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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 30, 2019 11:59 pm



    Nice summary of all the obvious fake studio photos being passed off as from the actual lunar surface. The most intense light
    is always coming from the back of the head of the "astronaut" doing the photography and all the shadows intersect in the field of
    view. Pure BS, since remote light sources like the Sun cast essentially parallel shadows that converge at "infinity".

    Then we have the ludicrous claim by the so-called lunar astronauts that they never saw any stars. That is a pure lie since
    there is no atmospheric or dust backscatter of light from the lunar surface that would create such an effect. There is no
    freaking way that stars would not be visible and instead a pure black wall would be. Any talk about the Sun's rays affecting
    the optics is BS too since it is possible to take the shots from the shadow part of the lander and by even using a hand to
    shield the lens. The key detail is that there is no photon flux being scattered into the camera lens from the direction it
    is being pointed to. Again, if morons chime in and claim that the surface scatter can do this obscuring, then I say BS. Point
    the camera upward and get the ground scatter out of the FOV.

    These clowns routinely pulled back the gold-colored filter in their helmets and exposed their faces and eyes to full bore surface scatter
    of sunshine. Look at the numerous photos they supposedly took themselves "on" the Moon. This is patent nonsense since
    they would have experienced a severe case of snow blindness after a short period of time. Maybe that is why they saw no stars.
    But they never claim this, so I am not going to project such an excuse at them. Their behaviour was typical studio acting and
    not real extra-terrestrial travel.

    Then we have the total lack of any ablation pattern from the powerful lander rocket at the base of the lander. It is physically
    impossible for the dust not to show a radial ablation pattern. It is clear that there is plenty of dust there and not bare rock.

    To believe this Moon landing hoax requires religious faith and not scientific empiricism. Details are not "mere" they can be show
    stoppers.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 31, 2019 12:43 am

    People who denie the moon landing are morons.

    People attack people with opposing views when they have nothing to defend their own position with...

    You cant fake it. You see the stuff still standing on the ground.

    Of course you can fake videos and photos... Hollywood earns a good living doing that and has done for quite some time.

    They placed mirrors on the surface that we use for laser meassurement. They brought samples.

    The best and most useful mirrors on the moon are Soviet. They had a lunar rover up there too, and the Soviets also brought back samples of moon rock... are you saying they landed people on the moon too?

    The entire developed world followed this missions. You could easily follow it. USSR acknowledged it as well. France acknowledged it. Germany, acknowledged it. UK as well.

    Maybe the Soviets were sick of wasting money trying to get people to the moon... a largely pointless and wholly political exercise in money wasting.

    But its senseless to discuss with such people. Laugh about those clowns and move forward

    The west does not care about the truth.... the truth for the west is what they say at the time... when Saddam was gassing Kurds in the mid 1980s the west initially blamed the Iranians for doing it... and then they admitted that Saddam did it but didn't care. It was only after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwaite that he became the monster that gassed his own people... but they aren't he people... that is why he gassed them... they were separatists and still are today.

    Kicking Iraqi forces out of Kuwaite was about bringing democracy to the middle east... men in Kuwaite got the vote in about 2006 and women still can't vote there... or drive a car on their own... There is more democracy in Iran, which the US wants to destroy than in any other country in the region.
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    Post  Aristide Tue Dec 31, 2019 10:18 am

    GarryB wrote:
    People who denie the moon landing are morons.

    People attack people with opposing views when they have nothing to defend their own position with...

    You cant fake it. You see the stuff still standing on the ground.

    Of course you can fake videos and photos... Hollywood earns a good living doing that and has done for quite some time.

    They placed mirrors on the surface that we use for laser meassurement. They brought samples.

    The best and most useful mirrors on the moon are Soviet. They had a lunar rover up there too, and the Soviets also brought back samples of moon rock... are you saying they landed people on the moon too?

    The entire developed world followed this missions. You could easily follow it. USSR acknowledged it as well. France acknowledged it. Germany, acknowledged it. UK as well.

    Maybe the Soviets were sick of wasting money trying to get people to the moon... a largely pointless and wholly political exercise in money wasting.

    But its senseless to discuss with such people. Laugh about those clowns and move forward

    The west does not care about the truth.... the truth for the west is what they say at the time... when Saddam was gassing Kurds in the mid 1980s the west initially blamed the Iranians for doing it... and then they admitted that Saddam did it but didn't care. It was only after the Iraqi invasion of Kuwaite that he became the monster that gassed his own people... but they aren't he people... that is why he gassed them... they were separatists and still are today.

    Kicking Iraqi forces out of Kuwaite was about bringing democracy to the middle east... men in Kuwaite got the vote in about 2006 and women still can't vote there... or drive a car on their own... There is more democracy in Iran, which the US wants to destroy than in any other country in the region.

    Gary, you showed that you have no clue about meteorites and you know exactly how i debate such issues with a person who doesnt know much. I dont explain. I give an arrogant smile and walk over you.

