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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:40 am

    Unless the hull has been damaged by running aground or a collision or it has suffered damage by being hit by a torpedo then it is generally fine for the lifetime of the ship.

    The hull of a ship is generally designed to be fairly strong and take a long service life in rough water.

    These vessels however have spent most of their lives sitting at piers doing very little.
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    Post  Austin Fri Apr 01, 2011 7:46 am

    GarryB wrote:These vessels however have spent most of their lives sitting at piers doing very little.

    Yeah and it will corrode the hulls and metal fatigue will creep in.

    Generally older ships have problem with machinery , boilers . The Hull itself does not cost much but the machinary , propulsion and electronic takes most of the cost of the ship like 80 % plus.

    Now with older ships if you replace the machinery,boilers , refuel it and replace the entire electronic and weapons , you might well replace the hull itself or just build a new ships.

    from what I have read they are replacing the electronics and weapons and will refuell the reactor , which IMHO is a bad deal since the older machinery will just give you more and more problem during its life and these are really old like 20 years or so.

    Its really a bad deal , they could have rather put that money in building new Gorshkov class Aircraft Carrier or build couple of new destroyers which would have lasted for 35-40 years.
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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 01, 2011 8:07 am

    I am no expert in ship design, but my understanding is that the ship hull is first put together and then it is floated out and sailed to another area to have propulsion and other material installed.

    The really big shipyards needed are needed to put the hull together... mounting or removing the propulsion can be done in smaller yards.

    If it was up to me I would remove the Kirov class complicated combined propulsion system and replace it with a more powerful and more modern and compact nuclear power unit that I would standardise and also put in the Slava class vessels I upgraded and also any carriers I was making or upgrading (including the Kuznetsov).
    The final carrier group we are creating will only operate as fast as its slowest vessel so its big ships all need to be fast and not limited by the speed of the refuelling ships.
    Edit: I would add that I would redesign all the ships... Kirovs and Slavas and any new carrier designs and the Kuznetsov, to modern smaller more powerful nuclear reactors, but I would also change them all to electric drive vessels with the nuclear reactors simply providing electrical power so they can be located in the centre of the vessels. The electric drive system should mean that the propellers could be fitted as pods at the front or the rear or both and make the vessels highly manoeuvrable. It will also make the design simpler and cheaper with less machinery and gearing... with no drive shaft or transmission.
    In practical terms it means also no rudders as the propeller pods can be used to precisely steer the ships... and of course the props can be run forward or in reverse instantly... a diesel will run backwards but normally has to be stopped first so reverse is normally handled by gearing and the transmission... electric drive eliminates this.
    Its really a bad deal , they could have rather put that money in
    building new Gorshkov class Aircraft Carrier or build couple of new
    destroyers which would have lasted for 35-40 years.

    Do you mean the modified Kiev class that was altered for the Indian Navy?
    It was modified because it was available... there are no other Kiev class carriers to modify so scratch building a new carrier modelled on it makes little sense.

    The Kirovs will be in service for another 30-40 years... this upgrade wont be their last and it wont be their most expensive upgrade either.

    The Slavas are in the same situation.


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    Post  Russian Patriot Sat Apr 02, 2011 11:58 pm

    The transfer of Russia's Navy Main Headquarters from Moscow to St. Petersburg will be completed in early 2012, the Defense Ministry said on Tuesday.

    "The Navy Main Headquarters will be moved from Moscow to St. Petersburg by the end of 2011- the first quarter of 2012," Deputy Defense Minister Grigory Naginsky said.

    The official said the issue was under review by Russian Navy Commander Adm. Vladimir Vysotsky.

    In 2007, Boris Gryzlov, the speaker of the lower house of parliament, proposed transferring the Navy headquarters from Moscow to St. Petersburg as part of an ongoing military reform.

    Several top Russian military commanders were against the idea, saying it would be too costly and ineffective.

    MOSCOW, March 29 (RIA Novosti)

    http://en.rian.ru/mlitary_news/20110329/163265474.html
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    Post  GarryB Sun Apr 03, 2011 1:06 am

    I have read suggestions to move the Russian capital to another city based on the logic that making another Russian city the capital city will result in large scale investment in that city in its infrastructure and buildings so Russia will have two cities in good condition.

    The unnecessary costs and the waste would be a problem, but I think moving the navy from Moscow will likely move the Navy command closer to the Russian Navy which will be a good thing.

    Unfortunately this will also mean moving the Navy command away from the Russian government which might end up being bad for the Navy too.
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    Post  Austin Tue Apr 05, 2011 6:54 pm

    Pictures of Northern Fleet
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    Post  Russian Patriot Sat May 07, 2011 8:00 pm

    Russia, Norway to hold joint naval drills next week
    RIA Novosti

    20:26 06/05/2011

    MOSCOW, May 6 (RIA Novosti) - Russia and Norway will hold large-scale naval exercise Pomor 2011 on May 11-16, a spokesman for Russia's Northern Fleet said on Friday.

