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    The Situation in the Ukraine. #26

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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:00 am

    Zakharchenko will be the next to bite the dust.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:09 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:

    This is why i want United russia to lose to KPRF.

    Not gonna happen.

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    No justice, no mercy, no giving fucks about the west.
    Not gonna happen.

    Just give up your false hope. It's wasting your time supporting Donbass. They just aren't prioritized very high like Crimea was.

    In what a disgusting right wing anti-slavic world we live in...
    Not anti-Slavic. The killers of Givi are most likely Slavs themselves.

    That is the point. The slavic world is killing itself due to anglosaxon oligarchic manipulation.

    Also, I ask again, why are only socialists killed, and not monarchists or oligarchic puppets?
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev on Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:10 am

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:"United Russia", yet they turn a blind eye on the ethnic cleansing of Russians by a terrorist nation. So much for "uniting" Russians.
    It's sad. It's better to try to mentally detach yourself from Donbass. Rooting for a loser is too distressing, especially if you have your emotions involved.
    The loser is the whole of Russia since a terrorist oligarchic regime will cement itself on Russian borders.
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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:33 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:

    That is the point. The slavic world is killing itself due to anglosaxon oligarchic manipulation.
    I disagree. The Slavs are killing each other due to their own stupidity.

    Russia and Ukraine would have only to gain from good relations and economic cooperation. And Russia and Ukraine have only to lose from war, violence and hatred. But they chose the latter. Nobody forced them to choose it.

    And quit blaming the West. The Westerners are not pulling the triggers and firing the artilleries. The Slavs are doing it themselves.

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    Also, I ask again, why are only socialists killed, and not monarchists or oligarchic puppets?
    Good question.
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    Post  Regular on Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:36 am

    Givi is as much slavic as bottle of borjomi.
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    Post  Vann7 on Wed Feb 08, 2017 10:38 am

    This shows again the level of incompetence of Russia government in protecting
    Novorosiya leaders. WHy the hell the Russian military does allow commando groups to freely 
    travel in Donetsk or Lugansk without being stopped?  This scream incompetence and mediocre
    security in Pro Russian forces.  No idea what the hell is Putin waiting to protect the commanders
    of Novorosiya from Ukraine/NATO terror groups. Donetsk and Lugansk is not like those are very large zones , and a few hundred cameras could keep tracked all roads in eastern ukraine and any
    movement of sabotage groups or traitors.  Indeed this is total stupidity of Russian government.
    If a few more leaders are killed , this could threaten the entire operation .  Hopefully the incompetent Putin will get tired of being humiliated by the west again and again and provide
    security to the leaders in eatern Ukraine.  All this things only serve to raise the morale of the
    ukraine terrorist in kiev and continue. For Sure this terror operations are done by Private military 
    from NATO countries.
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    Post  Godric on Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:00 am

    R.I.P Givi

    first the murder/assassination of Motorola and now the assassination of Givi this just goes proves who the real terrorists are and it sure as hell ain't the NAF it is vermin like porky and his US/UK/Nato backers
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    Post  Karl Haushofer on Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:05 am

    Godric wrote:R.I.P Givi

    first the murder/assassination of Motorola and now the assassination of Givi this just goes proves who the real terrorists are and it sure as hell ain't the NAF it is vermin like porky and his US/UK/Nato backers

    We have known for years who the real terrorists are, but it doesn't matter because the terrorists have a free hand to do their thing. They will not be punished now nor later.
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    Post  Regular on Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:38 am

    Vann7 wrote:This shows again the level of incompetence of Russia government in protecting
    Novorosiya leaders. WHy the hell the Russian military does allow commando groups to freely 
    travel in Donetsk or Lugansk without being stopped?  This scream incompetence and mediocre
    security in Pro Russian forces.  No idea what the hell is Putin waiting to protect the commanders
    of Novorosiya from Ukraine/NATO terror groups. Donetsk and Lugansk is not like those are very large zones , and a few hundred cameras could keep tracked all roads in eastern ukraine and any
    movement of sabotage groups or traitors.  Indeed this is total stupidity of Russian government.
    If a few more leaders are killed , this could threaten the entire operation .  Hopefully the incompetent Putin will get tired of being humiliated by the west again and again and provide
    security to the leaders in eatern Ukraine.  All this things only serve to raise the morale of the
    ukraine terrorist in kiev and continue. For Sure this terror operations are done by Private military 
    from NATO countries.
    Assuming Russian government cares about people like Givi. And no it won't change nothing on battlefield. NAF evolved.
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    Post  franco on Wed Feb 08, 2017 12:53 pm

    Zakharchenko says it was with a flamethrower (RPO)


    https://sputniknews.com/europe/201702081050462597-donbass-militia-commander-killed/
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    Post  Firebird on Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:25 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Firebird wrote:if Givi has been killed that would be very sad news.

    But if Novorossiyan commanders keep getting killed, why aren't we seeing tit for tat killings?
    I'm thinking Yarosh, Twatsenyuk, Porkshops, and why not vermin like Farion for good measure?

    You seriously asking this question?

    None of the assassinations in Donbass have been avenged. None.

    The sad truth is that the Kremlin just doesn't care about Donbass that much. Those Russians who went there to fight died for nothing. Like Motorola. He should have stayed in Russia. He just lost his life for nothing.

    I think the Kremlin wants an effectively independent Novorossiya. And a federalised former Ukraine - under a new name. But the latter will take quite a while.

    Atleast Novorossiya has killed a nice number of Nazi scum. But its puzzling why the leaders of the vermin aren't getting hit. Hopefully, time will catch up with them in the future.
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    Post  Firebird on Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:26 pm

    Karl Haushofer wrote:
    Firebird wrote:With all these Lvovite Nazi vermin being killed.
    You got this wrong.

