Again some sniper
The New Russian Army outfit looks cool Soldier with new outfit
GarryB wrote:The Soviets and Russians have plenty of elite forces trained to very high standards... including Vlad who created this forum.
The main difference however is that western snipers have been trained to shoot at very long distances... ie 800m+ whereas most Soviet and Russian snipers would not usually attempt such risky long range shots.
Obviously the west has developed weapons and ammo and learned the required skills for long range kills... to the point where many less well educated westerners don't consider the SVD to be a sniper rifle. They would call it a designated marksman rifle akin to the M14 or the M21 which is an M14 modified for accurate shooting.
In actual fact the SVD is a sniper rifle and was custom designed for the role, but for the role in the Soviet Union where most shots are taken from 600m or less.
It is sighted out to 1,200m or so, but that would just be for harassing fire against large numbers of enemy troops, or light vehicles like trucks.
The Russians probably have a much wider range of service weapons for "special use" than the west, including the SV-99 in .22lr calibre for sniping at up to 70m in an urban environment, through to AK-74Ms with a scope, VSS suppressed sniper rifles in 9 x 39mm calibre effective out to 400m, then you have the SVD out to 800m, the SV-98 to perhaps 1,000m and the OSV-96 in 12.7mm calibre that would probably be used out to about 1,800m or so, but more against vehicles and missile targets. They also have special 12.7mm suppressed sniper rifles and a few other weapons that have specialist use. Some special units have started looking at extended range shooting with bullet design and new propellent as well as new calibres.
There seems to be a lot of testing of .338 Laupa Magnum calibre weapons of which photos are on this forum somewhere, and I distinctly remember seeing a rifle made in Russia that uses a Cheytech calibre that is also designed for very long range use, so they are gradually changing their philosophy.
Of course for engaging point targets at 2km another option is the Metis-M1 system, where a 3 man team can carry a launcher and 5 missiles, each one with a range of 2km and a HE payload more powerful than anything you can put in a 50 cal bullet.
Also they have the 14.5mm HMG in their inventory which has twice the muzzle energy of a 50 cal and would be ideal out to about 2,500m or so.
I have heard talk of SLAP rounds for this calibre, but have never seen any myself... which makes sense... a SLAP round is not much use in a machine gun unless all the rounds are SLAPs as a sabot round generally has a completely different trajectory to other much lower velocity rounds so a mix of SLAP and standard ball rounds would be stupid as the bullets would be going everywhere.
In a dedicated sniper rifle however a SLAP round would be a very valuable round to use for all sorts of light armoured targets.
The 14.5 x 115mm round was modified in WWII by expanding the neck of the case to fit the 23mm projectile of the 23 x 152mm shell used in the Shturmovik and later a similar round used in the ground forces in the ZU-23 and the ZSU-23-4.
The resulting round was a low velocity weapon with a short case that was easy to use in rapid firing aircraft guns that had a projectile with a heavy HE payload.
The South Africans have an anti material rifle that can fire either a 20mm cannon shell or a 14.5mm HMG round. The 20mm shell lacks armour penetration performance, but carries a good HE payload out to about 1,600m, while the 14.5mm has good armour penetration performance and is accurate out to 2,500m.
It would certainly make sense for the Russians to make an anti material rifle based on the 23 x 115mm and the 14.5 x 115mm rounds in my opinion (if they haven't already done so).
but dont you think that russia should creat something similar to the scout snipers and maybe employ a rifle similar to the l96 that the british use ( i know that this rifle is currently in service with the fsb) because i just think that such a unit would be able to out perform the marines if it is created
The .50 BMG is better on the battlefield. If you run out of match ammo...everyone will have 50BMG to scrounge and use instead to get by.
Which is why Russia also has the OSV-96 semi automatic 12.7x108mm....and KSVK 12.7x108mm bolt action rifles.
...The performance characteristics of the rifle ORSIS T-5000 a guarantee to hit targets at any time of day and night in all weather conditions, without pre-zeroing and technical training at ranges up to 1 Km. The rifle comes in two calibers: 308 Winchester (7,62 x51 mm) for shooting at short and medium range and 338 Lapua Magnum (8,6 x70 mm) for shooting at medium and long distances. The rifle is designed to equip anti-terrorist and special units of law enforcement agencies of Russia with high quality weapons.
Interest in acquiring the product GC "Promtehnologii" is also present at the exhibition expressed by representatives of delegations from abroad.
The presentation of the latest developments - the sniper rifle ORSIS T-5000.
At the VIII International exhibition of arms, "Nizhni Tagil - 2011" has been successfully demonstrated to the combat capabilities of the latest model produced by the Moscow arms factory GC "Promtehnologii."
One of the most notable developments of the international exhibition of armaments in Nizhny Tagil, REA-2011 was the presentation of the newest sniper rifle ORSIS T-5000. For the first time in the past two decades, Russia has managed to develop and launch into production a brand new sniper rifle, meets all modern requirements for such weapons.
Combat capabilities of the latest developments exhibitors successfully demonstrated a leading expert GC "Promtehnologii", a renowned expert in the field of precision shooting Dmitry Semizorov. Shooting took place with the usual rounds of easily destructible targets at distances of 100, 300 and 540 m. The precision of the battle rifle evoked prolonged applause at present stands professionals and VIP guests.
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Interest in acquiring the product GC "Promtehnologii" is also present at the exhibition expressed by representatives of delegations and abroad.
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Flanky wrote:Regarding the Istigal - i have read somewhere (unfortunatelyl i don't remember, nor i do not know the credibility) that Izhevsk is in talks with RPE the azerbaijani firm that created the Istigal to purchase the license for serial production in Russia. And also that i know there are 2 versions of the rifle while the third one is currently in develpment.
A 20 mm caliber a 14,5 mm caliber (heavier one) and 12,7mm much less heavy.
Interesting that they chamber the rifle in 7.62 x 51mm NATO.
This is a Police type weapon for law enforcement agencies, though why they would need 1km plus range rifles is a good question.