    The drills in the Barents and Norwegian seas will involve Russian Udaloy class destroyer Vice Admiral Kulakov from the Northern Fleet, Norwegian Fridtjof Nansen class frigate Helge Ingstad, coastal guard vessels and naval aircraft.

    "The drills will include artillery firing at air and surface targets, anti-submarine warfare, an anti-piracy mission, and the freeing of an oil platform or a commercial ship from armed extremists," Capt. 1st Rank Vadim Serga said.

    Prior to the exercise, Helge Ingstad will take part in the Victory Day celebrations in the Northern Fleet's main base of Severomorsk on May 9.

    Russia and Norway held similar naval drills last June to practice interoperability during missions in the Arctic.

    The Norwegian Navy was represented by guided missile frigate Otto Sverdrup, Coast Guard ship Nordkapp, an Orion patrol aircraft, F-16 fighters and Lynx helicopters, while Russia's Northern Fleet contributed the Severomorsk destroyer, Il-38 ASW aircraft, Su-33 fighters and a Ka-27 naval helicopter.

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    Russian warship to visit Singapore, Indonesia

    Russian Pacific Fleet's destroyer Admiral Panteleyev will visit Singapore and Indonesia on May 16-27 to take part in IMDEX-2011 naval exhibition and hold joint drills with the Indonesian navy.

    The biennial IMDEX Asia International Maritime Defense Exhibition (IMDEX) is held in Singapore on May 17-19.

    "Russian warships have taken part in this exhibition several times in the past," the fleet's spokesman Capt. 1st Rank Roman Martov said. " For instance, Russian missile cruiser Varyag - the flagship of the Pacific Fleet - visited Singapore on the same occasion in 2009."

    Admiral Panteleyev, an Udaloy class destroyer, will stay in Singapore until May 20 before departing for Indonesia where it will take part in anti-piracy drills with the Indonesian navy.

    "During the visit, the Russian and Indonesian warships will hold anti-piracy exercises," Martov said adding that the simulated mission would involve the rescue of a tanker seized by pirates.

    The Russian destroyer will stay at the port of Makassar in eastern Indonesia on May 25-27.

    Admiral Panteleyev took part in the international anti-piracy mission off the Somali coast in 2009.

    The warship seized a boat carrying 29 suspected pirates, believed to have been involved in an unsuccessful attack on a Russian-crewed oil tanker en route to Singapore.

    The destroyer also prevented a pirate attack on a cargo vessel while escorting a convoy of six merchant ships.

    MOSCOW/VLADIVOSTOK, May 16 (RIA Novosti)

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    Post  Austin Tue May 31, 2011 5:59 am

    Russian Navy gunboats destroy mock enemy targets during exercise[/B]

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    Post  Austin Tue May 31, 2011 8:50 pm

    Warship Technology: Russian Naval Programs
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    Post  GarryB Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:50 am

    Nice example of reusing old kit...

    That 76.2mm gun turret is a PT-76 turret.

    Lack of stabilisation would make it a poor choice for use at sea, but for a river boat it is fine for hitting targets on the water and on the shore.

    Plus spares and ammo are in stock, likely in large numbers as the gun is the same as that fitted to the T-34/76 I believe.
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    Post  Pervius Fri Jun 10, 2011 6:39 am

    Russian naval commanders are smart.

    The island of Truk, now Chuuk had people traveling 12 hours across the ocean in a little canoe with a small motor to get out to one of their islands.

    Russian ships would travel thru those areas to help them, sometimes those poor people would get stranded out there in the middle of the ocean far from their islands. Whalla Russian Navy got Human Intel source.....maybe some of those Truk/Chuuk people are now on Guam? Maybe some of them are working right inside the Naval Base there?

    Lots of island people's have Russian coin in their pockets in the Pacific. I'm sure US knows who each one is because they Xray those peoples stuff when they fly around now. Russian coins that were handed out now has the US knowing who's been contacting Russians. Lots of people eh?
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    Post  Austin Tue Jun 21, 2011 10:32 am

    Reform of the Russian Navy in 2008-2011
    Moscow Defense Brief 2/2011
    Dmitry Boltenkov

    The Russian Army and Air Force underwent a radical reform in 2008-2011, with sweeping changes in the structure of their units, a revamped command and control system and a new support and logistics setup. By contrast, the reform of the Russian Navy has proceeded at a much more deliberate pace.

    The reshaping of the Navy into the New Look model has followed what has now become a traditional path. The MoD has aimed to bolster the Navy’s fighting ability by bringing its various units to 100 per cent of their full wartime strength in terms of manpower; entering into service new ships and submarines; offloading non-military assets, such as housing, to municipal authorities; outsourcing some jobs to civilian contractors, reducing the numbers of non-combat officers, and merging the existing units to save costs.

