ATLASCUB wrote:You all would repeat the same trope if Belarus were to fall next when we all know this is just the result of a collection of elites deciding Russian elites are not the best to suck up to - and they won the power tussle with the U.S cheering them on, scheming and supporting them. In effect, the best won, if you look at it from a purely competitive perspective.
To KVS...I grew seeing Ukranians as Russians (ehm Soviets)... the distinction is practically non-existent (for the overwhelming majority). If a fringe is given power and freedom to propagandize filth and exploit circumstances to their liking, it will eventually get some buyers...and more and more with more repetition and the less competition of views. That's in essence how you propagandize and populations at large are NOT immune to this anywhere in the world - ANYWHERE. If you wished for all Ukrainians to be homogeneous thinkers you're obviously not rational. Fringe elements exist within Russia too. Moreover, with the dissolution of the Soviet Union Russia pretty much created a barrier between Russian people and told them - you're Russian no longer....but Ukranian, Belorussian etc....
Don't expect them to see mother Russia as its mother...when it has been told it's not. Nor has mother Russia pick up the cannons to go fight for its child, even if some went the wrong way.
As for fringes reshaping society....give the West-Liberals in Russia free reign and see what happens. Exactly.
I am half Ukrainian, with that part of my family coming from the western part that was under Poland between the Soviet-Polish
war and WWII. Don't throw NATO retard propaganda phrases like "mother Russia" at me. You clearly have no idea of the
public opinion in Ukraine. There is no continuity with the USSR "harmony". At least 40% of the population has bought into
the anti-Russian Banderite "nationalism" that was succored by the west. The expat Ukrainian communities in Canada, USA
and elsewhere composed mostly of the Nazi collaborator trash that fled after WWII have succeeded in giving Ukraine a
new identity. Ukrainians clearly did not have the intellectual fortitude to develop a pragmatic one themselves.
Running around waving pictures of Bandera is a clear sign of mental inadequacy. I bet you will claim that Russian geriatrics
waving pictures of Stalin are the same. BS. Stalin was an actual leader and had his act together during WWII. It is typical
NATO propaganda that paints him as some incompetent buffoon. Compared to Hitler he was a genius. And all the Soviet
human rights abuses during the 1930s were not his sole responsibility. He actually had reign in Khruschev from his campaign
to exterminate all perceived political opponents, the same Khruschev who was later whitewashed into some sort of reformer.
Bandera was nothing more than Hitler's stooge and not an actual Ukrainian statesman. Aside from Holocaust level atrocities,
there is nothing to distinguish this butcher.
Also, how is Bandera relevant to Ukraine today? What national identity does he represent? Ukrainians were Slav untermenschen
scheduled for eventual eradication by Hitler. Bandera has nothing to offer in terms of Ukrainian culture. He was merely one
of Hitler's dogs. Bandera is an identity symbol for all the collaborator expats and not for real Ukrainians living in Ukraine. But
they swallowed this turd anyway.