    USSR brought back a few gramm of moon samples. USA brought back hundreds of kg.

    Dont know what Saddam has to do with the moon landing Gary. Your thoughts are sometimes kinda erratic.

    But to bring this on a positive side. I think the moon makes a perfect base for further solar colonialisation. We should focus on a lunar base.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 31, 2019 11:20 pm


    Gary, you showed that you have no clue about meteorites and you know exactly how i debate such issues with a person who doesnt know much. I dont explain. I give an arrogant smile and walk over you.

    Don't you mean hop?

    USSR brought back a few gramm of moon samples. USA brought back hundreds of kg.

    Says who? Did you weigh it yourself?

    Dont know what Saddam has to do with the moon landing Gary. Your thoughts are sometimes kinda erratic.

    Evidence they can't be trusted and there is no truth, no friends, no allies except of convenience... there are only interests.

    Landing humans on the moon was meaningless except for pride, but their lies corrupt everything... looking forward to hearing what sanctions the US imposes on Russia for this now.

    But to bring this on a positive side. I think the moon makes a perfect base for further solar colonialisation. We should focus on a lunar base.

    Not unless there is water there... otherwise the far side would be interesting for space observation without interference from earth based sources, but it is in a hole.

    The reduced gravity means construction is easier than in zero gravity in orbit but without an atmosphere it has a double penalty in terms of fuel burn... you burn fuel to land and to take off, and anything you build there needs to have all its components sent there from earth so ultimately there is no obvious benefit.

    An orbital station around the moon would be clear of the debris in earth orbit, but zero gravity assembly is a problem...
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    Post  Aristide Wed Jan 01, 2020 5:05 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    Gary, you showed that you have no clue about meteorites and you know exactly how i debate such issues with a person who doesnt know much. I dont explain. I give an arrogant smile and walk over you.

    Don't you mean hop?

    USSR brought back a few gramm of moon samples. USA brought back hundreds of kg.

    Says who? Did you weigh it yourself?

    Dont know what Saddam has to do with the moon landing Gary. Your thoughts are sometimes kinda erratic.

    Evidence they can't be trusted and there is no truth, no friends, no allies except of convenience... there are only interests.

    Landing humans on the moon was meaningless except for pride, but their lies corrupt everything... looking forward to hearing what sanctions the US imposes on Russia for this now.

    But to bring this on a positive side. I think the moon makes a perfect base for further solar colonialisation. We should focus on a lunar base.

    Not unless there is water there... otherwise the far side would be interesting for space observation without interference from earth based sources, but it is in a hole.

    The reduced gravity means construction is easier than in zero gravity in orbit but without an atmosphere it has a double penalty in terms of fuel burn... you burn fuel to land and to take off, and anything you build there needs to have all its components sent there from earth so ultimately there is no obvious benefit.

    An orbital station around the moon would be clear of the debris in earth orbit, but zero gravity assembly is a problem...

    USA gave all allied nations samples ad also USSR got one. The one France got is over 1 Kg. Which means that one sample aloe is twice as much as what USSR brought back.

    The material brought back from the moon by the americans is several hundred kg.

    As for the moon, there is alot of water inside craters where sun doesnt reach the ice.

    The benefits of a lunar base are, that all rescources are there and must not be brought. Also you are protected by the cosmic radiation when the base is located inside a crater or lava tube.

    We currently develop a 2d-printer in France united with Germany that makes walls from the lunar soil. It manags 2m² each hour.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Jan 02, 2020 12:15 am

    USA gave all allied nations samples ad also USSR got one. The one France got is over 1 Kg. Which means that one sample aloe is twice as much as what USSR brought back.

    They sent a lot more missions there pretending to be carrying people there and back... and how much did the USSR bring back do you think?

    As for the moon, there is alot of water inside craters where sun doesnt reach the ice.

    Which would be a few craters near the poles... but the Americans landed people on the moon.. surely they could have seen this ice?

    The benefits of a lunar base are, that all rescources are there and must not be brought. Also you are protected by the cosmic radiation when the base is located inside a crater or lava tube.

    The problems of a lunar base is that you have to build it... which means lots of missions to take equipment and materials there so you can build it... would be cheaper to not land it on the surface and just put it in orbit around the moon. Water could be used as an outer shell to store it for use as rocket fuel and also to reduce radiation inside the space station.

    We currently develop a 2d-printer in France united with Germany that makes walls from the lunar soil. It manags 2m² each hour.

    Wouldn't be much good if it was a 2d printer... and the Russians already have 3d printers that can make houses, they had one in Dubai at a show... wasn't mentioned that it was Russian technology of course, but that changes nothing.
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    Post  kvs Thu Jan 02, 2020 7:42 pm



    Hilariously obvious fakes of supposed moon rover trips to different locations. The exact same freaking foreground debris field with the exact same shadows.
    The camera was in the same freaking spot even though the narrator is going on about two different locations.