    Navy command structure

    The status of the Navy’s Commander and Main Staff remains uncertain since it is still unclear which of their current functions they will retain. It is very likely that the MoD will follow the model already used for the Army and the Air Force, i.e. limit the Navy Commander’s remit to strategic planning and development, monitoring of the shipbuilding programs, cooperation with research institutions, etc. It is not clear though who will command the Navy groups in the oceans, especially if said groups are put together from ships belonging to more than one Navy Fleet. In Soviet times such groups were commanded directly by the Main Navy Command. But that is probably the only argument in favor of leaving the command and control remit with the Main Navy Command. One proposal is to set up a separate Command for overseas operations.1 Be that as it may, the Navy’s main operational command body, the Central Navy Command Post, has already become part of the General Staff’s united Central Command Post, along with the central command posts of all the other armed services.2

    At this stage the structural reform of the Navy has consisted of subordinating the Navy Fleets to the newly created Operational Strategic Commands (i.e. the new Military Districts). The Northern and Baltic Fleets are now part of the Western Military District, the Black Sea Fleet and the Caspian Flotilla are part of the Southern Military District, and the Eastern Military District has taken over the Pacific Fleet. The HQs of these districts now have Navy departments, which provide coordination between the fleets and the other forces commanded by the respective districts. As a result, there is now closer horizontal cohesion between the Army and Navy forces. But very little has changed for the structures subordinated to the fleet commands3; they still take their orders from the commanders of the fleets.

    Reform of the Navy fleet formations

    When the reform began, the size of the Russian Navy’s command bodies was not proportionate to the number of ships and submarines in service. The support and logistics services were also bloated.

    The ongoing restructuring has aimed to reduce the headcount at the HQs (in the Northern Fleet, 15 per cent of officers and 17 per cent of civilian personnel have been made redundant4). The service in charge of upholding morale (the former political propaganda bodies inherited from Soviet times) also saw very serious cuts. The axe has fallen on the departments that do not directly contribute to the Navy’s fighting ability.5 Many non-combat servicemen have become civilian contractors. In the support and logistics services, many officers who have reached retirement age have been let go.

    Overall, the ongoing reform of the Russian Navy has spared the ships and the frontline services (there is simply no room for cuts there), but slashed the oversized command structures and rear services.

    Nevertheless, there has been some optimization of the Navy’s frontline units.

    The 11th and 12th Submarine Squadrons of the Northern Fleet have become the new Submarine Command6.

    The former detachments (Russian ‘divisions’, not ‘diviziya’) that hosted decommissioned nuclear-powered submarines awaiting their turn at the scrapyard (the 366th in Sovetskaya Gavan, the 304th in Vilyuchinsk and the 346th in Vidyaevo) have been disbanded because almost all those submarines have already been scrapped.

    Following the bankruptcy of the Avangard Shipyard in Petrozavodsk, which used to build and repair minesweepers, the 94th ‘Division’ that hosted ships awaiting repairs at the plant has been disbanded.7

    The Vydyaevo base area has been downsized to become a coastal base of the 7th Submarine Division.

    In late 2010 Aurora cruiser, which became a floating museum in St Petersburg in the early 20th century for its prominent role in the 1917 Bolshevik Revolution, was formally decommissioned from the Russian Navy. All its crew, apart from the captain, are now civilians.

    The 74th Submarine Division, which was made of boats awaiting repairs at the Nerpa Shipyard, has been disbanded.8 There have been cuts in the Navy engineering units.

    The 269th Naval Aviation Communications Station has been reformatted to become part of the 301st Central Navy Communications Station.9

    The HQ of the Leningrad Naval Base was relocated to Kronstadt in November 2008.

    There have been a series of big cuts in the naval support and hydrographic fleets. A number of divisions have been downsized to become naval support groups, etc.

    Reform of the support and logistics system

    The support and logistics units of the individual Fleets and the units taking orders directly from the Navy Command have also undergone substantial reforms. The primary objective was to rid the Navy of responsibilities that should by rights lie elsewhere, so that the central command could devote all its energies to bolstering the Navy’s fighting ability.

    Each naval Fleet now has supply and logistics bases (SLBs) which provide the Russian Navy units with fuel, food, various equipment and hardware, and other supplies. These bases have subsumed all the former supply and logistics units of the Navy. There are now five SLBs: in St Petersburg, Astrakhan, Krymsk, Murmansk and Vladivostok.

    Several arms and munitions bases have been merged.

    As part of the effort to rid the MoD of non-military assets, the government has set up the JSC Oboronservis holding company, which has taken over the housing and utility assets and the heating and power plants which used to be on the Russian Navy’s balance books. Oboronservis has also assumed ownership of the naval communications equipment repair plants, munitions warehouses, and rocket and artillery equipment repair plants.

    In late 2009 the 6th Arsenal of the Northern Fleet in Burmakovo was restructured and split into two parts: the No 81269 military unit and the JSC Repairs Center company. The military unit was left in charge of munitions, and the company took over maintenance, repairs and disposal of decommissioned weapons. The Northern Arsenal unit of the MoD (the former 2708th Torpedo Weapons and Ammunition Base) was restructured in March 2010 to become JSC Severnyy Arsenal company, and then incorporated into JSC Oboronservis. Several construction units have been taken over by JSC Oboronstroy; the farms that previously belonged to the Navy by JSC Agroprom; the local electricity grids by Oboronenergo; the wholesale and retail trade departments of the fleets by Voentorg; the aircraft repair plants by JSC Aviaremont; and the car and truck repair plants by Spetsremont.

