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    Post  George1 on Thu Feb 09, 2017 2:00 am

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    Post  Godric on Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:58 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Godric wrote:Nadia Savchenko attacked Porky for killing Givi .... in all fairness she is taking a massive risk


    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/nadia-savchenko-attacks-ukraines-president-killing-donbass-rebel-givi/ri18864

    I am surprised indeed with this move. Either that hunger strike affected her brain or that FSB brainwashing was successful beyond all expectations.

    Either way she is taking massive risk. Only reason she is still alive is potential media backlash.

    I do wonder where all this comes from?

    As for Givi and Motorola my guess is that it is result of their very visible status. Neither was taking precautions and were always ''out there'' which made them easy targets.

    Ukrainians can't accomplish anything militarily so these assassinations are consolation prizes, something to show to public in order to deflect from constant defeats.

    i believe she is a Ukrainian patriot, and she realises know the more Ukraine attacks Donbass and it's leaders the likelihood of Donbass returning to Ukraine becomes impossible ... this is where her frustration comes from
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    Post  par far on Thu Feb 09, 2017 4:24 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:That's why warriors need perpetual war. Once the party is over, they set their own party. This is simply someone cleaning the ranks and making sure there's only martyrs and heroes to remember. It's sad but it was going to happen this way, Donbass isn't stable yet and it won't be until Ukrainians give up their Euro-topia.

    On a side note, Givi, like Motorola weren't hiding or protecting themselves. They were nobodies going through the ranks and rising through conflict. They had no protection, no backers to hold their hand. The moor did his job, the Moor can go indeed.

    Don't forget, this is a civil war, it was bound to turn this way, sooner or later. It's sad, but for people like Moto and Givi who didn't want more than the basic honor of their deeds, there was no future in whatever becomes of the Donbass this year. IMO they both should have moved to Russia and be done with. They chose to stay on their little mound and pretend everyone was friend and unicorn stuff.

    Sad.


    Your right on. I think Givi was killed by some on the inside and not on the orders of Ukriane or NATO. They really don't have much to gain from this. This come from the Kremlin or someone high in Donbass. I just wish Mozgovoy, Motorola and Givi, just returned to Russia and served in the Russian Armed Forces because the war in Donbass has just gotten very dirty.

    RIP GIVI.
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    Post  eehnie on Thu Feb 09, 2017 6:52 pm

    par far wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:That's why warriors need perpetual war. Once the party is over, they set their own party. This is simply someone cleaning the ranks and making sure there's only martyrs and heroes to remember. It's sad but it was going to happen this way, Donbass isn't stable yet and it won't be until Ukrainians give up their Euro-topia.

    On a side note, Givi, like Motorola weren't hiding or protecting themselves. They were nobodies going through the ranks and rising through conflict. They had no protection, no backers to hold their hand. The moor did his job, the Moor can go indeed.

    Don't forget, this is a civil war, it was bound to turn this way, sooner or later. It's sad, but for people like Moto and Givi who didn't want more than the basic honor of their deeds, there was no future in whatever becomes of the Donbass this year. IMO they both should have moved to Russia and be done with. They chose to stay on their little mound and pretend everyone was friend and unicorn stuff.

    Sad.


    Your right on. I think Givi was killed by some on the inside and not on the orders of Ukriane or NATO. They really don't have much to gain from this. This come from the Kremlin or someone high in Donbass. I just wish Mozgovoy, Motorola and Givi, just returned to Russia and served in the Russian Armed Forces because the war in Donbass has just gotten very dirty.

    RIP GIVI.  

    This is a non-sense. Both comments.

    Now we have to eat that:

    - Or pro-Russian forces have more interest in killing the pro-Russian commanders than Ukraine and other pro-West forces.
    - Or pro-Russian forces go easier to kill their own leaders and play dirtier than Ukraine and other pro-West forces, despite to have less interest in their death.
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    Post  Guest on Thu Feb 09, 2017 8:01 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    auslander wrote:Reports say it was a Schmel and from the looks of his office I believe it. At least he didn't suffer, probably never felt a thing.

