Russian Sniper Rifles and Units

GarryB wrote:

why 10secs if 2km/s? 1-2 sec is max what you need after 2 seconds your projectile travels with 4kms from muzzle and has 2km/s velocity. After 5km you likely still have 1km/s i.e. Ek=33kJ

What are you talking about?

Even a dumb projectile can be fired at 1km/s, what we are talking about are projectiles with their own propulsion to add to the speed after they leave the muzzle.

please re-red again. I ws replying to your thesis bout 10 seconds work of engine.

GB wrote:]
A normal unpowered projectile like a standard 14.5 x 114mm round leaves the muzzle at 1km/s
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With a scramjet motor on board providing forward thrust rather than slowing down as soon as it leaves the muzzle, over the first km it moves it might actually accelerate to 2km/s... so instead of moving 1km in one and a half seconds and the second km in 3-4 seconds... so 4-5 seconds to get to 2km range... it might get to the first km in less than one second and the second kilometre in less than two seconds because it is actually accelerating instead of rapidly decelerating...

that was precisely  what I was saying.

GB wrote:If the scramjet can generate thrust for 10 seconds is way to ambitious... perhaps 5 seconds is more realistic with a powdered fuel burning in the airflow flowing through the projectile as it moves generating positive thrust initially for the first second or maybe two, and then just enough thrust to overcome drag and maintain speed at 2km/s, then in 5 seconds of flight it should manage 8-9km range at 2km/s...

IMHO it is too ambitious. With verge speed 1,5kms you travel 4 seconds 5-6km . Not whole path needs to be powered  tho. imagine 1-2 seconds time. 2 seconds is lredy 3 km after muzzle while you still have high kinetic energy. I just wonder how they plan to make it guided? or it is wrong assumption? projectile is xtremly fast but not controllable. The whole smart-assnes is in ballistic computer?

GB wrote:

they're still there, terrorized, killed, humiliated on daily basis by "pro- European" and openly US Nazi scum. As old generation dies out new is brainwashed as-ClintonerJugend ...

Well they can bend or they can stand up... easy to say, not so easy to actually do. They should get a say in the next election, but that would assume those in power will let them have a say.

who is to stand up? 80 yo vets ? or hungry people with families? people are scared and hungry. in nazi run police state? in 2014 2nd my 40 people burned alive in trade union house.

BTW in Poland ow every low pid job seem to be taken by Ukrainians (like highway gas stations, services, cleaning ) . They're no nazis, normal people trying to survive collapse of own state. Although after say 6-8 months they speak Polish with only slight accent, so far none of them rejected to use Russian.
Form first hand - I've conducted testing . They were pretty happy somebody talking with them in their own language...



This elections can be interesting. Russian might not recognize new president or new president migh tbe not so pro US more pro Ukrainian.

I wonder if both projects are related?

BTW this "rocked sniper rifle" to me will look more like this then SPG-9



would go nicely with new exoskeletons...

Hypersonic cartridges are under development in Russia

According to the designer of the SLVK-14S “Dusk” ultra-long-range rifle, Vladislav Lobayev, such a cartridge will not only allow you to accurately hit targets at a distance of over 6 kilometers, but to penetrate the “enemy” armored equipment even from long distances according to the designer of the long-distance rifle SLVK-14S "Twilight" Vladislav Lobaeva, this cartridge will allow you not only to accurately hit targets at a distance of over 6 kilometers, but to penetrate armored vehicles of the "enemy" even from great distances.

Today in Russia they are developing hypersonic ammo and weapons. This was told by Vladislav Lobaev, the designer of the long range rifle SLVK-14S "Twilight" and the General designer Lobaev Arms.

According to him, the company, being the designer of ultra-long arms, has now reached a record of their attempts at the absolute physical limit in the sense of external ballistics rifle. Currently, the Americans belongs the record of 5500 meters, and exceed it by only hitting a target at ranges of 6 kilometers. This shot is almost impossible to produce using cartridge based on the same principles.

"Opportunities offered by such a weapon, absolutely unique.
They are for a while reset personal protective equipment,
also there will be no issues of penetration of light armored vehicles even from long distances," said the designer.

According to Lobaeva, currently the company Lobaev Arms conducts such studies in the initiative order at the expense of own means, but not as fast due to lack of funding.

"But sooner or later we dalhem, even if in terms of having to
oppose the Americans in this informal competition," he said.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201903120204-e99t.htm

please re-red again. I ws replying to your thesis bout 10 seconds work of engine.

My purpose of powered flight for several seconds is to keep the trajectory flat to simplify aiming issues and reduce time of flight of projectile to target and less time inside cross winds etc.