    All these measures are expected to improve the Navy’s fighting ability and enable its combat units to focus on training. Nevertheless, such large-scale reorganizations always result in some early problems.

    The reform has also affected the medical provision system. For example, the Baltic Fleet’s hospitals in Kaliningrad Region have been reorganized into a single medical center, the 1409th Navy Clinical Hospital. It includes the Main Hospital of the Baltic Fleet in Kaliningrad and its branches in Baltiysk and Chernyakhovsk.10

    Another typical example is the former 412th Plant of the White Sea Naval Base, which was used for refueling nuclear propulsion reactors. The plant was disbanded on December 1, 2009; its nuclear activities have been taken over by the civilian Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center.11

    The Navy’s training and education system has also undergone a radical reorganization. Its research institutes and schools have been merged into a territorially distributed Naval Academy Research and Training Center, which includes the Naval Academy itself, the Higher Special Officer Courses, five naval research institutes, three MoD research institutes (the 1st, the 24th and the 40th), the Nakhimov Naval School and the Kronstadt Naval Cadet Corps. The new center is now subordinated to the education and training department of the MoD rather than the Navy Command.12 The plan is to relocate the center’s HQ to Kronstadt at some point in the future.13

    Plans for the naval Fleets

    Prospects for further reform of the Russian Navy can be illustrated by the Black Sea and Pacific fleets.

    In 2008 Russia adopted a special program to prioritize the development of the Black Sea Fleet. The decision was made in view of the general military-political situation in the Mediterranean and the Black Sea, tense relations with Georgia, the need to provide security during the 2014 Winter Olympics in Sochi,14 the ongoing operation against piracy in the Indian Ocean, and other foreign policy considerations.

    The bulk of the Black Sea Fleet ships are still seaworthy, but most belong in a museum and need to be replaced as a matter of priority. In October 2010 the government announced that the fleet will receive up to 18 new ships and boats by 2020, including nine frigates and six diesel-electric submarines.

    Meanwhile, the Pacific Fleet needs to be strengthened because of the growing global importance of the Asia Pacific region, continuing territorial claims against Russia by Japan, and the need to combat piracy in the Indian Ocean. The first in line for a refresh is the strategic component of the Pacific Fleet; several new Project 955 (Yuriy Dolgorukiy class) nuclear-powered missile submarines will enter service. It is also quite likely that the Mistral class amphibious assault ships for which the Russian MoD has placed an order in France will be assigned to the Pacific Fleet. It has been announced that Marshal Ustinov15 and Admiral Nakhimov16 guided missile cruisers, which currently serve with the Northern Fleet, will be transferred to the Pacific Fleet after repairs. As part of the overall effort to strengthen the Russian forces in the Southern Kuril Islands the MoD also plans to deploy a Bastion-P mobile coastal defense missiles battery there.17

    Marines and Coastal Troops

    The Russian Navy’s Coastal Troops have been reformed and the remaining units brought to their full wartime strength. Several units have changed their status, including the former 61st (Northern Fleet) and 22nd (Kamchatka) Marines Brigades, which have become regiments but retained all of their manpower. The reason for the decision was the state of these units’ barracks and living quarters. At some point in the future the two regiments will become brigades once again.18 Meanwhile, the 810th Marines Regiment of the Black Sea Fleet has been brought up in size to a full brigade, gaining a lot of manpower in the process. Under the terms of the 1997 agreement with Ukraine on the stationing of the Russian armed forces on Ukrainian territory, the strength of the Black Sea Fleet’s marines and naval aviation units is limited to 1,987 people. But according to several recent reports, the number of the Black Sea Fleet’s marines stationed in Sevastopol is as high as 2,473 people.19

    The Russian Navy’s only remaining marines division, the 55th, based in Vladivostok, has been formally downsized to become the 155th Marines Brigade – but its manpower has actually gone up.

    The 77th Marines Brigade of the Caspian Flotilla has been disbanded (the brigade was created to take part in the counter-terrorism operation in the North Caucasus), but the bulk of it – two marines battalions in Astrakhan and Kaspiysk – have escaped cuts.

    The Baltic Fleet’s Coastal Troops and Ground Forces in Kaliningrad Region have also undergone restructuring. All the skeleton-strength formations have been either disbanded or reorganized. The arms depots have ceased to exist; the weaponry they held has been used to equip the remaining units. As part of the program to create larger garrisons by 2012 the 336th Marines Brigade will be relocated to a new base now being built in Baltiysk.20 The numerical strength of the brigade will increase from the current 2,500 servicemen to 4,000 by 2012.21

    There have been serious changes in the personnel structure of the Navy’s marine and coastal troops. The units previously manned only by professional soldiers serving under contract now use conscripts as privates; only junior officer and sergeant positions are filled with professional soldiers. A case in point is the assault battalion of the Northern Fleet’s marines, which was manned only by professional soldiers. Now conscripts account for 70 per cent of its manpower.22

    Many units have also received some new weapons. Several have taken delivery of new or upgraded BTR-80M and BTR-70M APCs, new trucks, small arms, communication instruments, and 120mm 2S9 Nona-S artillery systems. The MoD has also begun to rearm the Navy’s coastal defense missile and artillery units.23,24

    Naval aviation

    Early on during the reform the naval aviation and support units were reorganized into 13 airbases. Only the 279th Independent Ship-based Fighter Regiment (Su-33 aircraft) has retained its former status. Most of the new airbases were formed through merger within a single chain of command of all the units stationed at the same airfield.

