The Situation in the Ukraine. #27

JohninMK wrote:

littlerabbit wrote:So...how many F-15's had landed, what else they have moved into Ukraine?

These are from the US Air National Guard unit in California so they have had a long journey. Usually, as per other trips into Eastern Europe, it is a detachment of 4 x F-15C plus a C-17 (maybe C-130J but I doubt it if the staff come from the same unit) with support staff. This is an air defence exercise hence the F-15C rather than F-15E. Also interesting that the US hasn't used any of the F-15Cs that they already have in Europe.

I got that wrong. There is indeed at least one F-15D from Lakenheath in Ukraine. One had to do an emergency barrier landing today. Note absence of missiles.

https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-air-force-f-15d-eagle-maked-emergency-landing-during-exercise-in-ukraine.html

https://sputniknews.com/amp/europe/201810161068936225-su-27-crash-training/?__twitter_impression=true

US pilot and ukrainian pilot dead in su-27 crash in ukraine. I wonder what happened to the plane

If the Americans fly the Ukrainian planes they are absolutely desperate... both of them. Hard to believe  but maybe the degree of degradation of the US military is more than I was expecting. Also the Saudis are complaining these days. Great gains with little effort so far for Russia.

https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-air-force-f-15d-eagle-maked-emergency-landing-during-exercise-in-ukraine.html

An f-15 made an emergancy landing in ukraine

Looks like this exercice is a total failure or russian spetznaz are making some sabotage mission very well.

Isos wrote:https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-air-force-f-15d-eagle-maked-emergency-landing-during-exercise-in-ukraine.html

An f-15 made an emergancy landing in ukraine

Keep up mate, I posted it yesterday

Looks like the Yank was in the backseat of the Su-27. Sad deaths but given the way some of those UkAF pilots fly down flight lines I'm surprised any USAF or other NATO pilot is allowed in those planes.

JohninMK wrote:

Isos wrote:https://defence-blog.com/news/u-s-air-force-f-15d-eagle-maked-emergency-landing-during-exercise-in-ukraine.html

An f-15 made an emergancy landing in ukraine

Keep up mate, I posted it yesterday

Looks like the Yank was in the backseat of the Su-27. Sad deaths but given the way some of those UkAF pilots fly down flight lines I'm surprised any USAF or other NATO pilot is allowed in those planes.

I don't follow this thread at all.

American officials said "an american was involved". Maybe he tried to fly the su-27 and lost control. It already happened with sukhoi in USA some years ago. I doubt ukrainian would fly dangerously with foreigner inside.

Showing off is a serious problem... a US navy sub commander with visitors on board didn't follow surfacing procedure a while back in Hawaii and sank a Japanese fishing boat...

Of course it could have been a technical fault, or any number of things...

https://www.rt.com/news/441489-explosive-device-crimea-college/


I wonder if this will be the last straw for Russia.
Time to liquidate Prat Sektor and their backers, I think.

Altho we're still waiting for Russia to take out the Odessa and other massacre perpetrators.

Nothing will happen.

Russian government will divert attention away from it by saying perpetrators weren't from Ukraine (even if they were) and they will say they will make it a day of mourning and they will boost security. Blah blah blah. Nothing more.

And all will be forgotten till Ukraine does it again, and again, and again, and again.

It was a mentaly ill ex-pupil with a shot-gun and some home-made bombs.

A terrorist wouldn´t go to a technical college but to an hotel or the beach and blow himself up. Much more damage to the tourist industry.

Whatever the case is, RIP.

Quite a lot he did by being alone. So there is of course investigation being done to see if he had an accomplice.

The Ukrainian Su-27 That Crashed With an American Soldier Onboard Had Never Been Repaired During Ukraine’s “Independence”

http://www.stalkerzone.org/the-ukrainian-su-27-that-crashed-with-an-american-soldier-onboard-had-never-been-repaired-during-ukraines-independence/

Senior officers died.

http://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/24293/lt-col-seth-jethro-nehring-was-usaf-f-15-pilot-who-died-in-su-27-crash-in-ukraine

Question: when are next presidential and parliamentary elections in 404?

PapaDragon wrote:


Question: when are next presidential and parliamentary elections in 404?

Scary time as all the polls say the crazies don't have a chance of re-election and crazies being crazy

So? What are the polls saying exactly?

Western countries prohibit Lugansk election chief from speaking at UN Security Council



According to Sweden’s deputy permanent envoy to the UN, inviting an official from the self-proclaimed republic would set a dangerous precedent

UN, October 30. /TASS/. Western nations have prohibited Yelena Kravchenko, the head of the Central Election Commission of the self-proclaimed Lugansk People’s Republic (LPR), from delivering a report to the UN Security Council on the situation in Ukraine in the run-up to the November 11 elections in Donbass.

During Tuesday’s vote on the issue, representatives of seven nations voted against inviting Kravchenko to the Security Council session on Ukraine, seven abstained, and only Russia voted in favor.

According to Carl Skau, Sweden’s deputy permanent envoy to the UN, Kravchenko does not represent the Ukrainian government or the civil society, and her presence would therefore set "a dangerous precedent."

