public opinion and diplomacy , combined with military progress. The countries that illegally invaded Syria will be forced to leave at some point. Because it will be expensive for them to continue any military operations for too long.
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Hahaha.
Eehnie en Vannie. The Tale of two desperate Kurds who are forcing the public opinion against Turkey.
Eehnie en Vannie. The Tale of two desperate Kurds who are forcing the public opinion against Turkey.
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Godric wrote:Odin of Ossetia wrote:Godric wrote:PapaDragon wrote:
A source who attended the fruitless negotiations between Damascus and PYD months ago told me that Russia suggested that YPG hand over all the areas around Afrin to SAA while keeping the city and district around it, under its control, PYD refused and Damascus\Russia were furious
Since October 2017, the Syrian Military intelligence and Russia told the PYD that the possibility of a Turkish attack is 100%, there is officers who didn't sleep for weeks trying to talk sense into PYD , they were usually met with laughs or lectures about Ocalan and Kubani
https://twitter.com/WithinSyriaBlog/status/955425132155109377
i have very little sympathy for Kurds they were equally guilty of the genocide of 2 million Armenians ... just like i have little sympathy for my country men for taking the Queens shilling whilst doing whitehall's dirty work of subjugating entire continents for empire
Russia and the SAA ... gave them a way out and they threw it in their faces
You Scots have plenty of blood on your hands from the North America, Australia, New Zealand, and elsewhere.
With regard to the Armenian lies you can read here:
http://www.tallarmeniantale.com
their is no denying we have blood on our hands ... also 5 Scots served as admirals for the Russian Empire and 15 Scots and ethnic Scots served as generals for the Russian Empire including Barclay De Tolly
you see when we lost our Independence because of a handful of greedy bassas sold out our country for English gold it was either fight for Britain or fight for another country ... and your link is a load of rubbish the Armenian genocide did happen you're as bad as the holocaust deniers
They served because they were a bunch of mercenaries.
There were people of various nationalities "serving" the Russian Empire, but mostly serving themselves, especially the Germans.
There were even some ethnic Poles who loyally served the Russian Empire, and there was even at least one Turk who became a high-ranking officer or government official during the late 18th century. There was even at least one American admiral.
And that "Spaniard" who Ispan has for his avatar, he was actually Italian-born of Catalan-Irish parentage, so he was not really Spanish.
British Empire had lots of genocidal wars, and it was extensively involved in slavery. Scots were an integral part of it, albeit I essentially agree that the U.K. is for all practical purposes a Greater England under another name.
There were many ethnic Armenians who were very high-ranking government officials in the Ottoman Empire, have you ever heard of any Australian Abos, Maoris, Native Americans, and Blacks being prime ministers of the British Empire?
Yes, that is how different these two empire were. So who is better than whom?
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eehnie- Posts : 2425
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calm wrote:Nothing change, same goes for Afrin and Manbij as for Deir Ez Zor oilfields. Kurds will hang everything to SAA sooner or later. They just need a little push to comprehend reality.
The Kurds have at this point their own place.
The Kurds have 0 interest in the territory of others. The Kurds have 0 interest in the oil. But they will defend extremely hard their own place in the world.
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eehnie wrote:calm wrote:Nothing change, same goes for Afrin and Manbij as for Deir Ez Zor oilfields. Kurds will hang everything to SAA sooner or later. They just need a little push to comprehend reality.
The Kurds have at this point their own place.
The Kurds have 0 interest in the territory of others. The Kurds have 0 interest in the oil. But they will defend extremely hard their own place in the world.
If I didnt know PKK rats, like many Europeans, I would believe this...
LOL
They are constantly bombarding civilian settlements across the border, yet did not dare to attack to a military unit. This is how they fight "extremely".
Still,there is no answer for ENKS versus YPG.
PKK agents are no different than PKK militants on the ground. Avoiding brave fight, creating illusions....
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A Russian view of the Turkish Army performance so far probably a fair bit OTT but note last sentence!
MOSCOW, Russia - Vice President of the CIS Institute and military expert Vladimir Yevseyev described Turkey's "Olive Branch" operation against the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) in Syria's northwest canton of Afrin as the worst example of a military operation when considering that the Turkish Armed Forces conducted a roundtable on the Afghan operation.
Yevseyev pointed out that the 'Operation is not prepared well', Yevseyev argued that Turkish troops do not have enough soldiers to attack the region and that the Free Syrian Army (FSA) forces that they are allied to are not in a position to fight.
'TURKEY SHOULD HAVE TWO SOLID SOLDIER'
Yevseyev said that the number of YPG members in the region is between 6,000 and 15,000 according to various evaluations and that this number can be increased by up to 30 thousand if mobilized. At least 2.5 times of this number is required for the Turkish-led forces to move to Afrin but that such a union was not established.
Yevseyev argued that Turkish troops use land routes to advance and that they are not "wise" in mountainous areas in the Afrin region. "A military unit on the road can be easily stopped by detonating the vehicles on the road and by shooting vehicles in the front and back," he said.