    During the second stage of the reform the airbases of each Fleet were merged into territorially integrated structures (“greater” airbases). To illustrate, all the naval aviation units of the Baltic Fleet have been merged into a single airbase with an HQ at the Chkalovskiy airfield.25 The former airbases now have the status of air groups. All the air defense units of the Baltic Fleet have been merged under the 3rd Aerospace Defense Brigade.

    The MoD has formed a new naval aviation training center in Yeysk on the Azov Sea. The center has incorporated the former 859th Training Center and the 444th Combat Training Center in Ostrov. There are plans to build in Yeysk a analog of an aircraft carrier deck for naval pilots to practice take-offs and landings; the simulator will be similar to the NITKA training range in the Crimea.26

    The initial plan of the reform included the transfer of several naval aviation and air defense units to the Air Force – but so far that has not been implemented. The idea was resurrected in the spring of 2011. It was said that naval missile-carrying long-range aviation units (Tu-22M3 aircraft), as well as naval attack (Su-24) and fighter aviation (Su-27 and MiG-31) units, apart from a single attack aviation unit stationed in the Crimea, will become part of the Air Force by the end of 2011.27 The MoD has even considered the feasibility of transferring the 279th Independent Ship-based Fighter Aviation Regiment to the Russian Air Force.

    One of the top priorities for the naval aviation fleet refresh program is the Black Sea Fleet.28 But due to political reasons (i.e. the need to secure Ukraine’s consent) the implementation of these plans is likely to see long delays.

    The naval aviation fleet refresh program includes the delivery over the coming decade of the first batch of the MiG 29K carrier-based fighters, as well as the Ka-27M, Ka-29M, Ka-31 and Ka-52 helicopters. The MoD has also launched the development of a new carrier-based helicopter, the Ka-65. But the current status of the programs to develop new patrol and submarine hunter aircraft is unclear. Meanwhile, the MoD has stepped up the Navy aircraft repair programs (for the Su-33, MiG-31 and Su-27 fighters and the Su-24M attack aircraft).

    Shipbuilding and ship repairs

    The bulk of the Russian Navy fleet is made of old Soviet ships built in the late 1980s and early 1990s. There is only a handful of ships in service that were built after the fall of the former Soviet Union. The Russian Navy has essentially “skipped” a whole generation of warships.

    The main problem now is to maintain the existing ships, most of which have already been in service for more than half of their allotted lifespan, until the new generation begins to arrive en masse. With timely upgrades and proper maintenance, the existing Soviet-designed ships still have many years of service left in them.

    In late 2010 the government unveiled the new State Armament Program for 2011-2020 (GPV-2020). A very impressive 19 trillion roubles will be spent on buying new weaponry and hardware for the MoD, of which the Navy will account for 4.7 trillion.29 It has been announced that about 100 new warships and submarines of various classes will be built by 2020, including 20 subs, 15 frigates and 35 corvettes.30

    Based on media reports, this is what it known about the program:

    The core of the strategic naval forces will be made of eight new nuclear-powered missile subs Yuriy Dolgorukiy class (Project 955 and its modifications) armed with the Bulava SLBM.31

    Up to 10 Project 855 (Severodvinsk class and modifications) nuclear-powered attack submarines should enter service by 2020.32 They will be the last fourth-generation nuclear-powered submarines to be built for the Russian Navy. The development of the future fifth-generation attack subs has already been announced.33

    Six Project 06363 (Novorossiysk class) diesel-electric submarines will be built for the Black Sea Fleet. The last two Project 677 (St. Petersburg class) subs that have already been laid down will be completed. Once that is done, the Russian shipbuilders will launch production of new non-nuclear subs with AIP power plants (based on Project 677).34

    Two series of frigates will be built; six Project 22350 ships (Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Gorshkov class) to be built at the Severnaya Verf shipyards35, and six modified Project 11356 (Admiral Grigorovich class) frigates to be built at the Yantar shipyards. After that the MoD will probably launch an entirely new class of frigates.

    Twelve Project 20381 and 20385 (Steregushchiy class) corvettes are to be built at the Severnaya Verf shipyards36 or the Amur Shipyards. The MoD is also expected to launch the development of a new corvette series; up to 22 are to be built by 2020.37 The contract is likely to be awarded to the Zelenodolskiy shipyards (which will also complete the Project 11611K Dagestan corvette now being built).

    The MoD is likely to continue building Project 11711 (Admiral Gren class) large tank landing ships. Some kind of decision is also expected on the proposal to build two to four French-designed Mistral class amphibious assault ships; negotiations between Russia and France are still under way.