    And so on, ad nauseam.

    There are only two choices that conform to physical reality:

    1) Moon landings did take place, but none of them were filmed and photographed. This is not so unlikely since they did not have digital cameras during these
    trips. Thus, the standard film they used would have been rendered useless by background radiation. Since they are clearly not on the dark side of the moon but
    near the terminator, they are getting exposed to the solar wind (protons, electrons, X-rays and some gamma-rays) and the film would be exposed inside the
    camera (of any type) by the radiation flux that is able to penetrate the relatively thin metal and plastic walls of the camera. This would render all the potential
    PR value of the Moon landings low so some political decision was made to improvise.

    2) No Moon landings ever took place. Again, this is not so wild since there is enough evidence that the Saturn V rockets were not reaching the necessary speeds
    at various altitudes to enable lunar intersection trajectories. More solid evidence is that the astronauts who were in low g conditions for over a week and up to two
    weeks came back to Earth and jumped out of the crew module as if they had no muscle atrophy or coordination problems. This is complete BS since I dare you to try
    to sit in your chair for a week and then run around like nothing happened. Muscle atrophy starts from the first second since that is how biology works, if you don't
    use it, you lose it. It is routine for athletes to note that they lose their form very fast. So months of training disappear in about a month. The metabolism works
    independently of our desires.



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    Post  Aristide Fri Jan 03, 2020 6:54 am

    kvs wrote:

    Hilariously obvious fakes of supposed moon rover trips to different locations.    The exact same freaking foreground debris field with the exact same shadows.
    The camera was in the same freaking spot even though the narrator is going on about two different locations.

    And so on, ad nauseam.

    There are only two choices that conform to physical reality:

    1) Moon landings did take place, but none of them were filmed and photographed.   This is not so unlikely since they did not have digital cameras during these
    trips.  Thus, the standard film they used would have been rendered useless by background radiation.   Since they are clearly not on the dark side of the moon but
    near the terminator, they are getting exposed to the solar wind (protons, electrons, X-rays and some gamma-rays) and the film would be exposed inside the
    camera (of any type) by the radiation flux that is able to penetrate the relatively thin metal and plastic walls of the camera.    This would render all the potential
    PR value of the Moon landings low so some political decision was made to improvise.

    2) No Moon landings ever took place.   Again, this is not so wild since there is enough evidence that the Saturn V rockets were not reaching the necessary speeds
    at various altitudes to enable lunar intersection trajectories.   More solid evidence is that the astronauts who were in low g conditions for over a week and up to two
    weeks came back to Earth and jumped out of the crew module as if they had no muscle atrophy or coordination problems.  This is complete BS since I dare you to try
    to sit in your chair for a week and then run around like nothing happened.   Muscle atrophy starts from the first second since that is how biology works, if you don't
    use it, you lose it.   It is routine for athletes to note that they lose their form very fast.   So months of training disappear in about a month.   The metabolism works
    independently of our desires.





    You should mark your post as satire.

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    Post  kvs Sat Jan 11, 2020 7:11 pm



    An interview where the condition of the Soyuz-9 crew after 18 days in orbit is described. It took the two cosmonauts
    a week to get back up on their feet. When they came down, they were in extreme distress since orbital atrophy of muscles
    (including the heart) and other tissues was followed by the extreme loading of descent back to Earth. In other words,
    they were substantially traumatized by their return to Earth after about 2.5 weeks in space.

    Contrast this to the prancing US astronauts who supposedly returned to Earth after two weeks. Even if they were on
    the Moon, they spent most of their time in 0 g. On the Moon it is 1/6 g. They lost less muscle mass than the Soviet
    cosmonauts but they were not that far behind. There is no freaking way that the US astronauts would be walking
    immediately on landing after their two week trip to space. Anyone who fobs this detail off is full of sh*t and not engaged
    in a serious analysis. Fanboi dick stroking is not a sign of intelligence. Go cherry pick your facts at the Church of US Moon Landings....
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    Post  Aristide Sat Jan 11, 2020 10:05 pm

    kvs wrote:

    An interview where the condition of the Soyuz-9 crew after 18 days in orbit is described.   It took the two cosmonauts
    a week to get back up on their feet.   When they came down, they were in extreme distress since orbital atrophy of muscles
    (including the heart) and other tissues was followed by the extreme loading of descent back to Earth.   In other words,
    they were substantially traumatized by their return to Earth after about 2.5 weeks in space.  

    Contrast this to the prancing US astronauts who supposedly returned to Earth after two weeks.    Even if they were on
    the Moon, they spent most of their time in 0 g.   On the Moon it is 1/6 g.   They lost less muscle mass than the Soviet
    cosmonauts but they were not that far behind.   There is no freaking way that the US astronauts would be walking
    immediately on landing after their two week trip to space.   Anyone who fobs this detail off is full of sh*t and not engaged
    in a serious analysis.  Fanboi dick stroking is not a sign of intelligence.   Go cherry pick your facts at the Church of US Moon Landings....

