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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

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    Post  miketheterrible Fri Dec 21, 2018 6:44 am

    Nibiru wrote:
    Russia needs to do 2 things to survive this new chapter of Anglo aggression.
    1. Erode Anglo global economic power
    2. Claim back Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan territories, then later on work to reclaim the rest of the Soviet territories.

    A weakened Anglo economy will make them think more than twice to commit to any form of hostilities against Russia, while reclaiming former Soviet territories will give it more resource ammunition to deter the Anglo scums.

    Old Russian proverb: "Russia's only ally is it's army and Navy"

    Soviet Union proved majority of the former Soviet states were black holes.

    Kazakhstan is digressing back to middle ages (recently a MP stated washing hands and regular bathing is bad).  I think Islam has a lot to do with it and Turkeys influence.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Dec 21, 2018 10:34 am

    I think Putin understands fine and that the result of this short term victory for the west will be an unfriendly resource rich Russia that will turn east to Asia and south to Africa and central and south America instead of to the west.

    Oh, they will sell you gas, and they will trade when the west allows it, but I really don't see them wanting to become a part of the west, culturally, economically, politically...

    The dickheads in charge have blown it... most of the problems for the west involve many different countries with good relations with Russia... getting Russia on board could have been as simple as let her grow and develop without interference... but that ship has sailed.

    What a lost opportunity.
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    Post  Nibiru Fri Dec 21, 2018 3:50 pm


    Soviet Union proved majority of the former Soviet states were black holes.

    True, but there are ways to make these territories self sustaining and eventually be productive enough to contribute to a new expanded Russian federation, it can also be argued that there are regions in Russia right now that can be considered as black holes in terms of state budget, is it reasonable to suggest that these territories be kicked out of the Russian federation as well? definitely not, Russia needs more territories, people can be replaced, reproduced overtime, but not territories.


    Kazakhstan is digressing back to middle ages (recently a MP stated washing hands and regular bathing is bad).  I think Islam has a lot to do with it and Turkeys influence.

    I remember back in the 90s when researching about the Soviet Union, Kazakstan after becoming independent in the wake of the Soviet dissolution was 50% Christian and 50% islam, then suddenly decades after it is now about 70% Islam and 24% Christianity, so there is obviously an ongoing campaign to Islamize central Asia with the aim of diluting Russian influence in the region as well as making the whole region vulnerable to Islamist extremism and terrorism, turning Russia's frontier regions unstable for many years to come. I understand that Russia is already economically strained at the moment, but they need to consider spreading their influence back in central Asia by supporting the growth of Russian Orthodox Christianity in the countries over there so in about half a century from now when Russia is powerful enough they will have enough influence in the region to support efforts to reunite with the Russian federation.
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    Post  Walther von Oldenburg Fri Dec 21, 2018 5:18 pm

    USSR simply split along the borders of ethnic republics. Had USSR collapsed in a different manner, it should have been able to keep Belarus, Ukraine sans Western Ukraine, Transnistria, small parts of the Baltics and northern Kazakhstan as a part of a reformed reduced USSR. The rest of Central Asia was (together with Western Ukraine) a black hole that consumed much more resourced than it produced. IIRC Moscow was quite happy to get rid of that balast.

    In Kazakhstan Muslims simply breed faster than Christians as everywhere else.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Dec 22, 2018 12:02 am

    miketheterrible wrote:
    Nibiru wrote:
    Russia needs to do 2 things to survive this new chapter of Anglo aggression.
    1. Erode Anglo global economic power
    2. Claim back Ukraine, Belarus and Kazakhstan territories, then later on work to reclaim the rest of the Soviet territories.

    A weakened Anglo economy will make them think more than twice to commit to any form of hostilities against Russia, while reclaiming former Soviet territories will give it more resource ammunition to deter the Anglo scums.

    Old Russian proverb: "Russia's only ally is it's army and Navy"

    Soviet Union proved majority of the former Soviet states were black holes.

