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    Russian Assault Rifles/Carbines/Machine Guns Thread: #1

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    Post  George1 22/12/14, 09:57 pm

    33rd Special Purpose Unit "Peresvet"

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    Is this AK-12?
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    Post  Regular 23/12/14, 05:40 am

    No. Not even close. Stamped selector, different rail, stock, gas tube, different receiver and etc etc
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    Post  par far 23/12/14, 12:40 pm

    When will the announce, which rifle will be adopted for the army?
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    Post  Kyo 23/12/14, 12:51 pm

    Read news in another forum that the announcement will be made tomorrow, December 23.


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    Post  George1 23/12/14, 01:10 pm

    AK-103 the replacement of AKM

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    Post  George1 24/12/14, 01:35 pm

    Vityaz-SN standard submachine gun for all branches of Russian military and police forces based on AK-74

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    Post  Regular 24/12/14, 03:13 pm

    Nice. Any reason it retained almost identical length as AK-74U? IMHO it should be more modular like SIG MPX. But on other hand it's probably very cheap and it's purpose to fill a gap of PDW or LEO weapons that exists now.
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    Post  Zivo 24/12/14, 04:04 pm

    Regular wrote:Nice. Any reason it retained almost identical length as AK-74U? IMHO it should be more modular like SIG MPX. But on other hand it's probably very cheap and it's purpose to fill a gap of PDW or LEO weapons that exists now.

    It's what they have the tooling for.

    I guarantee the Zenit accessories alone cost more than the SMG.
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    Post  GarryB 24/12/14, 08:19 pm

    Any reason it retained almost identical length as AK-74U?

    The design is based on the AKS-74U.

    Actually if they based it on the AK12 with fully ambidextrous controls, bolt hold open option, and ability to select the side the cocking handle operates from then it could be serious competition for the MP5...

    AFAIK it is already in 9 x 19mm.
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    Post  Regular 26/12/14, 09:25 pm

    I doubt it could be competition to MP5. They are dirt cheap and today they are quite outdated too. There are plenty new designs. 9mm sub on AK-12 platform would be more advanced already. It would more or less competitor to Tavor, MPX and etc.
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    Post  Werewolf 27/12/14, 04:49 am

    http://www.thefirearmblog.com/blog/2014/12/23/breaking-russian-army-accepts-ak-12-aek-971/

    Coming on the heels of (and surely related to) news that Kalashnikov Concern has decided to launch the AK-12 on the open market, the Russian Army has announced today that both the AK-12 and the A545 (improved AEK-971 variant) have passed state trials and will be accepted into service with operational units for evaluation.

    Well like expected both enter it where AEK will end up in more specialized units.
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    Post  collegeboy16 27/12/14, 05:37 am

    George1 wrote:Vityaz-SN standard submachine gun for all branches of Russian military and police forces based on AK-74
    i take it this baby's spray pattern goes up with a slight right then wiggles between left and right after that, right?
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    Post  flamming_python 27/12/14, 10:49 am

    collegeboy16 wrote:
    George1 wrote:Vityaz-SN standard submachine gun for all branches of Russian military and police forces based on AK-74
    i take it this baby's spray pattern goes up with a slight right then wiggles between left and right after that, right?

    Unlike the AK rifle it doesn't have a muzzle-break compensator, or at least not much of one; so I assume it will just go up with a slight right - what makes you think it will still start stabilizing after that?
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    Post  collegeboy16 27/12/14, 11:20 am

    flamming_python wrote:
    Unlike the AK rifle it doesn't have a muzzle-break compensator, or at least not much of one; so I assume it will just go up with a slight right - what makes you think it will still start stabilizing after that?
    nah, im just referencing cs go, pp-19 does that aforementioned pattern and vityaz is upgrade of it.
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    Post  GarryB 27/12/14, 09:54 pm

    They are 9mm pistol calibre weapons... with a proper grip I doubt they would move very much at all.
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    Post  Werewolf 28/12/14, 01:12 am

    GarryB wrote:They are 9mm pistol calibre weapons... with a proper grip I doubt they would move very much at all.