    Even more satire from you Very Happy

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 12, 2020 3:13 am

    When the first American astronauts went up on Mir they were told about the effects of long term periods in zero gravity and those astronauts said themselves at the time they thought that with American exercises and American food and health suppliments that when they landed they would take off their own straps and get up and walk around to show these ruskies and put them in their places.

    Well... after three months in orbit landing back to earth... the American astronaut said he went to reach for his strap but could not lift his arm... after eating the right foods and getting all the vitamins and minerals and plenty of exercise every day on Mir he was as weak as they said he would be because they have healthy food and food suppliments and exercises too, but when there is no gravity pushing down on you 24/7 that your body has to resist it starts to redesign your body... it starts taking calcium away from your bones because you don't need them to be nearly as strong in zero gravity...

    the only experience the americans had had of long term exposure to low gravity was a week in space on the shuttle... the trips to the moon only lasted a week or so... they had never been in orbit for 3 months at a time before.... if they had tried to fly to Mars without going to Mir or ISS then their people would have died... landing on Mars would have broken bones weakened in the year it would have taken to get there... and there would be no one to help them get better... feed them, clean them and they would probably have died on the surface...

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    Post  starman Sun Jan 12, 2020 10:45 am

    kvs wrote:
    Contrast this to the prancing US astronauts who supposedly returned to Earth after two weeks.    

    The Apollo 11 astronauts blasted off on July 16, 1969 and were back eight days later.

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    Post  kvs Fri Mar 20, 2020 1:16 am



    Oh my. Physics is definitely not the side of the self-anointed exceptional yanquis.

    Surface friction depends on the force normal to the ground/surface. So on the Moon, all friction is reduced by a factor of six.
    This is not small potatoes since on Earth such a factor is the difference between sliding on ice and having good contact with pavement.

    Before some genius knee-jerks a dismissal, none of the US alleged astronauts and the Moon buggy ever dug their feet or wheels deep
    enough into the Lunar soil to engage other modes of contact. The Moon buggy wheels would be spinning like mad on the Moon instead
    of producing motion identical to the surface of the Earth.

    The video of the rover hard breaking is a total fraud. Under identical conditions a 3 meter breaking distance on Earth is 12 meters on
    the Moon. No such sharp breaking is possible without using some other means such as surface impellers. The rear wheel dust throw
    in the video is pure nonsense as well. For such dramatic disturbance the dust would have been launched above the shoulder of the
    driver and would have followed a parabola 6 times longer. You see such dust throw on Earth which scales roughly as the diameter
    of the wheel. On the Moon it would travel 6 wheel diameters.




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    Post  kvs Mon Mar 23, 2020 7:07 pm



    The lunar rover video destroys itself:

    1) the shape of the dust plumes proves the existence of ambient air since their shape is nowhere near parabolic and is characteristic
    of the air dragging seen on Earth. There is compaction of the plumes at the leading edge and heavier particles fallout almost vertically.

    2) the presence of air is confirmed also by the sustained lofting of fine mode dust particles. In a vacuum no such effect is possible
    since all particles, regardless of their size are in free gravitational fall subject to their initial launch velocity. Fine mode dust and
    aerosol sediments much more slowly than larger particles. For the same density, a particle that is twice in diameter (assuming a
    roughly spherical shape) has 6 times the mass but only 4 times the surface area. The fall of a particle through air (or any other fluid)
    depends on its surface area (or cross sectional area). Aerosols below 1 micron in diameter can be transported over vast distances in
    the Earth's atmosphere since sedimentation in very slow. In fact, it is negligible for sub 100 nm particles and they start to behave more
    like a gas.

    3) it is clear from the video using a frame by frame analysis of the dust fall around the wheels that it is much faster than possible on the Moon.

    4) That sometimes the dust is lofted above 2 meters does not prove it is on the Moon. It depends on the wheel bounce and clearly there
    is a large spread in max height of the dust ejected.

    There is an attempt to manipulate the speed of the video as well and the two NASA videos analyzed do not have the same speed.


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    Post  Vann7 Sat Apr 11, 2020 10:46 pm

    Aristide wrote:People who denie the moon landing are morons.

    You cant fake it. You see the stuff still standing on the ground.

    They placed mirrors on the surface that we use for laser meassurement. They brought samples.

    The entire developed world followed this missions. You could easily follow it. USSR acknowledged it as well. France acknowledged it. Germany, acknowledged it. UK as well.

    But its senseless to discuss with such people. Laugh about those clowns and move forward


    The head of Russia Space Agency ...Roscosmos , Dmitry Rogozin
    deny it..  and he have a bit more information than you.. he have access to Russian space archives
    and Russian intelligence.. so is not uninformed people on internet  ,who claim NASA faked it..

    i actually a French Astronaut.. also exposed the moon landing fraud..
    but he did it in a less direct way.. he told in a conference..  NASA was corrupt..
    but he did not explained why...   this is not false information but facts..
    i can find you the video.. but already posted it before..

    so the question is.. . in what ways NASA can be corrupt ?