'AIRMAN'S SUPPORTED NOT TO SUPPORT'
Referring to the lack of support for the air force, the Russian military expert said, "In fact, the Turkish army is advancing without air support, and this is one of the reasons why it is stuck there." Yevseyev also said that it was "funny" for the Turkish Air Force to reduce the possibility of bombarding targets using very high free-fall bombs.
Yevseyev continued by saying that, "The Turkish army, who fought less than a week, squeezed there, because there is no Turkish army actually there, artillery support, tanks and troops support.
However, Yevseyev did not consider the poor weather conditions that has contributed to the poor performance of Turkish-led forces.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2018/01/russian-military-expert-claims-that.html
MOSCOW, Russia - Vice President of the CIS Institute and military expert Vladimir Yevseyev described Turkey's "Olive Branch" operation against the Kurdish People's Protection Units (YPG) in Syria's northwest canton of Afrin as the worst example of a military operation when considering that the Turkish Armed Forces conducted a roundtable on the Afghan operation.
Yevseyev pointed out that the 'Operation is not prepared well', Yevseyev argued that Turkish troops do not have enough soldiers to attack the region and that the Free Syrian Army (FSA) forces that they are allied to are not in a position to fight.
'TURKEY SHOULD HAVE TWO SOLID SOLDIER'
Yevseyev said that the number of YPG members in the region is between 6,000 and 15,000 according to various evaluations and that this number can be increased by up to 30 thousand if mobilized. At least 2.5 times of this number is required for the Turkish-led forces to move to Afrin but that such a union was not established.
Yevseyev argued that Turkish troops use land routes to advance and that they are not "wise" in mountainous areas in the Afrin region. "A military unit on the road can be easily stopped by detonating the vehicles on the road and by shooting vehicles in the front and back," he said.
'AIRMAN'S SUPPORTED NOT TO SUPPORT'
Referring to the lack of support for the air force, the Russian military expert said, "In fact, the Turkish army is advancing without air support, and this is one of the reasons why it is stuck there." Yevseyev also said that it was "funny" for the Turkish Air Force to reduce the possibility of bombarding targets using very high free-fall bombs.
Yevseyev continued by saying that, "The Turkish army, who fought less than a week, squeezed there, because there is no Turkish army actually there, artillery support, tanks and troops support.
However, Yevseyev did not consider the poor weather conditions that has contributed to the poor performance of Turkish-led forces.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2018/01/russian-military-expert-claims-that.html
medo- Posts : 4342
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Western made PGMs are expensive and there is a good question of how many PGMs have TuAF in their stocks. With low quantity of PGMs, TuAF will not make high intensity strikes for longer time, because they will quickly run out of them. Similar problem have NATO in time of air campaign over Serbia in 1999, when their PGM stocks were running out and with that were forced to find a solution to end the war.
On the other hand I don't understand, why Turks could not made precission strikes with free fall bombs from high altitudes. They have modern F-16C/D fighters with multimode radars, targeting pods, data links, GPS navigation, etc. Are they less capable for this job than Sukhois? Does US jam GPS signal for TuAF, that their jets are not precise enough with free-fall bombs? Theoretically F-16C/D must be better in this job than Su-24M with SVP-24.
On the other hand I don't understand, why Turks could not made precission strikes with free fall bombs from high altitudes. They have modern F-16C/D fighters with multimode radars, targeting pods, data links, GPS navigation, etc. Are they less capable for this job than Sukhois? Does US jam GPS signal for TuAF, that their jets are not precise enough with free-fall bombs? Theoretically F-16C/D must be better in this job than Su-24M with SVP-24.
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Turkey says U.S. needs to withdraw from Syria's Manbij region immediately
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa-manbi/turkey-says-u-s-needs-to-withdraw-from-syrias-manbij-region-immediately-idUSKBN1FG0FY?il%3D0
https://www.reuters.com/article/us-mideast-crisis-syria-turkey-usa-manbi/turkey-says-u-s-needs-to-withdraw-from-syrias-manbij-region-immediately-idUSKBN1FG0FY?il%3D0
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medo wrote:Western made PGMs are expensive and there is a good question of how many PGMs have TuAF in their stocks. With low quantity of PGMs, TuAF will not make high intensity strikes for longer time, because they will quickly run out of them. Similar problem have NATO in time of air campaign over Serbia in 1999, when their PGM stocks were running out and with that were forced to find a solution to end the war.
On the other hand I don't understand, why Turks could not made precission strikes with free fall bombs from high altitudes. They have modern F-16C/D fighters with multimode radars, targeting pods, data links, GPS navigation, etc. Are they less capable for this job than Sukhois? Does US jam GPS signal for TuAF, that their jets are not precise enough with free-fall bombs? Theoretically F-16C/D must be better in this job than Su-24M with SVP-24.
Problem is that F-16s (or any other plane outside VKS) do not have system comparable to SVP-24 which is purpose bult for targeting with free-fall bombs.
On F-16 use of free-fall bombs is just legacy function and nowhere near as accurate as SVP-24 which measures much more parameters in order to come up with targeting data than system on F-16 does.
And I doubt that Turkey has that many free-fall bombs in inventory to begin with. For past several decades smart bombs were all the rage.
