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Is this picture photoshop or can the Su-57 really carry 6 R-77s? Also, as of 2018, is it confirmed if the Su-57 will carry a medium range AAM with range above 110km? I thought I heard that the K-77M never existed.
So its still not confirmed that the Su-57 can carry more than 4 R-77s?
Isos wrote:Does someone know if there going to be an UB variant of su-57 for training like it is the case for every other fighter in russia ?
miketheterrible wrote:Isos wrote:Does someone know if there going to be an UB variant of su-57 for training like it is the case for every other fighter in russia ?
A two seater could become viable sometime but there is the chance that Yak-130 will be that training aircraft needed to simulate Su-57, plus using simulators, since automation does a lot of work a second pilot would do.
Izd.30 engine will finish testing in 2021
KomissarBojanchev wrote:Izd.30 engine will finish testing in 2021
http://www.interfax.ru/amp/595751
Does that mean that the Su-57 that will enter service in 2018 will still have the Al-41? Im confused about why it will take so long to test. Can't most of the reliability and thrust testing be done on the ground? Also on infographics it says that the Su-57 only completed flight and air refueling testing, while weapons testing hasn't even begun yet. This seems to be a contradiction otherwise they wouldn't be thinking of putting it into service this year.
AMCXXL wrote:not necessarily nowmiketheterrible wrote:I believe Su-35 as well.
In 2018 are necesary the Su-30SM and the Yak-130 as productions cannot stop.
Also MiG-35 contract is necesary for start serial production soon.The Su-57 probably will start serial production of first batch in 2019.
Su-34 will end contract in 2019 and Su-35 in 2020, so at the moment it is not in a hurry to sign new contracts, although the total number will be planned in SAP 2018-2027
This year will be received 40 combat aircrafts:
16 SU-34 ?
10 Su-35
14 SU-30SM
Next years the numbers will increase slightly with the new MiG-35 and Su-57.
Also Su-35S procurement will be increased after China received all the 24 Su-35, while Su-34 probably will be lower when Algeria receive their airplanes
In 10 years of sustained production, about 450 or 500 new combat aircraft can be manufactured for Russian Ministry of Defence, without great efforts
ALso:
https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3087140.html
The contract for the first 12 serial Su-57 fighters of the installation batch will be concluded in 2018
Deputy Minister of Defense of the Russian Federation Yury Borisov during his visit to the Komsomolsk-on-Amur Aircraft Plant named after Yu.A. Gagarin (KnAAZ) of Sukhoi Company, said that in 2018 a contract will be signed for the delivery of the installation lot of the fifth generation of Su-57 fighters created under the PAK FA program. "We will first contract the first squadron - 12 aircraft," - specified Borisov.
According to Borisov, the first two planes from this party can enter the troops already in 2019. He added that earlier in the framework of development work on the PAK FA, 12 machines were manufactured, 10 of which are actively involved in flight tests.
"We are taking the Su-57 already for the experimental-combat operation, and the state tests of the first stage are over," Borisov said.
Answering the question about the work on the new engine for the PAK FA, the defense secretary said: "It's hard to judge, because we had just one flight." It's all OK, but you understand, it's a test complex, you have to fly a long time.As a rule, such tests last two or three years. "
Also, when visiting KnAAZ, Yuri Borisov said that in 2018 the plant will produce 10 new Su-35 fighters for the Russian Defense Ministry and will modernize six Su-27 aircraft to the level of the CM-3.
The aircraft of the installation lot, according to known information, must be made in the technical face of the experienced fighters T-50-9 / T-50-11 and equipped with engines of the type "117". Presumably, after the production of this installation lot, within the framework of the adopted State Arms Program for 2018-2027, a new contract for the production of 12-15 Su-57 aircraft of the installation batch in the form of the "second stage" should be followed, with the "engine 30" fitted with a prospective engine. Actual full-scale production of Su-57 fighters for equipping the linear parts of the Russian military spacecraft will apparently be carried out in the shape of the "second stage" after 2027.
So it seems large scale production , will be after the production of Su-35, as logical
No sense to produce all airplanes at same time.
Kimppis wrote:It's just that once again Russian media publishes an article on the Russian military procurement that you can interpret in so many ways... And AMCXXL's comment seems to confirm my "fears".
Regarding the first 12, my point was this: so there's a plan to get the first squadron, the first 12 planes by the end of 2020. But if they order 0 this year and only 2 planes in 2019, they would need to order 10 in 2020 to achieve that. So does that really mean that RuAF won't even manage that at this rate? At first it was around 60, then 12... and now maybe, possibly... I don't know, 4?
Yeah, let's not take it too seriously at this stage, but it really is a bit worrying, IMO. Because that is how I read the article: 0 this year, 2 in 2019 + plus maybe another squadron with the new engines between 2020-27.
I though izd.810 and R-77M were ready a long time ago.franco wrote:Kimppis wrote:It's just that once again Russian media publishes an article on the Russian military procurement that you can interpret in so many ways... And AMCXXL's comment seems to confirm my "fears".
Regarding the first 12, my point was this: so there's a plan to get the first squadron, the first 12 planes by the end of 2020. But if they order 0 this year and only 2 planes in 2019, they would need to order 10 in 2020 to achieve that. So does that really mean that RuAF won't even manage that at this rate? At first it was around 60, then 12... and now maybe, possibly... I don't know, 4?
Yeah, let's not take it too seriously at this stage, but it really is a bit worrying, IMO. Because that is how I read the article: 0 this year, 2 in 2019 + plus maybe another squadron with the new engines between 2020-27.
They are in no hurray as the new engines and weapons are not ready yet. These units with be interim technology.
Kimppis wrote:It's just that once again Russian media publishes an article on the Russian military procurement that you can interpret in so many ways... And AMCXXL's comment seems to confirm my "fears".
Regarding the first 12, my point was this: so there's a plan to get the first squadron, the first 12 planes by the end of 2020. But if they order 0 this year and only 2 planes in 2019, they would need to order 10 in 2020 to achieve that. So does that really mean that RuAF won't even manage that at this rate? At first it was around 60, then 12... and now maybe, possibly... I don't know, 4?
Yeah, let's not take it too seriously at this stage, but it really is a bit worrying, IMO. Because that is how I read the article: 0 this year, 2 in 2019 + plus maybe another squadron with the new engines between 2020-27.
Kimppis wrote:It's just that once again Russian media publishes an article on the Russian military procurement that you can interpret in so many ways... And AMCXXL's comment seems to confirm my "fears".
Regarding the first 12, my point was this: so there's a plan to get the first squadron, the first 12 planes by the end of 2020. But if they order 0 this year and only 2 planes in 2019, they would need to order 10 in 2020 to achieve that. So does that really mean that RuAF won't even manage that at this rate? At first it was around 60, then 12... and now maybe, possibly... I don't know, 4?
Yeah, let's not take it too seriously at this stage, but it really is a bit worrying, IMO. Because that is how I read the article: 0 this year, 2 in 2019 + plus maybe another squadron with the new engines between 2020-27.
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