    1)one way is with money management.. this is the most common form of corruption.. in business.
    2)the second way is with fake images and fake story of the moon landing..

    so the a french astronaut testimony on a conference , give it a 50% possibility
    that he was speaking of NASA fraud on the moon.. and not about money management..
    since thats not his expertise... engineers astronauts.. expertise is science and engineering..
    so the possibilities he was meaning ,fraud in NASA claims and achievements in space are very high.
    He also is on record that NASA no longer can go to the moon..   Cool
    since im tired ,someone look for those videos posted by me before.. NASA today says "forgot" how
    to deal with the radiation of the moon ,when they supposed mastered this ,on the Apollo program.  

    RT media ..have been reviving at every time ,the controversy of the moon landing too..
    one putin aided.. became famous ,on media ,when he proposing a lawsuit against NASA for Fraud ,
    with the moon rocks..  he told.. no.. i don't doubt the original story.. don't think that for a second.. Suspect
    his problem was he wanted an invenstigation of where the moon rocks ,went ? that nasa secrecy with the moon rocks was alarming.. and he demanded an investigation , of where they are and confirm the accuracy of their origin. in other words.. he was creating doubts about NASA moon landing.


    Russia Says It Will 'Verify' Whether The US Moon Landings Ever Really Happened

    https://www.sciencealert.com/russia-says-it-will-verify-whether-the-moon-landings-ever-really-happened


    So right there the head of Russia space program.. questioning the moon landing... instead of saying
    as american says.. {yes they did it.. and stop questioning this..}  he feed the doubts over it.. lol1

    so let me summarize what are the 3 biggest lies..
    top 3 lies ever told.. in past century in the world..
    1) first biggest lie...NASA manned moon landing.. in their apollo program.. a  monumental fake..
    2) second ...........  World trade center 9/11 jihadist attacks..  totally fake ,staged incident .
    3) third .............. Today world covid-19 pandemic event.. not a seasonal chinese virus..
    but a US bioattack on China and nations cooperating with china ,to destroy its economy..
    and attack that failed..because china recovered very fast.. and so they inflating now their numbers
    and staging a crisis in america , to hide their hands in the attack on china.. by showing the virus also
    attacking heavily them.
    -mars rover program..also fake..  major research i saw.. very convicing.. says the mars shot are in north east canada and iceland.. there is a military no go zone,, that nasa film all their fake mars shots there .. with rovers they claim are in mars. but filmed on earth.. this is why mars looks so earth like. is on earth the shots.. Laughing
    -NATO war against terrorism.   100% fake.... what they are doing is arming terrorist ,and use them as weapons to fight enemies.. as Russia ,syria and iran are..
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    Post  kvs Wed May 06, 2020 11:58 pm



    More fakery during the alleged Apollo 11 Moon landing mission. The explanation given in this video as to the alleged
    remote image of the Earth is right on. There are not identifiable continental features. And no cloud formation would
    form the three vertical bands around some fake vertical median. If it really was an image of the Earth from beyond the
    Van Allen belts, then the cloud bands would not be vertically aligned but horizontal since the module is traveling in the
    Moon's orbital plan. The Moon does not have an orbit which is perpendicular to the Earth's equator. Aside from the
    Earth being relatively tilted in its rotation the Lunar orbit is basically around the equatorial band. So the fakery of
    of the image is clear. It would require the Moon to be orbiting over the Earth's poles.

    There are cloud bands in the tropics and subtropics. The primary one is the so called ITCZ (inter-tropical convergence
    zone) which is located where the Hadley circulation is producing vertical uplift and driving cloud formation. Then there
    are more chaotic bands in the subtropics closer to middle latitudes where one can see the roughly zonal wave number six
    baroclinic eddies.

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    These are images taken by GOES geostationary satellites and are real remote images of the Earth compared to the Apollo-11
    fakes.

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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 21, 2020 5:13 pm



    China just completed a mission to the Moon that involved the return of several kilograms of lunar regolith (soil). And
    the yanquis are demanding a share. The USA claims that it collected 380 kg of regolith during its six Apollo missions.
    Why does it need anything from China?

    Supposedly the USA dished out all of its regolith reserve to various academic and other research institutions. This is BS
    since nowhere near all that requested it actually got it. The USA loaned 2 grams of regolith to the USSR and 1 gram
    to China with the stipulation to return the samples with zero loss of mass. The USA also claimed to have stored
    substantial amounts of the regolith it claims to have gathered for future analysis with better technology. So where are those
    stores now?