    The repair and upgrade component of the GPV-2020 includes the refurbishment of the existing Project 1144 nuclear-powered guided missile battlecruisers; the Admiral Nakhimov is the first in line for refurbishment.38 The MoD will also upgrade its fleet of third-generation Project 971, 949A and 945 nuclear-powered submarines.

    One interesting change is that each Fleet will now be assigned an individual shipyard to be in sole charge of that Fleet’s ship repair program. The ships belonging to the Northern Fleet, the Caspian Flotilla and the Novorossiysk Naval Base will be handled by the Zvezdochka Ship Repair Center company.39 The Baltic Fleet’s ships have been assigned to the Yantar Shipyard.40 In addition, there is now a special department within the central MoD that oversees these contracts, whereas previously that was the remit of the Navy’s technical department.

    Conclusion

    The reform of the Russian Navy is still a work in progress. It appears that the early reform plans have undergone a substantial transformation, and new changes are sure to be announced. But given the MoD’s gyrations over the transfer of the Navy HQ from Moscow to St Petersburg and the continuing uncertainty over the handover of naval aviation to the Air Force, it is safe to conclude that the government has no clear unanimous vision of the Navy reform. The reason for that is that the government is still trying to decide what kind of Navy Russia actually needs.

    1 http://www.flot.com/news/navy/?ELEMENT_ID=65995

    2 http://www.otvazhnyy.ru/

    3 http://www.redstar.ru/2011/03/23_03/3_03.html

    4 http://twower.livejournal.com/520535.html

    5 It must be remembered, however, that efficiency is not everything; there are also long-standing Navy traditions that need to be taken into consideration.

    6 murman.rfn.ru/rnews.html?id=849491

    7 http://www.ryadovoy.ru/forum/index.php?action=printpage;topic=1973.0

    8 http://www.mbnews.ru/content/view/22586/

    9 http://www.esosedi.ru/onmap/us_vmf_mo_rf_v_ch_49383/5768796/index.html#lat=55738837&lng=37888337&z=17&v=3&mt=0

    10 http://www.newkaliningrad.ru/news/community/k1194720.html

    11 http://www.proatom.ru/modules.php?name=News&file=article&sid=1959

    12 http://www.navy.ru/news/navy/?ELEMENT_ID=65047

    13 http://nvo.ng.ru/forces/2009-06-26/4_Kronshtadt.html

    14 http://www.navy.ru/news/navy/?ELEMENT_ID=66969

    15 http://www.lenta.ru/news/2011/03/23/atlant/

    16 http://lenta.ru/news/2011/03/25/cruiser/

    17 http://lenta.ru/news/2011/03/01/bastion/

    18 http://www.echo.msk.ru/programs/voensovet/729189-echo/

    19 http://sannews.com.ua/2010/09/drugoj-chernomorskij-flot.html

    20 http://www.redstar.ru/2011/03/22_03/2_02.html

    21 http://www.klops.ru/news/Obschestvo/37376/V-2012-godu-morskie-pexotincy-Baltflota-pereedut-iz-kazarm-v-novye-doma.html

    22 http://www.redstar.ru/2010/11/24_11/5_03.html

    23 http://www.gostorgi.ru/2010/91/2010-10-14/91-46055.xml

    24 http://www.redstar.ru/2010/05/27_05/2_01.html

    25 http://www.redstar.ru/2010/10/13_10/2_02.html

    26 http://www.livekuban.ru/content/news/palubnaja-aviacija-prizemlitsja-v-ejske

    27 http://www.rian.ru/defense_safety/20110323/356933280.html

    28 Black Sea Fleet to receive 18 new ships // Interfax, October 26, 2010

    29 http://www.redstar.ru/2010/12/15_12/1_01.html

    30 http://lenta.ru/news/2011/02/24/ships/

    31 http://www.redstar.ru/2011/03/17_03/1_04.html

    32 http://www.redstar.ru/2011/03/17_03/1_04.html

    33 http://www.arms-tass.su/?page=article&aid=93156&cid=25

    34 http://lenta.ru/news/2011/03/18/submarine/

    35 http://www.spbgid.ru/index.php?news=213130

    36 http://flotprom.ru/news/index.php?ELEMENT_ID=65497

    37 http://shipbuilding.ru/rus/news/russian/2011/03/10/Trosenko_dizain_100311/

    38 http://vpk.name/news/51959_modernizaciya_tyazhelogo_atomnogo_raketnogo_kreisera_admiral_nahimov_poka_ne_nachalas__sevmash.html

    39 http://flotprom.ru/news/?ELEMENT_ID=64393

    40 http://www.shipyard-yantar.ru/docs/G_vpered/2011/06%2811%29.pdf

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    Post  Austin Wed Jun 29, 2011 7:38 pm

    United Shipbuilding Corporation will join the Russian Navy, three frigates of Project 11356

    According to a press conference today in St. Petersburg, the president of USC Roman Trotsenko, on July 12, 2011 the second ship is scheduled bookmark series called "The Admiral Essen.The lead ship of this project, "Admiral Grigorovich," was laid out earlier and is expected to enter the Navy in 2014, the third frigate will be named "Admiral Makarov".