IMHO it is too ambitious.

The goal is not enormous speed, it is the length of time of operation... the longer the scramjet operates the longer the projectile defies friction and maintains speed for longer the further it will go and the faster it will get there.

There is no point in being able to shoot at targets 6-7km away if it takes 20 seconds for the round to get there... that is too long to hit targets that could move at any time.

With verge speed 1,5kms you travel 4 seconds 5-6km . Not whole path needs to be powered  tho. imagine 1-2 seconds time. 2 seconds is lredy 3 km after muzzle while you still have high kinetic energy. I just wonder how they plan to make it guided? or it is wrong assumption? projectile is xtremly fast but not controllable. The whole smart-assnes is in ballistic computer?

The problem with putting some form of guidance in the projectile means some sort of sensor or signal connection is needed and the projectile becomes more complicated... having  a high speed flat shooting bullet that follows a specific path... like a dumb bomb with a G&T bombing system keeps costs down and as long as very high speed can be achieved there is less scope for variations in the projectile and the target between firing and impact.

who is to stand up? 80 yo vets ? or hungry people with families? people are scared and hungry. in nazi run police state? in 2014 2nd my 40 people burned alive in trade union house.

They don't need to stand up, they can enjoy their new democracy with American stamp of approval and learn to hate jews... I am sure once they have finished bullying them they will feed them and keep them warm over winter... nazis do that you know.

Didn't you know... you get the government you deserve and if you do nothing... the stupidest fucking idiots will take over the job... court appointed lawyers are smart and professional in comparison...

Those weren't people that burned in that building... they were pro putin Russians so it is OK to burn them... you have seen the western media... you know the score by now surely.

BTW in Poland ow every low pid job seem to be taken by Ukrainians (like highway gas stations, services, cleaning ) . They're no nazis, normal people trying to survive collapse of own state. Although after say 6-8 months they speak Polish with only slight accent, so far none of them rejected to use Russian.
Form first hand - I've conducted testing . They were pretty happy somebody talking with them in their own language...

So they ran away from the problem, and that is perfectly normal... it solved all their job prospect problems too... are you going to call the cowards and tell them to go back to the Ukraine and fight those nazis properly for those vets and those hungry families that had no chance to escape yet... I would not judge them for what they are doing, but I still don't understand why you think that means Putin should invade and fix everything for a group of people who call themselves Ukrainian even if they speak Russian.

Where is a Ukrainian hero that can tell the US and EU to fuck off when they should, who can balance ties with all their neighbours instead of picking a side in this ongoing and totally pointless cold war between the EU and the US on the one hand and Russia and China on the other...

Maybe the future of the Ukraine is to shrivel up an die as the good people leave to either the EU or Russia and the bad people stay to exploit the poor people unable to leave like Nazi vampires.

This elections can be interesting. Russian might not recognize new president or new president migh tbe not so pro US more pro Ukrainian.

The only mistake I think Putin has made is recognising Poro as the leader of the Ukraine... he was not voted in in a free and fair election in all of the Ukraine, so why recognise Americas puppet, especially his actions against parts of his country who don't accept his seizing power illegally.

I wonder if both projects are related?

BTW this "rocked sniper rifle" to me will look more like this then SPG-9

They are almost certainly related... very high velocity projectiles, but as mentioned previously the amount of energy needed to launch such a projectile at such high speeds means a big weapon with a lot of gas power... we are likely talking about a 23 x 152mm round to accelerate a smaller calibre projectile to these sorts of speeds with a projectile weight and space for propulsion to maintain or even increase flight speed on the way to the target...

Of course there was mention of new propellents using new chemical properties and new levels of energy... perhaps an EM assisted round or brand new aerodynamic design for new material projectiles with special structures that act like scramjet motors... maybe even laser sensing tips that bend towards a laser illuminated target for guided target engagement... very high speed flight reducing the target marking time to perhaps a few miliseconds to allow the projectile to maneouver in the last kilometre of flight to hit a human sized target... projectile size, speed and weight ensuring a guaranteed kill at extended ranges...

Kalashnikov gunmaker to launch production of new sniper rifle in 2020

The Lebedev handgun is in serial production, according to the developer

MOSCOW, November 27. /TASS/. The Kalashnikov Group gunmaker plans to launch the production of a new SVCh sniper rifle next year, Group CEO Dmitry Tarasov said on Wednesday.

"Today it is very important to timely start the production of items. For example, last year, Izhmash [part of the Kalashnikov Group] timely launched the production of AK-12 assault rifles. Next year, this will, indeed, be the SVCh for the 7.62 x 54 mm round while the Lebedev handgun is already in serial production," the Kalashnikov Media quoted him as saying.

