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    Russian Assault Rifles/Carbines/Machine Guns Thread: #1

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    Post  Regular Sun Oct 04, 2015 6:02 pm

    AFAIK There are no RPK's in service any more. Maybe it's here to fill the gap. Maybe there will be new MG line or maybe Russia just loves developing weapons?
    I'm in love with bullpup versions of PKM and PKP. I would rather see them being produced/converted.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Oct 05, 2015 9:58 am

    I love the PKP... I think it is very cool, but the extra weight... especially the ammo reduces its fire power potential.

    I think having a light weight LMG in 6x49mm would offer a serious increase in effective range and power over the 5.45mm calibre weapons, and indeed would improve performance beyond that of the PKP due to the more efficient bullet shape and lighter weight ammo... so it would be a case of a LMG replacing both LMG (ie PKP) and MMG (PKM) though I suspect in the MMG medium machine gun role a PKP in 6x49mm calibre would allow a reduction in mass with the lighter cartridge and an increase in range and fire power with the lighter ammo reducing weight... and if you are going to replace the RPK with a 6x49mm calibre lmg and the PKP/PKM with a 6x49mm MMG, then it only makes sense to replace the standard designated marksman rifle and sniper rifle with a 6x49mm version of the SVD/VS-121 and SV-98 respectively so your troops still carry two main rifle calibres... well and the 9x39mm and 338 Lapua Magnum, and the 12.7 x 55mm and 12.7 x 108mm and the 9x19mm calibre etc etc.
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    Post  Arctic_Fox Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:47 pm

    anyone have any info about this rifle? (AK 15 aparently):



    will it have a full auto version?

    it looks recoilless Very Happy
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Oct 18, 2015 8:46 pm

    Arctic_Fox wrote:anyone have any info about this rifle? (AK 15 aparently):



    will it have a full auto version?

    it looks recoilless Very Happy

    No single shot only, sold with 10 and 20 round limited magazines (yes the one you're seeing is a 20 round mag), BARS mechanism, has mild PoI shft on the right. Mechanism is a bit more complex than AEK BARS but it's good. Yours for about 900 Eur.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Oct 18, 2015 9:33 pm

    http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=2864

    Black Swan explained.

    Is the Nikonov an innovative weapon? No. it’s beyond that. Most anything mechanical is formed after a preexisting idea, or can trace its development to another device. The AN-94 comes from… nowhere. It’s as great a quantum leap in small arms design as any of the original Browning guns. What spark of inspiration could have sent Gennady Nikonov to his desk to invent this rifle from thin air? Some have suggested a possible connection to some UFO activity in 1989 in Voronezh, Russia. Could the Nikonov be a piece of reverse engineered alien technology? We would love to think so; because there’s just no other logical explanation for this “Blackest” of black rifles

    Enough said.
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    Post  Arctic_Fox Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:20 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:http://www.sadefensejournal.com/wp/?p=2864

    Black Swan explained.

    Is the Nikonov an innovative weapon? No. it’s beyond that. Most anything mechanical is formed after a preexisting idea, or can trace its development to another device. The AN-94 comes from… nowhere. It’s as great a quantum leap in small arms design as any of the original Browning guns. What spark of inspiration could have sent Gennady Nikonov to his desk to invent this rifle from thin air? Some have suggested a possible connection to some UFO activity in 1989 in Voronezh, Russia. Could the Nikonov be a piece of reverse engineered alien technology? We would love to think so; because there’s just no other logical explanation for this “Blackest” of black rifles

    Enough said.

    I would love to see more of these beasts in active service.

    pretty much the only video featuring it in a good number that i ever seen:

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sun Oct 18, 2015 11:50 pm

    It needs small refinements and very committed troops. But Black Swan is still my favourite.
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    Post  par far Mon Oct 19, 2015 2:30 am

    Is it a good a good idea to test these rifles in Syria? Take the Ak 12 and other modern latest small arms and test, how they do in Syria.
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    Post  par far Wed Nov 04, 2015 2:51 am

    What are the differences between the AKM and the AK 103? I read that the AK 103 is accurate out to 500 yards?
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    Post  sepheronx Wed Nov 04, 2015 3:26 am

    par far wrote:What are the differences between the AKM and the AK 103? I read that the AK 103 is accurate out to 500 yards?
    AK-74 style muzzle brake, polymers making it much lighter to use, modern milling techniques to make so possibly better quality build (so probably better for mounting sights and such).
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    Post  Korbin Dallas Wed Nov 04, 2015 7:47 am

    AK-103 is an AK-74M in the 7,62x39 calibre, the Bolt, Bolt carrier, and trunions are different from AKM and do not interchange. The muzzle brake of the AK-103 allows quicker  follow up shots from reduced muzzle rise and recoil thus contibuting towards better combat accuracy. The Gas port is at a 90 degree angle to the bore, this is said to results in a very slight increase in accuracy. The reciever dust cover is a heavier guage steel as opposed to the AKM and does not need the strengthening ribs, and the polymere stock is a folder identical to AK-74M, as well as are the polymere upper and lower handguards. The AK-103 also has the standard optical dovetail rail rivited to the reciever left side allowing variuos optics to be installed. Some versions of the AK-103 are equipped with a three round burst mechanism as well as the Fully automatic mode. All in all the AK-103 is a better weapon than the AKM but just slightly so in the extra features but either weapon is still a formidable combat tool in skilled hands.
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    Post  George1 Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:16 pm