    Each ship has a displacement of this project, 3.6 thousand tons, speed 14 knots, range 4800 miles.

    According Trotsenko, speaking to reporters as part of the 5th International Maritime Defence Show, is being developed by long-term program of development of military shipbuilding surface. Among the future projects - the destroyers with nuclear power plants. The project is scheduled for completion in 2013, Talking to journalists, the president of the corporation informed about the work on designing an aircraft carrier for the Russian Navy, ITAR-TASS.

    Surface ships shipwrights build of "Severnaya Verf" (part of the USC). It will be a series of corvettes type "Guarding" and frigates such as "Admiral Gorshkov".
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:30 am

    Makes sense.

    The more vessels in a carrier group that don't need refuelling the shorter the logistics train.

    A carrier group is only as fast as its slowest vessels too.

    The future Russian fleet will be reduced in size so they can afford to spend a little more on each vessel.
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    Post  ahmedfire Sat Jul 02, 2011 12:56 am


    The piciture is clear now....thnx Garry..

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    i found those future russian designs..it's nice

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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 02, 2011 3:32 am

    Be aware that these designs are the work of a design student and likely not official Russian Navy designs.

    They can't take into account new weapons and sensor development and are idealised.

    Some of them do look cool however... Cool
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    Post  Vladimir79 Sat Jul 02, 2011 7:22 am

    Putting a Kashtan mount on a stealth ship defeats the purpose of it.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 02, 2011 9:10 am

    Putting a Kashtan mount on a stealth ship defeats the purpose of it.

    Yes... and it defeats the purpose twice... because not only is the mount itself not stealthy, but the cm and mm wave radars on it emit energy that can be used to detect and find the ship so it is double unstealthy.

    Most likely on stealthy ships they will either use Duet plus vertical launch missiles like Morfei or they might risk using the new stealthy 57mm gun turret and rely on guided shells and vertical launch SAMs.

    With new LPI AESA radars in cm and mmw frequencies and a new stealthy mount they might be able to make a stealthier Kashtan version... likely with the new 20km range missiles, which they have mentioned in one of the Airfleet mags Austin has posted on this forum before, so the question becomes can they make it stealthy enough or do they need to change to separate stealthy guns and vertical launch missiles of different types.
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    Post  Vladimir79 Fri Jul 08, 2011 11:35 am

    Price of Severodvinsk more than doubled
    08.07.2011 / Izvestiya.ru

    The Commander of the Navy, said that the cost of the submarine "unbelievably overpriced"

    The Commander of the Navy Vladimir Vysotsky, lashed out against the Severodvinsk Machine-Building Enterprise, stating that the firm is "incomprehensible" lifted the price of a new multipurpose nuclear submarine project 855 type "Ash". The ship, named "Severodvinsk", shall be delivered to the fleet later this year.

    - Prices are too high, and prices are too high to comprehend, - said Vladimir Vysotsky.

    At the same time the commander in chief has expressed confidence that the situation with "Severodvinsk" yet resolved in favor of the Navy, which has no plans to abandon the purchase.

    "Severodvinsk" waiting for the navy, with a special look. APL was designed in a marine engineering office "Malachite" in St. Petersburg. On the "Sevmash" it was laid in 1993, but only last year completed. According to experts, such a long construction period was associated not only with the economic problems of the country, but with a fundamentally new features of the project and weapons dismantlement. Boat designer like "Lego" is constantly upgraded directly on the stocks the company, changed its stand on weapons systems and equipment. As a result, to date, the fleet should receive the most modern and technologically advanced submarines.

    Boat Project 855 - direct heir to a very successful series of the third generation of submarines of Project 971 "The pike-B." These ships are now at the core of our multi-purpose attack submarines. Almost inaudible in the deep ocean, they are equally effective against both vehicles and against warships, and are capable of striking with cruise missiles on the coastal infrastructure of the enemy.

    But "Ash" on the low noise exceeds not only the "Pike", but the newest U.S. nuclear submarine "Sea Wolf". In addition, unlike her to be more functional. The boat placed eight launchers, anti-modern supersonic cruise missiles, "Onyx", which have a range exceeding 300 km.

    In addition, the boat is the most advanced anti-submarine weaponry, which makes "Severodvinsk" multi-purpose attack craft capable of high efficiency wide range of tasks in the oceans.

    It was originally planned that the fleet will receive at least 30 such submarines. But now we are talking about six boats of the project. Currently, the Severodvinsk Machine-Building plant began construction of the second ship, Project 885, named "Kazan". When will be established following the boat, is still unknown: the issue of pricing of the final product of the military-industrial complex can stretch on for years this process. According to "Izvestia" of Defence Minister Anatoly Serdyukov, it is unclear of what constitutes a price on the ship, if the parent boat was worth 47 billion rubles, and the next, should be exactly the same - already 112 billion!