The Chukovin semi-automatic sniper rifle (abbreviated as the SVCh in Russian) has been developed for the 7.62 x 54 mm and 7.62 x 51 mm rounds (the latter is also known as the .308 Win cartridge). In its 7.62 x 54 mm caliber, the SVCh is compatible with the magazines from the SVD (Dragunov sniper rifle).

The Kalashnikov Group, the maker of the renowned AK-47 assault rifle, is Russia’s major producer of combat automatic and sniper guns, guided artillery shells and a broad range of precision weapons.


https://tass.com/defense/1093443

From Twitter user AbraxasSpa:

"Allegedly Flag of Russia FSB "Alpha" snipers in Syria. Suppressed rifle looks like a LOBAEV Arms DVL-10M "Saboteur" in .40 Lobaev Whisper + thermal scope (Legat?), and a couple of DXL-3 "Longstrike" in .338LM"

https://twitter.com/AbraxasSpa/status/1231864109462847488







http://lobaevarms.com/products/dvl10-tactical-sniper-rifle/
http://lobaevarms.com/products/dxl3-long-range-sniper-rifle/

GunshipDemocracy wrote:I wonder if both projects are related?

BTW this "rocked sniper rifle" to me will look more like this then SPG-9



would go nicely with new exoskeletons...

Hypersonic cartridges are under development in Russia

According to the designer of the SLVK-14S “Dusk” ultra-long-range rifle, Vladislav Lobayev, such a cartridge will not only allow you to accurately hit targets at a distance of over 6 kilometers, but to penetrate the “enemy” armored equipment even from long distances according to the designer of the long-distance rifle SLVK-14S "Twilight" Vladislav Lobaeva, this cartridge will allow you not only to accurately hit targets at a distance of over 6 kilometers, but to penetrate armored vehicles of the "enemy" even from great distances.

Today in Russia they are developing hypersonic ammo and weapons. This was told by Vladislav Lobaev, the designer of the long range rifle SLVK-14S "Twilight" and the General designer Lobaev Arms.

According to him, the company, being the designer of ultra-long arms, has now reached a record of their attempts at the absolute physical limit in the sense of external ballistics rifle. Currently, the Americans belongs the record of 5500 meters, and exceed it by only hitting a target at ranges of 6 kilometers. This shot is almost impossible to produce using cartridge based on the same principles.

"Opportunities offered by such a weapon, absolutely unique.
They are for a while reset personal protective equipment,
also there will be no issues of penetration of light armored vehicles even from long distances," said the designer.

According to Lobaeva, currently the company Lobaev Arms conducts such studies in the initiative order at the expense of own means, but not as fast due to lack of funding.

"But sooner or later we dalhem, even if in terms of having to
oppose the Americans in this informal competition," he said.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201903120204-e99t.htm

Yet more fallout of the 500% combustion rate increase of solid propellants thanks to copper nanoparticles. Take the normal and make it abnormal.

This is an interesting could have been... in the late 1980s the TKb-145K was developed... it is a bullpup design sniper rifle in 6x49mm calibre.

It was intended to extend effective range to 1.2km over the 800m effective range of the SVD.

It was supposed to be compact so it actually folded to reduce its length for use by airborne and armoured forces.

Very interesting weapon...







Note this was not an attempt at a universal cartridge... it is intended to replace the 7.62 x 54Rmm round used by machine guns and sniper rifles, but was expected to be used together with the 5.45x39mm calibre rifles and light machine guns.

In terms of round size it is very similar to the civilian .243 which is a 7.62x51mm NATO round/shell case necked down to a smaller 6mm calibre projectile.

The Soviet round was designed for very high pressures though and high muzzle velocities too.

kvs wrote:

GunshipDemocracy wrote:I wonder if both projects are related?

BTW this "rocked sniper rifle" to me will look more like this then SPG-9



would go nicely with new exoskeletons...

Hypersonic cartridges are under development in Russia

According to the designer of the SLVK-14S “Dusk” ultra-long-range rifle, Vladislav Lobayev, such a cartridge will not only allow you to accurately hit targets at a distance of over 6 kilometers, but to penetrate the “enemy” armored equipment even from long distances according to the designer of the long-distance rifle SLVK-14S "Twilight" Vladislav Lobaeva, this cartridge will allow you not only to accurately hit targets at a distance of over 6 kilometers, but to penetrate armored vehicles of the "enemy" even from great distances.

Today in Russia they are developing hypersonic ammo and weapons. This was told by Vladislav Lobaev, the designer of the long range rifle SLVK-14S "Twilight" and the General designer Lobaev Arms.