    Kazakhstan is digressing back to middle ages (recently a MP stated washing hands and regular bathing is bad).  I think Islam has a lot to do with it and Turkeys influence.

    What a grotesque exaggeration, need I remind you the Eurasian Union was Nursultan Nazarbayev's idea, and he was the one promoting "Eurasian Consensus" well before VVP, the Turks have far less influence in Kazakhstan than you think, and Nazarbayev is firmly in the Pro-Russian camp.
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Dec 22, 2018 1:50 am

    hence why Russians are treated poorly in Kazakhstan and are leaving back to Russia? Or the fact that they are moving to a Latin alphabet?

    Gross generalization or not, things dont look good for Kazakhstan.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:00 am

    miketheterrible wrote:hence why Russians are treated poorly in Kazakhstan and are leaving back to Russia? Or the fact that they are moving to a Latin alphabet?

    Gross generalization or not, things dont look good for Kazakhstan.

    Again, I repeat, what about Nursultan Nazarbayev's Eurasion Union advocacy? Keep hyperventilating and obsessing over minutia, you can literally find small cases studies on anything (even Trump supporting Russians), how about the actual geo-strategic outlook of the actual leadership?
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    Post  miketheterrible Sat Dec 22, 2018 2:49 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:hence why Russians are treated poorly in Kazakhstan and are leaving back to Russia? Or the fact that they are moving to a Latin alphabet?

    Gross generalization or not, things dont look good for Kazakhstan.

    Again, I repeat, what about Nursultan Nazarbayev's Eurasion Union advocacy? Keep hyperventilating and obsessing over minutia, you can literally find small cases studies on anything (even Trump supporting Russians), how about the actual geo-strategic outlook of the actual leadership?

    Then there was Kazakhstan who also abstained in the vote against Russia over kerch straight incident.  Many Russians are questioning the real brotherhood of Kazakhstan.  Then there is their romanticizing with US over using its ports in the Caspian sea, which prompted everyone else to pressure Kazakhstan to sign agreement on no foreign vessels and assets of the Caspain.

    I can go on.  No hyperventilating or anything, you seem more upset with my statement though.  And it is becoming a rather headache for the Russians.

    What was proposed in the past doesn't mean these leaderships dont change in a heart beat.

    Recall that Lukaschenko wanted to unite Belarus with Russia, which Russia denied in the end due to the various demands. Now Belarus is playing a "sit on two seats" situation and trying to play tough. Something that failed for other countries too - Ukraine under Yanukovich.

    Most post Soviet countries are for sale. The highest bidder is the one who prints money and makes demands that these countries wont deny cause well, they profit for themselves.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Dec 23, 2018 2:23 pm

    Bankrupt Okean shipyard (the third shipyard in Nikolaev) sold at the beginning of December.

    https://www.kyivpost.com/business/unian-ukraines-okean-shipyard-sold-for-4-3-million.html

    I believe that the situation for the other 2 shipyards, two of the biggest in the Soviet Union (Communards 61, that built the Slava class cruisers, and Black sea shipyard, that built all the aircraft carriers) is even worse...

    https://jamestown.org/program/ukrainian-government-ukroboronprom-deadlocked-debt-production-problems-mykolaiv-shipyard/

    https://open4business.com.ua/smart-maritime-group-believes-court-decisions-to-declare-chornomorsky-shipyard-bankrupt-is-evidence-of-destructive-position-of-pgo/

    The shipyards were badly damaged during WW2, but they were rebuilt. If Nikolaev would return to Russia probably they could be rebuilt and modernised (similar to what is being done in Zvezda shipyard in the far east) and they could build both civil and military ships of all classes, including huge tankers for Rosneft.
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    Post  JohninMK Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:21 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

    The shipyards were badly damaged during WW2, but they were rebuilt. If Nikolaev would return to Russia probably they could be rebuilt and modernised (similar to what is being done in Zvezda shipyard in the far east) and they could build both civil and military ships of all classes, including huge tankers for Rosneft.
    No way the EU will allow or fund potentially competitive shipyards unless they own them, use the workers as effective slaves and export all the profits.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Dec 23, 2018 4:55 pm

    JohninMK wrote:
    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:

    The shipyards were badly damaged during WW2, but they were rebuilt. If Nikolaev would return to Russia probably they could be rebuilt and modernised (similar to what is being done in Zvezda shipyard in the far east) and they could build both civil and military ships of all classes, including huge tankers for Rosneft.
    No way the EU will allow or fund potentially competitive shipyards unless they own them, use the workers as effective slaves and export all the profits.