Meanwhile, Russia’s UN envoy, Vasily Nebenzya, said he was surprised by the fact that none of the countries that sought to convene the UN meeting on the situation in Ukraine, including the United States, the United Kingdom, France, Sweden, Poland and The Netherlands "even bothered to think of inviting the representatives of those who would be the focus of discussion, namely representatives of those regions [DPR and LPR]."

Besides, the Russian diplomat said that the Western nations "wanted the session to be held behind closed doors, so that they could later tell the media only what they want to reveal."

"We have long been aware of their methods of work at the Security Council and condemn their double standards," Nebenzya added. "That is why, for the sake of the spirit of transparency, we insisted on an open discussion and invited DPR and LPR election chiefs to take part."

The decision to hold early elections in the self-proclaimed people’s republics of Donetsk and Lugansk (DPR and LPR) was made a week after DPR head Alexander Zakharchenko was killed in a terrorist attack on August 31. Moscow described the vote as a necessary measure. According to Russia’s envoy to the Contact Group on Ukraine, Boris Gryzlov, the Minsk Package of Measures regulates only municipal elections in Donbass. The voting to choose executive heads and elect parliaments is not a municipal one and, therefore, constitutes no violation of the Minsk accords.


More:
http://tass.com/world/1028619

DPR acting head slams UN SC move to discuss elections in Donbass without Donetsk, Lugansk



Pushilin expressed the hope that the UN Security Council would not follow the path of double standards typical of Western countries

DONETSK, October 31. /TASS/. It is not right to discuss the upcoming elections in Donbass in the absence of representatives from the self-proclaimed republics, acting head of the Donetsk People’s Republic (DPR) Denis Pushilin said on Tuesday.

"We simply cannot not have vacuum of power (after the murder of DPR leader Alexander Zakharchenko - TASS). We need to ensure the continuity of state governance, so we appointed elections of the republic’s leader and parliament. But the issue of the upcoming elections in Donbass is going to be discussed by the United Nations Security Council without representatives from the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republic, which is at least wrong and non-objective," the Donetsk News Agency quoted him as saying.

He expressed bafflement that the UN Security Council never initiates its meetings "when civilians in Donbass die in shelling attacks by the Ukrainian armed forces, when Donbass is being stifled by blockades, when Kiev is sparing no effort to break down the Minsk agreement by refusing to pull out forces and weapons and exchange prisoners, by dodging implementation of the political provisions of the Minsk agreements, when agents of the Ukrainian Security Service cowardly killed DPR’s head, Alexander Zakharchenko."

"But, the UN Security Council has decided to discuss the issue of elections in the Donbass republics, which in no way run counter to the Minsk agreements. And this is despite the fact that the Package of Measures on the implementation of the Minsk agreements envisage that only municipal elections should be agreed by the parties whereas no such elections have ever been held either in the DPR or in the LPR (Lugansk People’s Republic) and are not planned as of yet," he stressed.

Pushilin expressed the hope that the UN Security Council would not follow the path of double standards typical of Western countries. "In any case, elections in the Donetsk People’s Republic will he held. They will be transparent, open and will comply with our laws, our constitution and all international norms and standards," he said.

At a United Nations Security Council meeting on Tuesday, diplomats from Western countries refused to give the floor to the chairperson of the LPR’s Central Election Commission Elena Kravchenko.

The decision to hold elections in the Donetsk and Lugansk People’s Republics was taken a week after the death of DPR’s head, Alexander Zakharchenko, in a terror attack. Moscow described this decision as a necessary step in such conditions. Russia’s chief negotiator at the Minsk Donbass settlement talks, Boris Gryzlov, noted that the Package of Measures on the implementation of the Minsk agreements regulated only municipal elections in Donbass whereas elections of the heads of the self-proclaimed republics and their parliaments could not be categorized as municipal and for that reason did not contradict the Minsk process in formal terms.


More:
http://tass.com/world/1028622

Walther von Oldenburg wrote:So? What are the polls saying exactly?

Timoshenko speaks out against special status of Donbass, Ukraine’s federalization

The leader of Ukraine’s Batkivshchina party has announced plans to run for president, and currently tops all the presidential candidate rankings

KIEV, October 30. /TASS/. Yulia Timoshenko, the leader of Ukraine’s Batkivshchina (or Fatherland) party, who has announced plans to run for president, stands against providing special status to the Donbass region and believes that Ukraine’s federalization will only encourage separatists, as she herself said at a forum dubbed New Peace and Security Strategy in Kiev.

"An indiscriminate amnesty is impossible. Special status can be provided neither to the Donetsk Region nor the Lugansk Region. We need a new constitution that would protect the rights and freedoms of all the communities in Ukraine, while at the same time ensuring that Ukraine remains a unitary state. Federalism is unacceptable, for it will only pave the way for separatism," she said.

Timoshenko, who is Ukraine’s former prime minister, tops all the presidential candidate rankings. September polls show that as many as 17.8% of voters support her. Former Defense Minister and Head of the Civil Position party Anatoly Gritsenko comes second with a 8.4% rating, while Ukraine’s incumbent President Pyotr Poroshenko is third (7.9%).