    - Of course, the price will increase if the cost of one ship include all costs for others, it does not project-related business services include kindergartens, some infrastructure, etc., - the head of the Defense Ministry. - We are willing to pay, provided that the pricing for this or that product will be transparent. Practice shows that if the "decode" all the articles in the contract, it turns out that the final cost of the finished product can safely deduct up to 30%.

    The issue of pricing for the products of military-industrial complex - one of the most painful in the course of defense contracts. In May, the Ministry of Finance Ministry of Defense tasked the state defense order to cut costs by at least 100 billion rubles, while maintaining the parameters weapons program until 2020. In this vein, and can take criticism, "Sevmash" by the commander of the Navy.

    Source of "Izvestia" on the "Sevmash" noted that the cost of building the boat is directly linked to rising materials, energy and equipment.

    - A range of equipment on a boat comes by monopoly providers, which tend to dictate pricing terms, - he explained, noting that the company is negotiating with suppliers to resolve the situation. - The world shipbuilding practice is accepted that the cost of building the ship below the value of serial cerebral vessel. However, the head of the project boat "Ash" and the second submarine of this project being built at different times, practically in different historical periods, respectively, and the price is formed in different ways.
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    Post  Pervius Fri Jul 08, 2011 8:48 pm

    Well if they took that tool and used it to gain new territory they could justify it's cost.

    Adding a few million new taxpayers to Moscow would pay for it.


    Besides the oil in the Arctic will pay for this. Help China out in getting the little bit of territory it's trying to keep from Vietnam...maybe China help a little in making the next submarine.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Jul 09, 2011 3:35 am

    High tech is expensive.

    If it helps you win where a cheaper sub would lose, or survive where a cheaper sub would be destroyed then that is where you get your moneys worth.

    Using it to invade another country makes no sense because the international backlash and subsequent isolation would be a much greater penalty.

    What Russia should be doing is using the focus on technology to create a better Russia where living standards are raised and it becomes a place where people can go and work hard and earn a comfortable living.

    I would expect a lot of people from Asia... especially China might be interested in changing from a communist country to a capitalist country... the focus needs to be to convert them into real Russians... integrate them into Russian society rather than isolate them and keep them separate.
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    Post  Vladimir79 Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:21 pm

    Defense and USC have not concluded contracts for 40% of all naval defense contracts

    MOSCOW, July 7 - RIA Novosti. Defense and the United Shipbuilding Corporation (USC) is not signed contracts to date, which amount to about 40% of defense contracts for the 2011 naval component, said Thursday RIA Novosti press secretary Alexei Kravchenko USC.

    "For us it is a serious problem is the fact that payment for this year is extremely erratically. As of July 7, with USC, which unites more than 70% of design offices and shipbuilding enterprises of the Russian Federation has signed several major contracts, which amount to about 40% of the total fleet Goza, 2011 "- said Kravchenko.

    He was commenting the statement by Minister of Defense Anatoly Serdyukov that the agency has not yet signed contracts to supply military equipment to a number of companies, including USC, as manufacturers have significantly inflate their prices. In particular, the plant "Sevmash", part of USC, sharply increased the price for the purchase of submarines of projects 955 (such as "Yuri Dolgoruky") and 885 (type "Severodvinsk").

    According to Kravchenko, in discussing the issue of pricing for companies USC must take into account that the total price of the contract value of work, for example, such plant as "Sevmash" is no more than 30%, while the remaining two-thirds - are the prices of various equipment suppliers , weapons and accessories, which are produced by several dozens of enterprises of different ownership.

    "This makes claims of Defense final price is to the integrator, such as" Sevmash "without actually working with businesses, which accounted for the bulk of the cost and yet most of the more expensive the final product. Among the reasons for the increase in prices, in addition to the general inflation rate, can be called and that inflation in the real sector of the industry nationwide is much higher, "- said Kravchenko.
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    Post  Austin Mon Jul 25, 2011 7:21 pm

    IMDS 2011

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    Post  Russian Patriot Thu Sep 15, 2011 2:57 am

    Russian warship ends anti-piracy mission off Somali coast

    RIA Novosti

    16:21 13/09/2011

    MURMANSK, September 13 (RIA Novosti) - A Russian task force from the Northern Fleet led by the destroyer Severomorsk has concluded its anti-piracy mission in the Gulf of Aden and set sail for its home base, the fleet's press service said on Tuesday.

    The task force, which includes a tanker and a rescue tugboat, arrived in the area on June 17 and has successfully escorted eleven convoys consisting of 38 commercial vessels from various countries along the shipping routes in the Gulf of Aden and the Red Sea.

    "The ship [Severomorsk] has escorted its last convoy and is heading to the Mediterranean Sea," the press service said in a statement. "A task force from Russia's Pacific Fleet will soon arrive in the region to continue the mission."

    The Severomorsk will visit the Syrian port of Tartus and the Spanish exclave of Ceuta on the coast of North Africa on the way home. The ship is expected to arrive at the base in Severomorsk in mid-October.

    The Russian Navy has maintained a presence off the Somali coast since October 2008, with warships operating on a rotating basis.

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