    The three shipyards in Crimea are now working and building ships, both military (small corvettes and patrol ships) and civil projects even if under sanctions from EU. If Nikolaev, together with the rest of the south east would rejoin Russia, EU could quarrel as much as they want but it would not be able to stop the rebuild/modernisation of the shipyards.
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    Post  Vann7 Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:07 am


    Very good video..
    News that Ukraine preparing a major war with Russia..

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 24, 2018 2:59 am

    True, but the investment and cost of upgrades would be at the cost of potential investment and upgrades of Russian ports.... many of which could do with investment and development.

    Food exports have become a major issue, with a lack of modern ports being a problem that needs to be addressed, because in the future exports of all sorts of products are going to be expanded and the destinations are going to be expanded too, so money spent now is a good investment for the future of Russian exports... if they have to send them via Baltic ports or to the west then they lose profit margins for something they could do themselves...
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Tue Dec 25, 2018 11:24 pm

    Let the hilarity ensue... lol1

    The Istanbul Church in Ukraine is ready to change the attitude towards gay people.

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    Post  VARGR198 Wed Dec 26, 2018 3:16 am

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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Dec 26, 2018 4:22 am

    I'm thinking Poropotty is going to strike on Orthodox Christmas (Jan. 7th, 2019).
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    Post  JohninMK Wed Dec 26, 2018 9:54 pm

    Interesting analysis, quite a long but interesting read. This is the first para


    December 26, 2018 Michael KofmanLeave a comment

    Following the November 25th Kerch Strait naval skirmish, in which Russia seized three Ukrainian boats, Ukrainian leadership has issued warnings of a Russian buildup near Ukraine’s borders. These began in early December and have led to a media echo chamber of concerns that a Russian attack on Ukraine is imminent, in part bolstered by press releases from ISW. Actual evidence of Russian preparations for offensive operations, force movements indicating an unexpected buildup, or an imminent attack, is hard to come by. In this somewhat longer post I want to explore the existing evidence, what little there is, and examine a few conflict scenarios that may be within the realm of possibility in coming months.


    https://russianmilitaryanalysis.wordpress.com/2018/12/26/is-a-russian-military-operation-against-ukraine-likely-in-the-near-future/
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    Post  franco Thu Dec 27, 2018 8:12 am

    JohninMK wrote:Interesting analysis, quite a long but interesting read. This is the first para


    December 26, 2018 Michael KofmanLeave a comment

    Following the November 25th Kerch Strait naval skirmish, in which Russia seized three Ukrainian boats,  Ukrainian leadership has issued warnings of a Russian buildup near Ukraine’s borders. These began in early December and have led to a media echo chamber of concerns that a Russian attack on Ukraine is imminent, in part bolstered by press releases from ISW. Actual evidence of Russian preparations for offensive operations, force movements indicating an unexpected buildup, or an imminent attack, is hard to come by. In this somewhat longer post I want to explore the existing evidence, what little there is, and examine a few conflict scenarios that may be within the realm of possibility in coming months.


    https://russianmilitaryanalysis.wordpress.com/2018/12/26/is-a-russian-military-operation-against-ukraine-likely-in-the-near-future/

    He generally presents a more balanced view from the American perception then most.
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    Post  par far Thu Dec 27, 2018 10:31 pm

    "Islamic State in Ukraine: A Christmas present from the West – George Galloway."