    There is a dearth of published research in the west on the lunar regolith. Ostashko cites one publication which just repeats
    the analysis and findings of the Soviet scientists. That is, there is nothing new in this research article. Another example,
    was the case of Academic Bogatikov who reported on the finding of a pure iron layer in the regolith at a western conference.
    A US attendee confronted Bogatikov claiming that the USA found no such layer. Several weeks later the USA claimed to have
    found the pure iron layer. The pattern repeats with Soviet researches finding new types of minerals and compositional
    differences from Earth regoliths and the Americans parrot the findings later. For anyone who does not catch the significance,
    the analysis could have been done just as fast or even faster by American researchers. And there could not be any sort
    of leader-follower discovery pattern if the Americans actually had real samples.

    To this day America is "storing" huge amounts of lunar regolith for future analysis. Even though more advanced instruments
    are available for studying the material. Soviet scientists had 324 grams to work with and produced published research.
    Americans could at any time take a few grams from their precious "stores" to do analysis and do not need to harass China
    for samples. No, this is not a case of scientific curiosity. If they cared so much, they could have participated in the
    Chinese mission.







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    Post  kvs Mon Dec 28, 2020 6:53 pm



    China told NASA to take a hike in response to the demand to have a part of the lunar regolith samples China recently
    brought to Earth from the Moon. It turns out that US decider-chimps made it illegal for the US to collaborate
    with China in space exploration in 2011.

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    Post  GarryB Mon Dec 28, 2020 11:03 pm

    Hahahahaha... that was never going to bite them in the ass.... hahaha
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    Post  andalusia Thu Feb 25, 2021 7:10 am

    kvs wrote:

    More fakery during the alleged Apollo 11 Moon landing mission.   The explanation given in this video as to the alleged
    remote image of the Earth is right on.   There are not identifiable continental features.   And no cloud formation would
    form the three vertical bands around some fake vertical median.     If it really was an image of the Earth from beyond the
    Van Allen belts, then the cloud bands would not be vertically aligned but horizontal since the module is traveling in the
    Moon's orbital plan.    The Moon does not have an orbit which is perpendicular to the Earth's equator.   Aside from the
    Earth being relatively tilted in its rotation the Lunar orbit is basically around the equatorial band.   So the fakery of
    of the image is clear.   It would require the Moon to be orbiting over the Earth's poles.

    There are cloud bands in the tropics and subtropics.   The primary one is the so called ITCZ (inter-tropical convergence
    zone) which is located where the Hadley circulation is producing vertical uplift and driving cloud formation.   Then there
    are more chaotic bands in the subtropics closer to middle latitudes where one can see the roughly zonal wave number six
    baroclinic eddies.  

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    These are images taken by GOES geostationary satellites and are real remote images of the Earth compared to the Apollo-11
    fakes.



    I was on another forum and this Pro moon landing person made this statement in refuting another forum member who believes the moon landing was faked. I would like people's thoughts on his statement:



    "You sir, do not understand that the van Allen belt is composed of charged particles trapped by earth's magnetic field. Charged particles stick to metallic objects like spacecraft. The van Allen belt is also rather shallow, which massively reduces exposure time for the crew. Solar radiation is a bigger problem for manned missions, but that boils down to flux density and exposure time. Landing men on Mars is going to be tricky.

    Alpha particles (stripped helium nuclei) do not penetrate human skin. Even beta particles (electrons) will not penetrate the epidermis. So much for your "RADIATION." They also combine, so He+2 + 2 e- --> He; neutral Helium. Helium is an inert gas and those resulting atoms just float away off the surface of the spacecraft.

    You could work out the X-ray (nasty high-energy photons) part of the spectrum by solving for the quantum mechanics "black body" solution given the surface temperature of the sun. The spectrum is basically temperature-dependent."



    I want to know is this statement true? I'm not a physics expert so this is why I'm asking.
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    Post  kvs Thu Feb 25, 2021 8:51 am

    It depends on the kinetic energy of the ionized particle. Anyone running around claiming that alpha particles do not penetrate the
    skin is implicitly assuming they have very little kinetic energy. You can bet your last penny that galactic cosmic ray (GCR) helium
    nuclei with tens and hundreds of giga-electron-volt (GeV) kinetic energies will be penetrate your skin. Coronal mass
    ejection events (CMEs) produce protons (Hydrogen nuclei) with tens to hundreds of GeV. These can penetrate your skin rather well.
    CMEs are also associated with very high X-ray fluxes. So the Apollo astronauts were lucky and their trip time was short enough
    to reduce their risk. Going to Mars on a one way six month trip substantially increases the risk of CME exposure.

    There are empirical range-energy relations for different materials. A ten mega-electron-volt (MeV) electron can penetrate
    through several cm of solid aluminum. The Van Allen belts have plenty of MeV and higher electron flux due to complex preocesses
    which include reconnection dynamics. The solar wind distorts the Earth's magnetic field giving it a long tail. Electrons that are captured
    in this field undergo acceleration to relativistic speeds. (They have a hall of mirrors between the Earth's field near the magnetic poles
    and the end of the magnetotail, this hall of mirrors bleeds a certain fraction of the trapped electrons into the auroral zone but
    with deeper penetration into the atmosphere compared to the usual aurora which has roughly 100 keV electron precipitation).