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calm wrote:JohninMK wrote:Surely just a couple of photos would have been enough?The Ottoman wrote:Weather conditions are normal now, no more dust
MUD
That is not much of a mud tbh
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Free Syrian Army fighting the Kurds: "We are sick, tired and not being given food"
http://www.fort-russ.com/2018/01/free-syrian-army-fighting-kurds-we-are.html
Turks, feed your dogs.
http://www.fort-russ.com/2018/01/free-syrian-army-fighting-kurds-we-are.html
Turks, feed your dogs.
medo- Posts : 4342
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PapaDragon wrote:medo wrote:Western made PGMs are expensive and there is a good question of how many PGMs have TuAF in their stocks. With low quantity of PGMs, TuAF will not make high intensity strikes for longer time, because they will quickly run out of them. Similar problem have NATO in time of air campaign over Serbia in 1999, when their PGM stocks were running out and with that were forced to find a solution to end the war.
On the other hand I don't understand, why Turks could not made precission strikes with free fall bombs from high altitudes. They have modern F-16C/D fighters with multimode radars, targeting pods, data links, GPS navigation, etc. Are they less capable for this job than Sukhois? Does US jam GPS signal for TuAF, that their jets are not precise enough with free-fall bombs? Theoretically F-16C/D must be better in this job than Su-24M with SVP-24.
Problem is that F-16s (or any other plane outside VKS) do not have system comparable to SVP-24 which is purpose bult for targeting with free-fall bombs.
On F-16 use of free-fall bombs is just legacy function and nowhere near as accurate as SVP-24 which measures much more parameters in order to come up with targeting data than system on F-16 does.
And I doubt that Turkey has that many free-fall bombs in inventory to begin with. For past several decades smart bombs were all the rage.
Su-30SM, Su-34, Su-35 and Su-25SM also don't have SVP-24, but are same precise with unguided bombs like Su-24M with SVP-24. Modern fire control computers do that job as well. Turkey have latest variants of F-16C/D Block 50/52 and they are also using targeting pods with them. Theoreticaly they should be even more precise with free fall bombs than Sukhois, because US computers should be more capable and because of targeting pods, which give even more precise target data to fire control computer. They as well have GPS and data links to receive target info. Problem could be in bomb stocks, if they don't have big stocks of unguided bombs, but only a smaller stocks of expensive PGMs. Going against US will mean, that Turkey will not be able to buy new stocks from US and US could, block GPS signals for TuAF, what will reduce precision with unguided bombs. There is also a possibility, that US electronics are not that supperior agains russian ones as it was claimed to be for a long time after Gulf war in Iraq.
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Little mud and western equipment went nowhere. This is really patetic. It looks like western armored vehicles could drive only on good roads. And they dream to conquer Russia. 
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medo wrote:Little mud and western equipment went nowhere. This is really patetic. It looks like western armored vehicles could drive only on good roads. And they dream to conquer Russia.
Don't take the Turks as a good example of a fighting force. Especially after Erdo's purges, their Army is in a dire situation.
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Just a light daily grind for boyz in VKS...
Several high ranking HTS commanders + preacher were killed in a Russian airstrike on an area near Abo Dhuhr town
https://mobile.twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/957293160098492416
Just a light daily grind for boyz in VKS...
Several high ranking HTS commanders + preacher were killed in a Russian airstrike on an area near Abo Dhuhr town
https://mobile.twitter.com/sayed_ridha/status/957293160098492416
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There is an ap out there that monitors in particular activity users like runners and cyclists. It is from https://www.strava.com/
Their last world map of their users and where they go was from a few years ago. They have just updated it with new technology https://medium.com/strava-engineering/the-global-heatmap-now-6x-hotter-23fc01d301de
and the results are amazing.
Want to check out US military running tracks to show where they are located? Try this link which will take you to Syria, zoom into al-Tanf and bingo! https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#7.00/37.84392/34.47719/hot/run then check out their locations all over the country.
You can zoom it out, move it to where you live and zoom in to an amazing resolution.
Adam Rawnsley
Verified account @arawnsley
1h1 hour ago
Interesting pattern of activity in this little patch of ground seemingly in the middle of nowhere, north of Raqqa and south of Ain Issa
Many more examples at link.
https://twitter.com/arawnsley/status/957382212739059713
Their last world map of their users and where they go was from a few years ago. They have just updated it with new technology https://medium.com/strava-engineering/the-global-heatmap-now-6x-hotter-23fc01d301de
and the results are amazing.
Want to check out US military running tracks to show where they are located? Try this link which will take you to Syria, zoom into al-Tanf and bingo! https://labs.strava.com/heatmap/#7.00/37.84392/34.47719/hot/run then check out their locations all over the country.
You can zoom it out, move it to where you live and zoom in to an amazing resolution.
Adam Rawnsley
Verified account @arawnsley
1h1 hour ago
Interesting pattern of activity in this little patch of ground seemingly in the middle of nowhere, north of Raqqa and south of Ain Issa
Many more examples at link.
https://twitter.com/arawnsley/status/957382212739059713
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