    We will never know who did it.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20060709224954/http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jidr/jidr010104_3_n.shtml

    Specifications
    RPO-A
    Calibre: 93 mm
    Weight: single launcher, 11 kg; pack of two launchers, 22 kg
    Weight of warhead: ca 6.5 kg
    Weight of filling: 2.1 kg
    Length: 920 mm
    Max range: 1,000 m
    Max effective range: 600 m
    Min range: 20 m
    Initial velocity: 125 ±5 m/s
    Operational temperature range: -50 to +50ºC

    3280.84 feet, that's a pretty far range. 5280 feet in a mile. so over half a mile

    1000m is max range before fusing. Normal ranges where you can expect to actually hit something are up to 400m.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Thu Feb 09, 2017 10:29 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    auslander wrote:Reports say it was a Schmel and from the looks of his office I believe it. At least he didn't suffer, probably never felt a thing.

    We will never know who did it.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20060709224954/http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jidr/jidr010104_3_n.shtml

    Specifications
    RPO-A
    Calibre: 93 mm
    Weight: single launcher, 11 kg; pack of two launchers, 22 kg
    Weight of warhead: ca 6.5 kg
    Weight of filling: 2.1 kg
    Length: 920 mm
    Max range: 1,000 m
    Max effective range: 600 m
    Min range: 20 m
    Initial velocity: 125 ±5 m/s
    Operational temperature range: -50 to +50ºC

    3280.84 feet, that's a pretty far range. 5280 feet in a mile. so over half a mile

    1000m is max range before fusing. Normal ranges where you can expect to actually hit something are up to 400m.

    Thank you. 1/4 of a mile.
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    Post  Godric on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:14 am

    The Media is now saying Givi shot himself in the foot so that he could go back to his base and co ordinate an artillery barrage at his old position and he was killed by one of his own men for cowardice

    http://www.newsru.com/world/09feb2017/givi.html


    So let me get this straight This is the same Givi who became famous after a video of shells landing nearby him and him not giving a ****, who we have numerous videos of on the net from all over some of the hottest areas on the front lines with his guys, who was one of the most experienced commanders fighting for the NAF since the beginning, all of a sudden: got cold feed, shot himself in the foot, ran away, and had his troopss shelled. Also, the source is Novoya Gazeta.


    I mean, yeah, this sounds totally legit meh a load of bullshit someone is trying to besmirch his good name




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9k05CbXmqE
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    Post  Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 12:28 am

    Godric wrote:The Media is now saying Givi shot himself in the foot so that he could go back to his base and co ordinate an artillery barrage at his old position and he was killed by one of his own men for cowardice

    http://www.newsru.com/world/09feb2017/givi.html


    So let me get this straight The guy who became famous after a video of shells landing nearby him and him literally not giving a ****, who we have numerous videos of on the net from all over some of the hottest area on the front lines with his guys, who was one of the most experienced commanders fighting for the separatists since the beginning, all of a sudden: got cold feed, shot himself in the foot, ran away, and had his guys shelled. Also, the source is Novoya Gazeta.


    I mean, yeah, this sounds totally legit.  a load of bullshit someone is trying to besmirch his good name




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9k05CbXmqE



    Not unheard of, many early wartime heroes of the 90s prefered spending their later wartime service far from the frontlines, preferably in very deep cellar. You never know.

    However its media after all, bombshell headlines are bringing money.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:39 am

    Militarov wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    auslander wrote:Reports say it was a Schmel and from the looks of his office I believe it. At least he didn't suffer, probably never felt a thing.

    We will never know who did it.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20060709224954/http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jidr/jidr010104_3_n.shtml

    Specifications
    RPO-A
    Calibre: 93 mm
    Weight: single launcher, 11 kg; pack of two launchers, 22 kg
    Weight of warhead: ca 6.5 kg
    Weight of filling: 2.1 kg
    Length: 920 mm
    Max range: 1,000 m
    Max effective range: 600 m
    Min range: 20 m
    Initial velocity: 125 ±5 m/s
    Operational temperature range: -50 to +50ºC

    3280.84 feet, that's a pretty far range. 5280 feet in a mile. so over half a mile

    1000m is max range before fusing. Normal ranges where you can expect to actually hit something are up to 400m.

