So the US propaganda about the definitive Su-57 model coming only around 2027 is true? This is why we shouldnt be happy.
By the same stupid logic the F-35 wont be ready for service until then either... is it still killing its pilots by suffocation because they haven't got something as basic and critical as an oxygen system right yet?
Does it have all the shit that was promised for it?
Laser weapons etc?
The engines it will enter service are already powerful enough to give it better performance than any other aircraft currently flying... when the new more powerful engine is ready it will have even better performance even though over the next few years it might gain weight with extra equipment and systems.
Also if the Su-57 is so much on the backburner,
What are you talking about backburner for?
The F-22 started development just after the Su-27 entered service... it took them 20 odd years to get their 5th gen fighter made.
There would be no difference at all whether they have 500 in service tomorrow or 60 in service in 5 years.
The F-14A had shit engines from the F-111 that were great for strike aircraft but shit for a fighter plane... it entered service in 1974... it didn't get decent engines until the F-14D model entered service in 1991... bitch about that why don't you?
And how are energy deals, gold purchases and fighter procurement mutually exclusive? Stop making stupid excuses. Everything isn't totally fine. I repeat this, again: the first protype flew in 2010.
There is a reason you don't put untested technology into new stuff... just because some fanbois on the internet want the Su-57 in service now doesn't mean the Russian military are stupid enough to spend a fortune just to make it happen.
YOU ARE NOT GETTING A PONY FOR CHRISTMAS... JUST FUCKING DEAL WITH IT OK?
And then there's the Indian mess as well, because apparently they haven't placed any orders yet, who knows. So no, we shouldn't be particularly happy. But try to tell that to these guys. Rolling Eyes (And no, I'm not saying that 1. anything is fullly confirmed or 2. that this a total disaster and the end of the world.)
Who cares whether India buy planes or not... they are not buying Su-57s... they are codeveloping their own version of it... just like they did with the Su-30M to make the Su-30MKI... even if they signed it all right now it is going to take two decades for them to decide what French or Israeli crap they want to put in it... which is fine... it has nothing to do with the Russian Su-57.
Sorry I assumed you knew economics 101 and knew that money doesn't grow on trees. Russia is accumulating legacy assets all over the world and not incurring long term debt for it. How it gods earth could you not know that there is only a finite amount of money to go around ? Regardless. Its priorities. Because Russia is not lacking money. It has the 6th most foreign exchange reserves in the world, the 6th most gold and the 6th biggest GDP.
Don't be silly Pierre... these idiots want Russia to spend top dollar to get everything right now and in huge numbers so they can talk shit to the pro west loonies on the other forums they go to to hear the sky is falling... Russia could not possibly be sensible about things and invest in things that bring returns that help pay for stuff in the future... don't you get it... once they have thousands of Su-57s and Armata tanks and Husky submarines then they can start doing to the west what the US does to the west and they can be in charge... and just act like the US because that is what the world fucking needs... another spoilt rich brat telling everyone to follow the rules it ignores every day...
So it's both a copy (of multiple planes) and a redesign at the same?
They aren't stupid... my Chinese AK is a copy of the Soviet AKM, but it is not an exact copy. It is actually slightly improved but ironically in a way that is totally useless for me.
The original AK has a few components that prevent the hammer from falling until the bolt carrier is fully closed... it is called a rate of fire reducer or hammer retarder in the west, but basically it is a hammer delay to stop the hammer from hitting the firing pin before the bolt carrier is fully forward and locked.
On the Chinese copy, instead of those extra components it just has a triangle of metal sticking out the rear of the bolt carrier above the bolt so that until the bolt carrier is fully forward the hammer cannot hit the firing pin... simple, no extra parts but performs the job... very clever.
Problem of course is that my AK is semi auto only so the chance of the gun firing out of battery is nonexistent...
You might have a point when comparing F-22's timeline to Su-57. Kind of, maybe. But the actual F-22 prototypes flew later and the reason for those delays was the end of the Cold War. Russia was not that different during the 90s and early 2000s, except, of course, worse. But this is 2018. Also, the issue is not that it's supposedly going to enter service in 2019, but the possible delays all the way until the late 20s, very low production numbers until that. And the F-22 production was cut short because they believed in their own propaganda about the "New American Century".
How dare you compare the worlds only superpower with a third world country with nukes... it will take Russia a hundred years to make their plane you peasant...
China is far behind russia and west in aviation. Nothing new. Just like in naval design.
There is nothing to be ashamed of for China... 30 years ago they rode bikes to work even in the big cities... now they have cars... but you really have to ask yourself if that is actually progress or consumerism...
There are not that many countries that can make decent aircraft and rather fewer that can build decent engines for them...
Its because anti Russianism is just so popular. People just get caught up in it.
Russians today are the equivalent of gay niggers in the 60s... you can blame them for anything bad and it sticks because no one will defend gay niggers...
And before you complain all the bad stuff I wrote in this post is because Russian Hackers did it...
Way more criticism and agitprop has been leveled against the su 57 by western fanboys than there has been against the J-20. Westerners actually seem to have a soft spot for the J-20. They use the freaking J-20 as a prop to further criticize the su 57. I don't even remember the last time I seen a hate filled hit piece against the J-20. Yet hate filled hit pieces against the su 57 is a cottage industry. Yet as everyone knows, China is the real world threat to the USA. Its GDP is already bigger.
Not because they like China... if they shit talk all their enemies how can they demand more money in the next budget for new stuff?
And the su 47 flew and was a prospective design and technology in it was used in the su 57. And the Mig 1.44 flew eventually in 2000 I think. Maybe the Chinese wanted to see it fly before they bought the blueprints.
The blueprints would not be for sale until it was clear it was never going to enter Russian service...
How many other fighters have L band AESAs able to track stealth aircraft?