    Islamist Chechen fighters who honed their combat skills at Islamic State (IS, formerly ISIS) training camps are at war against Ukrainian rebels, confirms the Times. Tumbleweed.
    The report in British newspaper the Times, that Chechen Islamists, many reeling from defeat in Syria and Iraq amongst the alphabet soup of fanaticism, had indeed arrived at the war front in eastern Ukraine, woke me up from any Christmas torpor.

    An earlier report in the New York Times had revealed that the Islamist Chechens were under the command of the fascist “Right Sector” and were there to “fight Russians” because “we like fighting Russians” and “will never stop fighting Russians.”

    For the Times at Christmas it was enough to quote one of their commanders: “Putin is our common enemy.” A quote which of course could have come from the editor of the Times!

    While the report was a wake-up call for me, not so the rest of the British media still less the British political class. Tumbleweed rolled over the media spaces where fear and loathing should have been. There was more interest in Strictly Come Dancing than the long bearded Islamist extremists, who were now, once again, our dancing partners in crime.

    But it was always thus.

    When I returned to the House of Commons in 2012 after a brief absence, I asked the then Prime Minister David Cameron if he had read Mary Shelley’s Frankenstein. And if so, if he had read it all the way to the end. The end in which the monster, the good doctor had so carelessly created, broke free from his control and began acting like, well, a monster.

    On another occasion I was trapped in a lift briefly with the then Foreign Secretary William (now Lord) Hague. I told him: “William, you’ve been wrong before, in fact you’ve been wrong all your life. But you’ve never been insane before. This policy of putting knives in the hands of Islamist fanatics and allowing them to go to Syria is not just wrong, it’s insane.”

    And one day, I added portentously: “Such men with such knives will be in this building and looking for you, looking for me.” Which came true just three years later.

    My powers of prediction in parliament go back much further however.

    On the eve of the fall of Kabul to the Islamist hordes nearly 30 years ago I told the former Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher: “You have opened the gates to the barbarians, and a long dark night will now descend upon the people of Afghanistan.”

    It was certainly not the worst prediction I have ever made.

    If I had been around at the time I would have issued the same alarm call about the British state adoption of the Muslim Brotherhood in Egypt against President Nasser, about British and US support for the obscurantists in the 1960s civil war in Yemen, about Israel’s adoption of what became Hamas in Gaza against President Arafat, about Western adoption of the extremists of the Libyan Islamic Fighting Group against Gaddafi and many others. I would have warned them all: “Read Mary Shelley, read Frankenstein, and read it to the end.”

    The policy of “my enemy’s enemy is my friend” is a deeply immoral one, and one which has repeatedly failed yet is repeatedly repeated.

    In the mid-1990s I gave a lecture to the International Department of the Central Committee of the Chinese Communist Party about knowledge I had acquired through working with the Saudi opposition in London that someone called Osama Bin Laden had been oriented by the United States towards the Xinjiang region in China to agitate amongst the Uighur Muslim minority there, to exacerbate their alienation from the state, to take advantage of the weaknesses of Chinese State policy towards their Muslim citizens. And to sow terror.

    So novel was the name Osama Bin Laden then that the International Department cadres crowded round me at the end asking me to spell his name for them. So important was my news that a week later I had to do it again for the deputy foreign minister of China.

    Back in 2015, the New York Times was at pains to point out that the fanatics who turned up at Mariupol were “unpaid volunteers” and that neither they nor their Right Sector commanders were paid or instructed by the United States special forces there nor for that matter by US officials. But that’s what they always say.

    The US backs “moderate” fanatics only, just like in Syria. If you believe that, I have a bridge here in London I can sell you, going cheap.

    It was bad enough when it was the Right Sector itself, assembled from half a dozen ultra-Nationalist groups like White Hammer, the Trident of Stepan Bandera, and the Azov Group which openly uses the “wolf’s hook” symbols of the SS.

    These groups are open disciples of the anti-Semitic pogromists who fell upon their Jewish neighbours and murdered them during the Nazi Occupation of Ukraine. There was no need to wait for the trains or the concentration camps. And yet, they became instruments of policy for “liberal” “democracies”.