    With those sights and actual flight pattern, 200m is already pushing.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:45 am

    Godric wrote:The Media is now saying Givi shot himself in the foot so that he could go back to his base and co ordinate an artillery barrage at his old position and he was killed by one of his own men for cowardice

    http://www.newsru.com/world/09feb2017/givi.html


    So let me get this straight This is the same Givi who became famous after a video of shells landing nearby him and him not giving a ****, who we have numerous videos of on the net from all over some of the hottest areas on the front lines with his guys, who was one of the most experienced commanders fighting for the NAF since the beginning, all of a sudden: got cold feed, shot himself in the foot, ran away, and had his troopss shelled. Also, the source is Novoya Gazeta.


    I mean, yeah, this sounds totally legit meh a load of bullshit someone is trying to besmirch his good name




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9k05CbXmqE

    Novaya gazeta also has visual evidence of the perp.

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    Post  Guest on Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:07 am

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    auslander wrote:Reports say it was a Schmel and from the looks of his office I believe it. At least he didn't suffer, probably never felt a thing.

    We will never know who did it.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20060709224954/http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jidr/jidr010104_3_n.shtml

    Specifications
    RPO-A
    Calibre: 93 mm
    Weight: single launcher, 11 kg; pack of two launchers, 22 kg
    Weight of warhead: ca 6.5 kg
    Weight of filling: 2.1 kg
    Length: 920 mm
    Max range: 1,000 m
    Max effective range: 600 m
    Min range: 20 m
    Initial velocity: 125 ±5 m/s
    Operational temperature range: -50 to +50ºC

    3280.84 feet, that's a pretty far range. 5280 feet in a mile. so over half a mile

    1000m is max range before fusing. Normal ranges where you can expect to actually hit something are up to 400m.

    With those sights and actual flight pattern, 200m is already pushing.

    Well "hit something" like... "hit that building" Very Happy
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:41 am

    Militarov wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    Militarov wrote:
    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    auslander wrote:Reports say it was a Schmel and from the looks of his office I believe it. At least he didn't suffer, probably never felt a thing.

    We will never know who did it.

    https://web.archive.org/web/20060709224954/http://www.janes.com/defence/land_forces/news/jidr/jidr010104_3_n.shtml

    Specifications
    RPO-A
    Calibre: 93 mm
    Weight: single launcher, 11 kg; pack of two launchers, 22 kg
    Weight of warhead: ca 6.5 kg
    Weight of filling: 2.1 kg
    Length: 920 mm
    Max range: 1,000 m
    Max effective range: 600 m
    Min range: 20 m
    Initial velocity: 125 ±5 m/s
    Operational temperature range: -50 to +50ºC

    3280.84 feet, that's a pretty far range. 5280 feet in a mile. so over half a mile

    1000m is max range before fusing. Normal ranges where you can expect to actually hit something are up to 400m.

    With those sights and actual flight pattern, 200m is already pushing.

    Well "hit something" like... "hit that building" Very Happy

    That's what happened in this case, the hit ravaged two floors.
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    Post  franco on Fri Feb 10, 2017 1:37 pm

    Godric wrote:The Media is now saying Givi shot himself in the foot so that he could go back to his base and co ordinate an artillery barrage at his old position and he was killed by one of his own men for cowardice

    http://www.newsru.com/world/09feb2017/givi.html


    So let me get this straight This is the same Givi who became famous after a video of shells landing nearby him and him not giving a ****, who we have numerous videos of on the net from all over some of the hottest areas on the front lines with his guys, who was one of the most experienced commanders fighting for the NAF since the beginning, all of a sudden: got cold feed, shot himself in the foot, ran away, and had his troopss shelled. Also, the source is Novoya Gazeta.