According to him, the company, being the designer of ultra-long arms, has now reached a record of their attempts at the absolute physical limit in the sense of external ballistics rifle. Currently, the Americans belongs the record of 5500 meters, and exceed it by only hitting a target at ranges of 6 kilometers. This shot is almost impossible to produce using cartridge based on the same principles.

"Opportunities offered by such a weapon, absolutely unique.
They are for a while reset personal protective equipment,
also there will be no issues of penetration of light armored vehicles even from long distances," said the designer.

According to Lobaeva, currently the company Lobaev Arms conducts such studies in the initiative order at the expense of own means, but not as fast due to lack of funding.

"But sooner or later we dalhem, even if in terms of having to
oppose the Americans in this informal competition," he said.

https://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201903120204-e99t.htm

Yet more fallout of the 500% combustion rate increase of solid propellants thanks to copper nanoparticles.     Take the normal and make it abnormal.

I'm not sure that's the case here. Lobaev is a private company that at one time moved operations to the UAE (thanks to the grass-is-greener syndrome) but failed to succeed in that market. It turns out that many military contracts are won from cronyism, and not simply by performance specs alone, a lesson Lobaev found out the hard way. If they were tied to the leading design bureaus and their bleeding edge scientific developments, MOD would of never allowed them to leave.

Lobaev was nothing special. While they made good bolt action rifles, majority of the components were foreign (Israel) for whatever reason. Maybe to make it expensive and sound great. In reality, it was a good but very expensive rifle. When they moved production to UAE, someone else stepped up in Russia - Orsis. Which makes the T-5000 rifle. The said rifle is about the same quality as the Lobaev rifles while being fully inhouse and using mostly domestic components (or all). And it was cheaper too. It became a rather popular rifle not only in Russia but abroad as well with Vietnam, Iraq and others using the rifle.

I am not going to counter-argue about Lobaev, but the flurry of hypersonic munitions is rather peculiar.

I notice on their official export website ( http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/Hunting%20and%20sport%20weapons/ ) they have a section for hunting and sporting weapons which seems to consist of Orsis products in a wide range of interesting looking bolt action rifles.


...it taunts me of course because it has 5.6 x 39mm ammo for sale there too:

http://roe.ru/eng/catalog/Hunting%20and%20sport%20weapons/Munitions_GSO/5.6%20%D1%85%2039%20hunting%20cartridge/

I suspect hypersonic powered projectiles for rifles is an area that would not be allowed for export or public sale for a while.

Dont know if this was posted here before but I am assuming that the sniper rifle with hypersonic speeds being the successor of the Sumrak is called the DXL-5.

https://www.rbth.com/science-and-tech/332377-russia-creates-7km-range-sniper-rifle

It is set to be the longest-range special forces weapon in the world firing hypersonic bullets, and will serve all branches of the military.
A couple of hours by car from Moscow lies the little town of Tarusa, where a small one-storey building displays a sign reading Lobaev Arms. At first glance, it seems unremarkable, but behind its doors is a factory that manufactures some of the most powerful sniper rifles in the world.

Here, in early June 2020, production began on the world's first sniper rifle able to hit targets at a distance of 6-7 km (the current record of 4.217 km also belongs to the Lobaev Arms company with its SVLK-14 Sumrak rifle). The development, designated DXL-5, will be the only weapon allowing operatives to destroy an enemy beyond the horizon line of a standing shooter.

The developer, Vlad Lobaev, explains that from the vantage point of a hillock or the second or third floor of an apartment building (an elevation of roughly 10 m), the field of vision is greater than 11 km. The higher the viewpoint, naturally, the farther the horizon line.

What we know about the DXL-5
The DXL-5 is an ideological and technological advancement of the SVLK-14S rifle, which was nicknamed the Sumrak (Twilight) due to its ghoulish power.

“The Sumrak is custom-made, like a Ferrari or Porsche, for connoisseurs of high-precision guns and professional shooters who compete at long range,” Yuri Sinichkin, chief engineer of Lobaev Arms, told Russia Beyond.

The Sumrak was built for .408 CheyTac cartridges (10.3x77 mm), which exit the barrel at a speed of over 900 m/s. Moreover, a new type of powder-charge ammunition is being developed for the DXL-5, which will enable the bullet to fly at five or more times the speed of sound (greater than 1,500 m/s).

This is needed because a bullet flying at 900 m/s arrives at the target after eight seconds, giving the enemy time to escape and make a cup of coffee. Therefore, to ensure the coffee never gets drunk, the new high-precision rifle needs ammunition that flies at no less than 1.5 km/s.