    Both are the 7.62mm versions of AK-47 and AK-74M. Do we know also with which law enforcement/military units is in service? (AK-103)
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    Post  par far Wed Nov 04, 2015 12:43 pm

    Korbin Dallas wrote:AK-103 is an AK-74M in the 7,62x39 calibre, the Bolt, Bolt carrier, and trunions are different from AKM and do not interchange. The muzzle brake of the AK-103 allows quicker  follow up shots from reduced muzzle rise and recoil thus contibuting towards better combat accuracy. The Gas port is at a 90 degree angle to the bore, this is said to results in a very slight increase in accuracy. The reciever dust cover is a heavier guage steel as opposed to the AKM and does not need the strengthening ribs, and the polymere stock is a folder identical to AK-74M, as well as are the polymere upper and lower handguards. The AK-103 also has the standard optical dovetail rail rivited to the reciever left side allowing variuos optics to be installed. Some versions of the AK-103 are equipped with a three round burst mechanism as well as the Fully automatic mode. All in all the AK-103 is a better weapon than the AKM but just slightly so in the extra features but either weapon is still a formidable combat tool in skilled hands.


    Thanks for the good information Korbin Dallas, I have read that the AK 103 is accurate out to 500 yards? Is this true?
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    Post  cracker Wed Nov 04, 2015 4:24 pm

    there is a video of a guy shooting paper targets to 1000 yards (914m), so, yeah, it's true.
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    Post  Arctic_Fox Wed Dec 30, 2015 4:17 pm

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    Post  KoTeMoRe Sat Jan 02, 2016 12:00 pm

    Recoil...the Russian way.

    BTW the only thing that stays in the way of aim to target shots is the linear recoil. And let me say this to you, there's going to be a solution for it. Very elegant solution.
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    Post  x_54_u43 Sun Jan 03, 2016 12:29 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:Recoil...the Russian way.

    BTW the only thing that stays in the way of aim to target shots is the linear recoil. And let me say this to you, there's going to be a solution for it. Very elegant solution.

    You sound as if you have some secret or not widely known knowledge, mind sharing it if it is a Russian solution?
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    Post  Regular Sun Jan 03, 2016 7:55 am

    Wow, updated AK-107/AK-15 make other rifles look like piece of shnit.
    Sorry AK-12, but KoTeMoRe was right
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    Post  GarryB Sun Jan 03, 2016 8:54 am

    Just a reminder.... there have been balanced recoil rifles competing in Russian Army rifle competitions for more than 40 years... they are not some new thing.

    Secondly the company that makes the AK-107 also makes the AK12... and just looking at the AK-107 it just looks like an AK-74M with a new balanced gas system.

    AK12 on the other hand have all sorts of changes including ambidextrous controls and there is no reason why it could not have a balanced recoil mechanism incorporated too... the point is that it makes the weapon more complicated and less user friendly and one would assume less reliable and you just know that in the field soldiers are just going to put their rifles on full auto and just hose down every target they see... or don't see and pretty soon will have no ammo left.

    also... stop teasing about this linear recoil stuff... spill the beans...

    (note not that i don't like the AK-107 it is just that I think such mechanisms might be best applied to weapons like RPK12 and PKPM... and perhaps even VS-121... a two or three round burst of 7.62 x 54mmR with almost no recoil landing on target would be devastating...
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Jan 04, 2016 2:45 am

    x_54_u43 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Recoil...the Russian way.

    BTW the only thing that stays in the way of aim to target shots is the linear recoil. And let me say this to you, there's going to be a solution for it. Very elegant solution.

    You sound as if you have some secret or not widely known knowledge, mind sharing it if it is a Russian solution?

    100% Russian. And it will be shown next year. By CK. Based on Nikonov early design.
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    Post  x_54_u43 Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:13 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    x_54_u43 wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:Recoil...the Russian way.

    BTW the only thing that stays in the way of aim to target shots is the linear recoil. And let me say this to you, there's going to be a solution for it. Very elegant solution.

    You sound as if you have some secret or not widely known knowledge, mind sharing it if it is a Russian solution?

    100% Russian. And it will be shown next year. By CK. Based on Nikonov early design.

    Oh, you're talking about that. Can't wait for it to make its appearance.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Mon Jan 04, 2016 7:45 am

    The design will have no cams, and the rifle will have rearranged internals to fit two integrated reciprocating blocks. There is à competing ZID design with à deviating axis tube on the buttstock which would act like a linear buffer. The rumour has it that the mental process of expecting recoil had thrown shooters forward and driving down first shots as low as 30 cm from aimpoint. I cannot say more, as I don't have more.
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    Post  Regular Wed Jan 06, 2016 1:08 am

    Thanks for the info.
    Future stuff right there.
    So where that leaves AK-12? As nice at it is it, it will be soon outgunned by other design from same company.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe Wed Jan 06, 2016 5:55 am

    Regular wrote:Thanks for the info.
    Future stuff right there.
    So where that leaves AK-12? As nice at it is it, it will be soon outgunned by other design from same company.
    it leaves it as top contender. Don't forget, we're talking about mass production, thus simplicity. The systems implemented on the AK 15 have in mind the shooting range, not exactly the battlefield. But, this doesn't mean the rifle is a primadonna. IF they have to adapt the 15 as a foolproof, KISS animal, i'm sure it will take more time, than next year. Most Nikonov designs are Dark magic stuff.
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