    A friend of mine had the opportunity to shoot with the Police and was shooting the MP5, he said the recoil is almost non existent at the buttstock but the recoil at the muzzle was quite surprisingly high and was little bit hard to control for a 9mm calibre, so even for such a weapon a grip would do wonders.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon 31/12/14, 06:32 am

    For the doubters who act like the AK-12 is just a tacticool AK-74M with no real innovation...well feast your eyes, there's even more empirical evidence the designed recoil reduction, at the ':34' mark check out the AK-12 in full auto:

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    Post  Regular 31/12/14, 06:44 pm

    Well AK-12 doesn't bring any innovations, it's rather conventional design with everything already seen on weapons before. It's a AK-74 brought up to todays standards of modern rifles. And I don't see anything wrong about it. Innovative rifles usually just stay like that and are hardly accepted by armies. AN-94, XM-8, G11 and etc. Look at assault rifle market and check the most advanced weapons there. How many of those weapons are actually in service?
    And evidence of low recoil was shown when it was tested in the factory range in one Russian military tv show. It really gives AEK run for it's money. It means that AEK must have other outstanding qualities than controlled automatic fire as AK-12 have it too. Now I can't wait to see them on service.
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    Post  Kyo 22/01/15, 02:15 am

    AK-47s soon to be made in US
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    Post  sepheronx 22/01/15, 02:21 am

    Kyo wrote:AK-47s soon to be made in US

    So they are going to make unlicensed copies of the gun and also keep the name too, while not paying royalties or concerning Kalashnikov brand.

    Well, hope their business fails. Or they get sued up the arse.
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    Post  Kyo 22/01/15, 10:29 am

    The news of the own production of AK-47 in the US has caused confusion among relatives maker machine

           Izhevsk. January 21. Interfax-AVN - Information about the plans of the American company for the production of RWC AK-47 is puzzling, said the agency "Interfax" the president of fund them. Kalashnikov, the daughter of designer Elena Kalashnikov Wednesday.
            E.Kalashnikova reported that the first time I heard about it and is "at a loss by this news." She also noted that she did not know what was the relationship with the company in concern "Kalashnikov".
            "On the one hand, it is recognized to some extent: Why would they take that nobody wants? Kind of like the fact that the AK-47 still need someone. On the other hand, it is clear that the World still our (Russian - "IF") weapons must be our "- said E.Kalashnikova.
            She also noted that if the "wrong people use what is not theirs", then this can be treated as theft.
            Earlier media quoted CNN reported that a US company RWC (Russian Weapon Company), the official importer and distributor of Kalashnikov assault rifles, from the second quarter of 2015 alone plans to produce AK-47 in the United States. The report quoted the executive director of RWC Thomas Makkrossina that the cause was a ban on US imports of Russian small arms because of sanctions. According to him, to ban the company managed to accumulate significant reserves in the warehouses of Russian weapons, but for a long time they will not be enough, as the demand for the products of "Kalashnikov" in the US is quite high.
            "We are not allowed to pick up the phone and talk to them (with staff concern" Kalashnikov "," IF ")" - quoted by CNN T.Makkrosina.
            In January 2014 it was reported that the company "Kalashnikov" signed with the Russian Weapon Company agreement on the supply of products Izhevsk gunsmiths in the US and Canada. In accordance with the terms of the agreement, the Company acquired the exclusive right RWC for 5 years supply in the United States and Canada sporting and hunting guns and Baikal Izhmash brand enterprises of concern "Kalashnikov". The volume of exported weapons should be from 80 to 200 thousand pieces per year. In addition to sales, RWC had to carry out the whole range of measures to promote the production of concern "Kalashnikov", its service and warranty service.
            JSC "Concern" Kalashnikov "- Russia's largest producer of combat automatic and sniper weapons, guided artillery shells, as well as civil products - shotguns, sporting rifles, machines and tools. Included in the state corporation" Rostec. "
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    Post  George1 22/01/15, 10:31 am

    Four Rifles to Compete for Inclusion in Ratnik Equipment

    Not two, but four rifles are in struggle for inclusion in the future soldier combat equipment Ratnik. The decision will be made before the end of February, TASS reported according to General Director of the Central Research Institute of Precision Engineering (CRI TOCHMASH) Dmitry Semizorov.

    Earlier it was reported that the place in Ratnik is disputed by AK-12 from concern “Kalashnikov” and AEK-971 developed by Kovrov plant named after Degtyarev, and both rifles can be adopted. According to the deputy chairman of the board of the Military-Industrial Commission Oleg Bochkarev, the military insist on choosing only one model, and AK-12 stands a better chance of winning.

    “It never was about two rifles. We consider four rifles – AK-103-3, AK-12, A-545 and A-762. Meanwhile the decision of the State Commission on the adoption in Ratnik of any rifle is not accepted,” Semizorov said.
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    Post  Werewolf 22/01/15, 11:55 am

    Well than i hope for 7.62 calibre and for both rifles for regular AK and special units AEK.
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    What about subsonic 9x39mm AK-9 ?
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    Post  magnumcromagnon 22/01/15, 03:47 pm

    higurashihougi wrote:What about subsonic 9x39mm AK-9 ?

    It'll probably find it's way in to special forces, MVD OMON. As you know subsonic rounds are ideal for firearms with suppressor attachments, heavier cores in the subsonic rounds can make up for the loss of range due in part to the reduction in velocity (a trade off corresponding with acoustic signature reduction) with increased stopping power.

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