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Magnetic_reconnection

    https://www.nature.com/articles/nphys655

    So a 1/4 inch thick aluminum hull of the Apollo modules would not stop several MeV range electron flux. The astronauts were being
    exposed to the equivalent of beta radiation since beta radiation is just electrons from radioactive decay emitted with rather
    higher kinetic energy. Alpha radiation does not produce high kinetic energy particles. So it is true that they do not penetrate
    the skin. The claim that beta radiation does not penetrate the epidermis is a lie and we are not talking about radiation from
    radioactive decay but accelerated free electrons. The obvious tell of a con artist is the twisting of facts.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beta_particle

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    Hardly weak energy beta decay products.

    https://journals.aps.org/rmp/abstract/10.1103/RevModPhys.24.28

    Here is a paper for proton range-energy relations in different substances:

    https://core.ac.uk/download/pdf/93518458.pdf

    Even if the astronauts do not get fully penetrated by high energy particles, they are can still die from melanoma. So
    the smug dismissal of the risk is partisan BS.




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    Post  Vann7 Mon Apr 05, 2021 10:21 am

    In science and engineering , but more specially in engineering , there is a principle that never
    changes , and that is you work with what you know first and start steps by steps improving it.
    After the first rocket propulsion plane was invented , every other plane that came after it , were evolutionary steps from the first one. The reason is simple , is better and far far cheaper and far far safer to work with the things you know , than to adventure into completely new exoteric designs .
    This is true for civilians industries . This save a lot of time in maintainance ,trainning and repairs too.

    This principle have always existed in engineering always , in the entire world , brand new things ,new inventions are never replaced as soon you manage to make them work through trial and error.

    the vast overwhelming majority of civilians cars today ,are gasoline engines ,still have the same basic concept of the original ones ,developed many decades ago and after they master car production ,they improve things using that working car model as reference , improve the engines , improve the brakes , improve the electric wiring ,improve the gasoline efficiency and improve the environment pollution .reduce the weight ,so is more efficient and improve the production and materials to reduce the cost.

    this is the same for planes , for housing , for roads , you always keep things simple ,when budget is tight and safety is very important.

    This principle of work with what works , and not radically change a new invention ,was first broken
    by NASA with the invention of the space shuttle. There is no way , no way , anyone can convince me , in any way ,shape or form ,that NASA decomissioned the saturn rocket ,after beign so successful ,as they claimed that made it easy for them ,to travel to the moon back and fort , for near a dozen of times .  and do  it in the first try. Shocked

    So the west according to NASA story ,they mastered the moon landing ,sent many manned missions to the moon back and fort ,without problems for a decade or more, played golf in the moon, and then suddenly got bored with the moon and decided , hey let put this saturn rocket in a museum forever and focus in low earth orbit now ,and  try something totally radically different ,never done before.
    Lets build now a space shuttle and stay in low earth orbit .   Suspect   No

    This simply did not happen , this is not logical ,they will abandon so successful rocket ,that supposedly landed in the moon many times with humans , and totally decommission it and try
    something completely new and start from zero again with a space shuttle ?  No

    this are pure lies . this did not happen , you never get bored in leading in space , this is very prestigious for any nation ,to have leadership in space ,and what will have been natural thing to do ,
    is exactly what Russia did.. they keep working with their same space rocket Soyuz that after so many trials and errors they did it ,and mastered sending probes to moon and even venus. and keep improving it , they did not drop it in a museum like NASA did with saturn rocket..  they still today ,50 years later use the basic design ,of the rocket soviet union designed in the 60's. It is thanks to this principle of keeping things simple and work with what works , what have allowed Russia to avoid
    human casualties. but nasa did something totally different ,totally crazy ,unknow to science ,that is drop what works their saturn rocket , that supposedly was very successful in 70s and 80s ,and start again from zero ,with a new radically new design that was far far away more expensive than saturn rocket ,far more complicate to maintain ,repair and assembly and that began to kill astronauts time after time.  and another thing that is unthinkable ,that Americans did ,is that they byte their pride
    and ask Russia help to send their astronauts to the ISS , helping their openly declared enemies Russia ,to earn some influence in the world.

    So based on this facts alone ,that NASA controversial decision to start the space shuttle program ,and abandon a working project. they not even sold it to their british allies , or to japan. then decomission  saturn ,that all they had to do is improve it , if they got a near close fatal accident with apollo13 .
    based on this non sense , is enough proof for me ,that NASA played everyone with a fake moon landing ,and that the only reason they decomission their saturn rocket and apollo program, is because it was fake as hell , and never left the earth orbit , and that they simply made studio videos
    to fool everyone , some say moon landing was filmed by stanley kubrish , others say it was disney studios ,that they actually had a moon replica at a very small scale ,that they could use to simulate
    the orbiter and landers ,landing in the moon ,using movie tricks of the time.

    it was a hoax , and no less that 2 putin closes aides , one of them now the director of russia space program ,questioned NASA story of landing inthe moon.  Smile

    There is no way NASA sent humans to the moon.. had they done that..
    this is what they will have done next.