    It is the Lvovite Nazi vermin killing Russians, not Russians killing them.

    Russians always suffer the biggest casualties in every war, even in this war. Kremlin is just watching Nazis killing ethnic Russians in Ukraine.

    I'm assuming its Lvovite Nazi scum killing people like Givi etc, rather than Russians/infighting in Novorossiya.
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    Post  Regular on Wed Feb 08, 2017 1:54 pm

    There is simply no one on Ukrainian side that was close to Motorola fame. Ukrainians tend to live short life in a front.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:05 pm

    I'm beginning to think that there is a traitor in their midst. A rat.
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    Post  Benya on Wed Feb 08, 2017 4:09 pm

    Video of OSCE fleeing from Lugansk.



    It is also reported that armored bridgelayers (possibly MTU-20s/MTU-55s or maybe MTU-72s) belonging to the UAF have been seen near the village of Stanitsa Luganska (10 kilometers northeast from Lugansk), near the bank of the Donets river.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:06 pm

    Have y'all seen this?

    Leader of Ukrainian Radical Party issues nuclear ultimatum after Trump revokes his visa

    http://www.fort-russ.com/2017/02/the-leader-of-ukrainian-radical-party.html

    February 7, 2017 - Fort Russ News


    Oleg Lyashko, Facebook - Translated by Kristina Kharlova

    My 10-year U.S. visa, which I just got before the New Year was just revoked. The consular officer said that he had such instructions from Washington.

    And I have instructions from the Ukrainian people - to demand that the US fulfills its obligations to Ukraine under the Budapest Memorandum, otherwise Ukraine will have to restore nuclear weapons to protect itself.

    Also, we strongly condemn the new IMF memorandum, which preserves the status of Ukraine as a resource colony. I think it is because I stand for the national interests of Ukraine, not Moscow or Washington, the unprecedented decision to revoke my visa was made.

    Good-bye, America!

    I will pay a visit when Ukrainians will choose me as their President. And now instead of visiting US, I will visit our people who need not a visa or a visa-free regime but work and a decent life.

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    Post  Guest on Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:27 pm

    Cowboy's daughter wrote:I'm beginning to think that there is a traitor in their midst. A rat.

    Would get suprised how far couple thousand USD can get you.
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    Post  KoTeMoRe on Wed Feb 08, 2017 5:39 pm

    That's why warriors need perpetual war. Once the party is over, they set their own party. This is simply someone cleaning the ranks and making sure there's only martyrs and heroes to remember. It's sad but it was going to happen this way, Donbass isn't stable yet and it won't be until Ukrainians give up their Euro-topia.

    On a side note, Givi, like Motorola weren't hiding or protecting themselves. They were nobodies going through the ranks and rising through conflict. They had no protection, no backers to hold their hand. The moor did his job, the Moor can go indeed.

    Don't forget, this is a civil war, it was bound to turn this way, sooner or later. It's sad, but for people like Moto and Givi who didn't want more than the basic honor of their deeds, there was no future in whatever becomes of the Donbass this year. IMO they both should have moved to Russia and be done with. They chose to stay on their little mound and pretend everyone was friend and unicorn stuff.

    Sad.
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    Post  auslander on Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:04 pm

    Reports say it was a Schmel and from the looks of his office I believe it. At least he didn't suffer, probably never felt a thing.

    We will never know who did it.
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    Post  medo on Wed Feb 08, 2017 6:43 pm

    RIP Givi. Novorussian army will have to mobilize their forces and bring them to the front to strike on ukropistan army. Porosenko want a war, let him get the war. This is the only way to liberate whole novorussian territory and than to destroy all those ukronazi terrorist groups.
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    Post  eehnie on Wed Feb 08, 2017 8:38 pm

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:That is the point. The slavic world is killing itself due to anglosaxon oligarchic manipulation.

    Also, I ask again, why are only socialists killed, and not monarchists or oligarchic puppets?

    The worst enemies of the pro-Western people involved in this war are always the socialists. Not casual. They are all rabid anti-socialists.

    Look here, and look to who is trying to distract the attention to Russian internal conspiracy theories that have not basis. Then you wil know who is defending here. the people who really did it.
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    Post  Cowboy's daughter on Wed Feb 08, 2017 11:55 pm

    auslander wrote:Reports say it was a Schmel and from the looks of his office I believe it. At least he didn't suffer, probably never felt a thing.

    We will never know who did it.

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    Post  Godric on Thu Feb 09, 2017 12:22 am

    Nadia Savchenko attacked Porky for killing Givi .... in all fairness she is taking a massive risk


    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/nadia-savchenko-attacks-ukraines-president-killing-donbass-rebel-givi/ri18864
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    Post  Regular on Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:41 am

    Nadiya is proving to be great asset. Ukrainian masses love her, Poro and co want her dead.
    She recognizes Crimea as Russian and she is willing to have dialog with separatists. She also want peaceful resolution of this conflict.
    This dike already been called out for treason and I will not be surprised if she will end up burned at the stake.
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Feb 09, 2017 1:46 am

    Godric wrote:Nadia Savchenko attacked Porky for killing Givi .... in all fairness she is taking a massive risk


    http://russia-insider.com/en/politics/nadia-savchenko-attacks-ukraines-president-killing-donbass-rebel-givi/ri18864

    I am surprised indeed with this move. Either that hunger strike affected her brain or that FSB brainwashing was successful beyond all expectations.

    Either way she is taking massive risk. Only reason she is still alive is potential media backlash.

    I do wonder where all this comes from?

    As for Givi and Motorola my guess is that it is result of their very visible status. Neither was taking precautions and were always ''out there'' which made them easy targets.

    Ukrainians can't accomplish anything militarily so these assassinations are consolation prizes, something to show to public in order to deflect from constant defeats.

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