    I mean, yeah, this sounds totally legit meh a load of bullshit someone is trying to besmirch his good name


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9k05CbXmqE

    Did you read the article? The guy that the original article used as their source denied talking to them and in fact left the war front last September due to health reasons? #FAKENEWS
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Fri Feb 10, 2017 11:58 pm

    Militarov wrote:
    Godric wrote:The Media is now saying Givi shot himself in the foot so that he could go back to his base and co ordinate an artillery barrage at his old position and he was killed by one of his own men for cowardice

    http://www.newsru.com/world/09feb2017/givi.html


    So let me get this straight The guy who became famous after a video of shells landing nearby him and him literally not giving a ****, who we have numerous videos of on the net from all over some of the hottest area on the front lines with his guys, who was one of the most experienced commanders fighting for the separatists since the beginning, all of a sudden: got cold feed, shot himself in the foot, ran away, and had his guys shelled. Also, the source is Novoya Gazeta.


    I mean, yeah, this sounds totally legit.  a load of bullshit someone is trying to besmirch his good name




    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9k05CbXmqE



    Not unheard of, many early wartime heroes of the 90s prefered spending their later wartime service far from the frontlines, preferably in very deep cellar. You never know.

    However its media after all, bombshell headlines are bringing money.



    I have read on another forum that this whole story about his very recent cowardice is a fabrication.


    Do not blindly believe everything.


    Four of the top half a dozen most famous New Russian commanders and leaders have now been assassinated - "Batman", Mozgovoy, "Motorola", and now "Givi" - and you want me to believe they were all cowards?

    This is nonsense and disinformation spread by the Ukrainian special services.


    I think Basurin and Zaharczenko are the only ones left, and Strelkov, if you want also to count him, albeit he was a volunteer from Russia and not a native of the New Russia.


    You can thank Putin for that, and his ruling clique, and their Minsk 2 bull-shit.
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    Post  Odin of Ossetia on Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:15 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:I'm starting to think that this is a conspiracy to kill all anticapitalist leaders in the DPR and replace them with oligarch and tsarist scum. United Russia, being free marketeer, conservative, and Oligarchs may have a role in these murders. How come haven't corrupt swine like Plotnitsky and  tsarist bootlickers like Strelkov  never been killed? Its always socialists.

    First of all Bulgaronorthkorean dyck, Strelkov was not a Tsarist bootlicker, and he probably is still alive because he permanently moved to Russia.

    Strelkov explicitly mentioned that Putin betrayed the whole New Russia Project.

    And it is Putin who is strangely pro-Czarist and pro-German.
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    Post  Godric on Sat Feb 11, 2017 1:02 am

    franco wrote:
    Godric wrote:The Media is now saying Givi shot himself in the foot so that he could go back to his base and co ordinate an artillery barrage at his old position and he was killed by one of his own men for cowardice

    http://www.newsru.com/world/09feb2017/givi.html


    So let me get this straight This is the same Givi who became famous after a video of shells landing nearby him and him not giving a ****, who we have numerous videos of on the net from all over some of the hottest areas on the front lines with his guys, who was one of the most experienced commanders fighting for the NAF since the beginning, all of a sudden: got cold feed, shot himself in the foot, ran away, and had his troopss shelled. Also, the source is Novoya Gazeta.


    I mean, yeah, this sounds totally legit meh a load of bullshit someone is trying to besmirch his good name


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K9k05CbXmqE

    Did you read the article? The guy that the original article used as their source denied talking to them and in fact left the war front last September due to health reasons? #FAKENEWS

    the story has changed since i posted ... the NG now realise they were duped
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    Post  GarryB on Sat Feb 11, 2017 12:11 pm

    With those sights and actual flight pattern, 200m is already pushing.

    My understanding is that they are reasonably accurate as long as there is no heavy crosswind and the person using it is familiar with firing them.

    200m = hitting window/specific room of building.

    600m = getting the building.

    1,000m is ballistic range where the only thing you will likely hit is the ground.
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    Post  medo on Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:15 pm

    After those attacks on Motorola and Givi, I wonder if general-major Igor Bezler is still in Novorussian army or not. He was also well known with his defense of Gorlovka town.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Sat Feb 11, 2017 2:27 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    With those sights and actual flight pattern, 200m is already pushing.

    My understanding is that they are reasonably accurate as long as there is no heavy crosswind and the person using it is familiar with firing them.