“Such a projectile can pierce 3cm-thick metal. Imagine what would happen if it hit a human being? No body armor would help,” noted the engineer.

The future cartridge is intended to destroy an enemy wearing sixth-class protection body armor (the most resistant). Such armor can be broached only by a WWII anti-tank rifle (such as the 14.5mm Simonov anti-tank semiautomatic) or something similar in terms of power, not range or accuracy.

The DXL-5 set to break the world record is being developed as a one-off collector’s item, similar to a luxury car. The standard model will also operate at ultra-long distances of approximately 5 km.

“Training operatives to take out terrorists at a range of 2-2.5 km will require at least 2-3 years. Our rifle will turn the long-range elimination of enemies into a routine task, and simplify it in the extreme. That was indeed the purpose: to make professional operations more efficient and easier,” added Lobaev.

Due to the COVID-19 lockdown, he explains, factory trials of the new DXL-5 are being moved from the fall to winter 2020. As soon as the new rifle proves its effectiveness and technical capabilities, a special commission will be invited to the trials to witness the world record attempt.

At the same time, Lobaev Arms’ developments are not classified as top-secret and, unlike the AK-12, can be purchased individually and put into service with any unit. As for what the army version of the DXL-5 will look like, and how much it will cost for foreign buyers, all will become clear in early 2021 following technical and military tests.

Civilian version of OSV-96 sniper rifle has entered production

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/134759/



Now I assume you may have question or two about this piece of news but rest assured that I definitely don't have answers to them

PapaDragon wrote:
Civilian version of OSV-96 sniper rifle has entered production

https://sdelanounas.ru/blogs/134759/



Now I assume you may have question or two about this piece of news but rest assured that I definitely don't have answers to them

Civilian as in police tactical squads. Not Joe Blow on the street. I do not think owning a sniper rifle is legal in Canada. Don't know enough about
the clown show south of the border.

Just for hunting. You can shoot deer deep inside the woods withput leaving your house. Which is great news for the mostly overweight american.

Actually it would be legal here because it has a 5 round magazine...

I will take two please...

Just for hunting. You can shoot deer deep inside the woods withput leaving your house. Which is great news for the mostly overweight american

Large numbers of gun owners have never shot an animal... there are plenty of guys who just shoot targets... this would be interesting for long range shooting.

Speaking of large rifles for hunting I really want to go on a hunt with a PTRS-41 or even the 23mm RES if I can get my hands on one.

The-thing-next-door wrote:Speaking of large rifles for hunting I really want to go on a hunt with a PTRS-41 or even the 23mm RES if I can get my hands on one.

What are you hunting? A Trex?

Werewolf wrote:

The-thing-next-door wrote:Speaking of large rifles for hunting I really want to go on a hunt with a PTRS-41 or even the 23mm RES if I can get my hands on one.

What are you hunting? A Trex?

He is probably tired of having to also cook the animal after he shoots it

PapaDragon wrote:

Werewolf wrote:

The-thing-next-door wrote:Speaking of large rifles for hunting I really want to go on a hunt with a PTRS-41 or even the 23mm RES if I can get my hands on one.

What are you hunting? A Trex?

He is probably tired of having to also cook the animal after he shoots it

Apparently he is also tired of taking its guts out and cutting it into pieces.

Sure 15 or 20 23mm HE rounds should do all of the above.

Medium rare Trex Steak. Yummi

I suppose I am glad no one mentioned tourist season is coming and some of them are rather big...

As long as the gun does not go boom why not own a tank?

Most are just very very heavy tractors anyway... and it makes air shows fun...

I personally would like a 2S7 Pion...

A laser neutralizer for sniper optics "SOSNA-N" has been created in Russia
The modified SOSNA-N detection system will be able to neutralize snipers.


Kazan holding "Shvabe" (part of the state corporation Rostec) has presented a neutralizer for sniper and observation optics "SOSNA-N" on the website. It could also be seen at the Army 2020 forum.

It is an improved version of the previous development "SOSNA". The device, scanning the terrain with a narrowly directed infrared laser beam, can detect an optical device at a distance of up to 2500 meters.

The new SOSNA-N system is also capable of creating visual interference with laser radiation. For example, to interfere with the work of enemy snipers, spotters, gunners of anti-tank missile systems.

The neutralizer can be used not only for military purposes, but also to ensure the safety of important objects and persons.

https://rg.ru/2020/09/02/reg-pfo/v-rossii-sozdali-lazernyj-nejtralizator-snajperskoj-optiki-sosna-n.html

The work of snipers of the Southern Military District during the Kavkaz-2020 at the Prudboy training ground