    1)continue using their saturn/apollo program , just like russia is doing in soyuz, and improve it ,more and more , to make it better and safer .
    2)if they very successful , start colonization of the moon and build a base there , this will have been
    an astronomical public relations event for NASA to have a base in the moon.it will ahve been worth of every cent ,spend ,because the entire world ,scientist and engineers will move to america to be part
    of the most advanced nation in the world.
    3)and with more success ,they will have started space tourism , and give tours to the moon to the billionaires.

    in short , is non sense ,that nasa got bored with the moon and now 50 years later ,they have interest
    again . lol1   this is flying pigs story ,it never happened. the obvious thing that happened ,is
    that nasa lied the world with their moon landing ,it was a fake movie ,and could not continue faking it , and when switched to their space shuttle ,their fakes could not be hold longer with the tons of accidents they had.

    russia did abandoned their buran  space shuttle , but it was only build to proof ,russia can do it too ,took them a decade later to do one . but russia continues today and will continue for decades using soyuz  ,because of the principle.. if it works. it works and is more cheaper to stay with something
    you know and understand and have everyone trained to build it and if more money shows , they will try a new design ,for bigger projects..  but to decomission soyuz ,when is super safe and they can build it with close eyes , is non sense. but yet americans did it.. at least they claim. but is fake stories. Nasa space shuttle program, was a failure of epic proportions nd they gave up after two different teams space shuttles.

    if you study the details , it only reinforce how fake the entire project was . this is why russia needs
    to hurry up and land in the moon ,and win the space race ,that is not over yet .the west will have serious problem to explain where they landed in the moon ,if russia visit it first with humans ,the nasa landing sites.

    you never send humans first to the moon , without sending first animals , and testing the lander too.
    we are to believe neale armstrong was forced to manually control a lander with his bare hands ,when landing in the moon ,what could go wrong? the epic scale of the disaster ,that could be ,if he lands in the wrong angle , or that one engine fails , will have not only killed them ,but transform nasa on the biggest joke on the world ,and people will be remembering their failure or much worse will have been if nasa lose their astronauts in space ,forever lost.. lol1 that will be horrible to just think about that , that everyone with telescope will be trying to locate the death americans in space..
    simply engineering does not work that way , before humans are asked to do something very dangerous ,that a million things can go wrong as landing in the moon with humans , you need to practice it several times first. you don't send humans first without sending probes or robots to test that first , but nasa claims they did it in the first try to the moon.. is non sense. Russia was first in the moon with probes , and never send humans ,because it was very huge risk , many things could go wrong and you need first to test , to practice , common sense will not send humans to a very dangerous mission ,something never tested before ,and risk losing 3-4 lives for nothing. The backlash
    of the death of astronauts will produce the opposite of what they intended ,that it was to proof that the west was leaders in space and leaders in the world.



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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 06, 2021 9:03 am

    If America wants to be believed they need to go back to truth and justice being the American way... instead of lies and revenge.

    The fact is they don't care about the truth... about themselves or anyone else... and would rather be able to make up excuses to invade or attack countries.

    Stop openly bold faced lying about things and we would have more reason to believe... but right now we believe the worst of you... you evil bastards.

    Not just governments... religions cover up all sorts of bad stuff, the film and tv and music industry hides people who should be in jail...

    It seems you can get away with all sorts of really bad stuff as long as everyone is also doing it too, though you might get caught... odds are you will commit suicide before the trial starts... fifty stab wounds to the back locked in a cell on your own... definitely suicide.
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    Post  Vann7 Wed Jun 30, 2021 1:00 am

    More proof the moon landings were fake..


    Alguien puede Explicarme Esto…(Can anyone explain me this? )




    channel name : Mundo Desconocido = The Unknown World.  

    english substitles = Autotranslate --> on   --> english.


    more ...

    inconvenient photos of (nasa) in the moon




    There is a ton of fake photos released by NASA over the moon ,and there is smoking
    gun evidence that their photos were all fake.  Does this completely proof they never landed
    in the moon? technically speaking , it doesn't. Because they could have do it in theory years much later than when they told they did it. If for example they wanted to defeat soviet union by cheating and forcing soviet into a expensive race to overspend in trying to reach the moon ,by faking its success.. But if only the photos were fake ,they will still continue going to the moon and not just ignore it for 30 years later and build a base there. going to the moon is far more cheaper than mars and the major public promotion , that could have been a manned moon station , a permanent base ,will have been extremely good for the nation popularity as leader in the world. On Top of the military possiblities and the mining too ,  So is highly unlikely . Not only they faked the moon landings ,but the mars rover program of NASA could be fake too.


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