The presidential election in Ukraine is scheduled to take place on March 31, 2019.

Special status law

Ukraine adopted a law providing special status to certain areas of the Donetsk and Lugansk regions in October 2014 for a three-year term. The document is crucial for finding a political solution to the conflict in eastern Ukraine.

On October 6, 2017, the Verkhovna Rada (Ukraine’s parliament) passed a bill, which extended the special status of Donbass for another year. However, Kiev amended the law to ensure that it will only come into force after Ukrainian authorities gain full control of the areas in question and "all the illegal armed units and military equipment" are withdrawn.

The move undermined the Contact Group’s negotiations on holding regional elections in Donbass and introducing self-government as part of a constitutional reform in Ukraine in accordance with the Minsk Accords and the Normandy Quartet’s agreement on the so-called "Steinmeier formula" (put forward by then German Foreign Minister Frank-Walter Steinmeier).

On October 4, 2018, Ukrainian President Pyotr Poroshenko has signed a law extending the special status of Donbass until December 31, 2019.


More:
http://tass.com/world/1028557

Where is Ispan with his briliant insights into events and happenings in the Ukraine?

Hello, Walther, I just saw your question yesterday.

Basically I quit the war when it winded down following spring aggravation. It's clear the Ukrainian army is exhausted and incapable of any serious effort, even if Poroshenko wished so.

Like everybody else, I am waiting for something to happen. Nothing came out of negotiations with the US, and nothing will change after US midterms. There's an impasse and war will only end in a few months when the Ukraine elections come and the new government decides to make peace.

I think Moscow is betting that Ukraine will either collapse economically, wich is a certainty by 2020 when Nord-Stream gas pipeline is completed and Ukraine loses gas transit income, or sooner if Poroshenko doesn't want to leave and his opponents make an uprising to overthrow him.

If the Ukrops renew war in full scale, it will be their undoing, the army is reaching breaking point and one last major battle will shatter it.

Accumulated battle casualties, desertion, draft dodging and discharge of volunteers is shrinking the army, by dummer 2019 Novorussian forces should have close to numerical parity and the ability to break the front and roll up the Ukrainian army.

Perhaps ammunition will ran out sooner, forcing peace.


Ukraine can only survive under Russian management, so I hope those in Kremlin decide to bet on the Novorussian reformatting of the country and back the militia to not only liberate Donbass but overthrow the Western puppet regime.

How would you imagine a Russian-managed Ukraine/ A federalized state, break-up into two countries or something else entirely?

Nice that you're back BTW.

Ispan wrote:
Perhaps ammunition will ran out sooner, forcing peace.


Ukraine can only survive under Russian management, so I hope those in Kremlin decide to bet on the Novorussian reformatting of the country and back the militia to not only liberate Donbass but overthrow the Western puppet regime.

There was news of huge Ukrainian ammo depots blowing sky high (likely from saboteurs), so that would probably play in to it. Before, I couldn't see them gain major backing by Krym/Krem, but after the recent death of INF Treaty, plus the end of the gas-transit by late 2019, the Eurasian Union forming in 2020, it seems more likely than ever before.

I suspect those ammo dumps blew up because most of it was no where it should have been... sell off most of it to anyone with money... including the enemy... and then start a fire and destroy all the evidence...

At this point I rather suspect the EU and US probably want the Russians to step in and take over the Ukraine because if they don't it will just remain a money pit for them.

Russia hasn't taken the bait and dipped their toes in to a potentially very bloody civil war... Russian responses have actually been very measured and clever and while there have been a few problems regarding ship engines and helicopter engines... such things are being sorted out and in the future will be made in Russia for Russian products. And more importantly will probably will be developed and improved more effectively.

The western half of the Ukraine can join Poland or whatever they want to do... Russia is not obliged to adopt any country but I am sure it would be happy to have good trade relationships with certain non nazi parts of the former Ukraine.

I certainly don't think they will take all of the Ukraine under their wing and forgive them for their behaviour over the last few decades.

Many in the west claim the Russians supported the previous lot in power that the western coup overthrew, but really they were only taking the Russian deal because it was a much better offer for the Ukraine... if they were actually pro Russia they might have let the Crimea have a referendum and actually give them the independence they had been asking for since the end of the Soviet Union... but they didn't.

source
https://www.pravda.com.ua/news/2018/11/12/7197956/

Protesters burning tires at local natural gas distribution company in Kryvyi Rih, cause no heat

"The building of Kryvorizhgaz is captured by unknown people, hostages are holding company employees who negotiated with them, the company can not guarantee safe gas supply to the city," the statement reads.

It is noted that the building of the enterprise was taken by storm "due to the refusal of Naftogaz of Ukraine to supply gas to the enterprise" Kryvy Rih Heat Center ".


as of November 12, hundreds of thousands of residents of the city sit without heat.

As the platform 104.ua informs on Facebook, as of November 12, 78 schools and 75 kindergartens, gas emergency dispatching service (after vehicle damage and employee attacks) are not working for two days.