    200m = hitting window/specific room of building.

    600m = getting the building.

    1,000m is ballistic range where the only thing you will likely hit is the ground.

    Same idea here.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Sat Feb 11, 2017 5:35 pm

    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    With those sights and actual flight pattern, 200m is already pushing.

    My understanding is that they are reasonably accurate as long as there is no heavy crosswind and the person using it is familiar with firing them.

    200m = hitting window/specific room of building.

    600m = getting the building.

    1,000m is ballistic range where the only thing you will likely hit is the ground.

    Same idea here.

    Thanks, guys. Again what time of the day / night did this happen??
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    Post  JohninMK on Sat Feb 11, 2017 6:10 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:
    KoTeMoRe wrote:
    GarryB wrote:
    With those sights and actual flight pattern, 200m is already pushing.

    My understanding is that they are reasonably accurate as long as there is no heavy crosswind and the person using it is familiar with firing them.

    200m = hitting window/specific room of building.

    600m = getting the building.

    1,000m is ballistic range where the only thing you will likely hit is the ground.

    Same idea here.

    Thanks, guys. Again what time of the day / night did this happen??
    About 6 in the morning from memory.

    Basurin has said that they are investigating whether it might have been pre-planted explosives.
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    Post  franco on Sun Feb 12, 2017 2:20 pm

    Ukrainian TV: The Russian economy is almost in tatters, should be slightly doterpet
    February 11, 2017

    "Russian troops" will this year have to leave the Donbass, and the Ukrainian army will go there without fighting. This was on Ukrainian TV channel NewsOne said adviser "minister temporarily occupied territories," Yuri Grymchak .

    "Our society is not ready to lay down their arms. If we analyze the overall situation, they can not keep the territories and will be forced to withdraw troops from there. Because Russia's economic and financial condition will not allow this situation to keep. Therefore, we must stop talking about the fact that Ukraine should fulfill the conditions of the Russian Federation, to give up, and there will be peace. Peace will come, but later and on terms that are now defending Ukraine ", - said Grymchak.

    This is the conclusion he came to, after analyzing the report of the Central Bank of Russia.

    "If you read it, the amount of foreign currency loans increased much more than exchange earnings. In fact, resistance Russian financial system twice exceeds the threshold. There's still a lot of things. If we analyze the entire array of information, it can be concluded that the very people rush dodavit Ukraine, so we accepted the terms that are disadvantageous for us ", - said Grymchak.
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    Post  franco on Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:56 pm

    Interesting read;

    http://thesaker.is/a-possible-shift-in-the-russian-position-on-novorussia/
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    Post  franco on Sun Feb 12, 2017 3:58 pm

    And speaking of sleeping with vipers;

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/02/volunteer-anti-banderite-patrols-sweep.html
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    Post  franco on Sun Feb 12, 2017 6:33 pm

    ET please call home! dunno

    Ukrainian scouts did not return from a mission

    Ukrainian security forces for more than a day are not a military group data, to carry out tasks in the Luhansk region, reports RIA News .
    Last night, the channel "112 Ukraine" with reference to the press officer of the tactical group "Mariupol" reported that "during the day (11 February) a group of soldiers are not returned to the job."
    "We know that a group of soldiers performed the task of monitoring the front edge of our position. It is now known that the soldiers did not come to communicate, "- he said the officer, promised that" any 100% reliable information "on the subject will be provided to the media.
    In the press center specified that this group is one of the intelligence units.
    It is also reported that the missing soldiers are trying to get in touch, in addition, "to the place where they were supposed to be, we headed the search team."
    Meanwhile, the official release of the command ATO no information about the missing reconnaissance not.
    "In general, it recorded 59 attacks. Unfortunately, two of our soldiers were wounded ", - stated in the staff.
    Earlier in the People's Militia LC claimed that the command APU hiding the facts of death of their personnel, recording them deserters. For example, in early January, the representative of the military department of the republic Andrei Marochko said that "in the 24 th Brigade of the Armed Forces of Ukraine voluntarily leave including 240 soldiers."

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