    An axis of evil formed between them and the head-chopping, heart-eating, crucifying killers of Islamist extremism must mark a new low in Western policy. And the worst possible Christmas present for the Christians of eastern Ukraine.



    https://www.rt.com/op-ed/447536-isis-chechen-islamists-ukraine/
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Jan 03, 2019 3:40 pm

    https://112.international/society/aircraft-designer-who-created-an-225-mriya-beaten-up-in-kyiv-35679.html


    https://ru.tsn.ua/video/video-novini/v-kieve-izbili-aviakonstruktora-zavoda-antonova-viktora-kovalskogo.html
    https://112.international wrote:
    Aircraft designer who created An-225 Mriya beaten up in Kyiv

    A famous aircraft designer was suspected in the currency fraud

    Viktor Kovalsky, the 81-year-old famous aircraft designer, who created An-225 Mriya was beaten up in Kyiv as TSN reported.

    “I was beaten in the back and on the head…five persons dropped me and began to beat me with legs as a ball, I was flopping around like a landed fish,” Viktor Kovalsky said.


    According to the mass media, Viktor Kovalsky who is working as the aircraft designer for more than 40 years was suspected in the currency fraud. Three unknowns attacked him and began to beat him up by legs. Two police officers, who arrived to the site later, also used force against Kovalsky as the victim reported to the journalists. The police did not confirm the involvement of the officers in the beating; however, it stated that the officers of the patrol police worked at the site.

    The aircraft designer was handcuffed and put into the car of the law enforcers. As they checked his briefcase and found the drawings in it, the law enforcers understood that they detained not a fraud.

    According to the mass media, Kovalsky has the concussion, his back and tooth are hurt, and the bruises can be seen on his face.  

    The witnesses claimed that the passers-by called to the ambulance.

    Solomensky police office has opened the criminal proceeding due to wilfully inflicted actual bodily harm. Now all details of the incident and people involved in it are under establishment.

    Earlier the activist who cooperated with Temporary Investigation Commission, which investigates the murder of Kateryna Handziuk and attack at other public figures, was beaten up in the Kherson region.
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    Post  miketheterrible Thu Jan 03, 2019 11:08 pm

    https://twitter.com/dolg132005/status/1080910148678402053?s=19

    People like this Ukrainian deserves to die
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    Post  Aristonicus Mon Jan 07, 2019 8:05 am

    Avis Krane wrote:Ukrainian troops occupy the entire “gray zone” in Donbass
    Avis Krane, Essence of Time Europe (Kurginyan), Dec 27 2018
    The entire “gray zone” that separates the positions of the Ukrainian army and the territories of the LPR and the DPR in Donbass is now under the Kiev’s control, Yury Biryukov, the Ukrainian President’s adviser said on air to the Ukrainian Pryamoy TV channel on December 26. Biryukov said that compared to the situation in May 2014, two-thirds of the territories that were previously part of the unrecognized peoples’ republics in Donbass, have been returned under the control of the Kiev authorities. The borders of the “gray zone” between the positions of the Ukrainian army and the People’s Republics were defined in the Minsk Agreements from February 2015. According to the agreements, no heavy weapons of any warring party can be deployed within the borders of the “gray zone”. However, starting from 2015, the presence of Ukrainian troops in the “gray zone”, contrary to the agreements, has only been growing over time. Russia has repeatedly protested against the Kiev’s actions in the “gray zone” of the conflict in Donbass, but Poroshenko has repeatedly declared his success in regaining control over the settlements and appointing Ukraine-controlled municipalities there.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Wed Jan 16, 2019 7:25 am

    Can anyone point out whats wrong with this photo?

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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jan 16, 2019 8:31 pm

    The Ukrainian flag.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jan 16, 2019 11:04 pm

    The Ukrainian flag.

    I would agree, but would also strongly agree if you removed the letter L from the sentence too.

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