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    Post  Hole Fri Aug 21, 2020 7:44 pm

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    Reminds me of this
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    Post  Isos Fri Aug 21, 2020 9:49 pm

    UK had the same idea for the Malvinas war and didn't go well...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Aug 22, 2020 11:36 pm

    Details: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidaxe/2020/08/22/surprise-the-chinese-navy-just-transformed-this-cargo-ship-into-an-istant-helicopter-carrier/#3ae9222c1d44
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    Post  GarryB Sun Aug 23, 2020 11:29 am

    A cargo ship with a flat top so large helicopters can land is not really the same as a proper helicopter landing ship with 5 times more helicopters and two naval infantry brigades and their armour and four landing ships on board...
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Aug 27, 2020 1:35 am

    https://asiatimes.com/2020/08/china-flexes-at-us-in-four-seas-show-of-force/?mc_cid=4fcea32b9e&mc_eid=5455568640
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Sat Aug 29, 2020 3:32 am

    Whispers of 076, China’s Drone Carrying Assault Carrier


    This type will combine the best features of both LHD & LHA, + will have some from the CV.
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    Post  George1 Sun Aug 30, 2020 3:08 am

    The first prototype of the Chinese AWACS carrier-based aircraft made its first flight


    It is reported that on August 29, 2020, the first prototype of the Chinese carrier-based AWACS and control aircraft made its maiden flight at the Xi'an Aircraft Industrial Corporation airfield in Xi'an.

    The aircraft will be equipped with the KLC-7 aviation radar with an active phased antenna array (AFAR) developed by the Chinese state electronics industry corporation China Electronics Technology Group Corporation (CETC).

    The new Chinese carrier-based AWACS and control system is intended to be included in the air group of a promising Chinese aircraft carrier, which is being built at a shipyard in Shanghai.

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    Post  Tsavo Lion Wed Sep 02, 2020 3:19 am

    New US report on PRC mil. power: 
    https://www.ng.ru/news/688766.html?print=Y

    https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaelpeck/2020/09/01/china-has-the-worlds-largest-navy-and-its-getting-better-pentagon-warns/#60bacf647933


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    Post  Tsavo Lion Tue Sep 08, 2020 8:33 pm

    China flexes new dual-carrier prowess at US
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    Post  walle83 Tue Sep 15, 2020 11:42 pm

    Clear picture of the modified PLAN sovremenny. Looks like the engines are working good. No black smoke there.

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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 16, 2020 12:59 pm

    Clear picture of the modified PLAN sovremenny. Looks like the engines are working good. No black smoke there..

    Troll.

    The only Sovs with smoke problems suffer from attention via Photoshop and western trolls like you...



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    Post  walle83 Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:10 pm

    GarryB wrote:
    Clear picture of the modified PLAN sovremenny. Looks like the engines are working good. No black smoke there..

    Troll.

    The only Sovs with smoke problems suffer from attention via Photoshop and western trolls like you...



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    Troll on your self. I have no western agenda. If anything a very east intrest. If anyone should be called a troll its you..a Russian one. Suspect

    The question was raised earlier if the engines had been updated during the modification of the ships in the class, thats why I posted the picture.

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    By you even it seems....

    "A good idea to keep the guns... they will be very useful supporting landings and with new technology in guided shells they could become rather versatile weapons... if they choose to buy of develop something similar themselves.

    Have heard they had issues with the propulsion... hope that is sorted out too
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    Post  Isos Wed Sep 16, 2020 11:51 pm

    Anyone has a picture of the hangar ? Does that class has one ?

    Btw there is a video of one going under a bridge in the baltic sea, it repainted the bridge in black with its smoke so yeah that ship smkes a lot.
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    Post  GarryB Thu Sep 17, 2020 12:23 pm


    Troll on your self. I have no western agenda. If anything a very east intrest. If anyone should be called a troll its you..a Russian one. Suspect

    The question was raised earlier if the engines had been updated during the modification of the ships in the class, thats why I posted the picture.

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    By you even it seems....

    "A good idea to keep the guns... they will be very useful supporting landings and with new technology in guided shells they could become rather versatile weapons... if they choose to buy of develop something similar themselves.

    Have heard they had issues with the propulsion... hope that is sorted out too."


    Btw there is a video of one going under a bridge in the baltic sea, it repainted the bridge in black with its smoke so yeah that ship smkes a lot.

    Smoke coming out of the smoke stack is not an engine problem, and all ship engines smoke from time to time.

    There were problems with the Sovs engines in terms of reliability and maintenance issues as well, but nothing ever to do with whether it smoked to some western standard that western ships are never held to.

    They are called smoke stacks for a reason, their purpose is to move the smoke emitted from the engines of the ship away from the deck... even if they didn't smoke at all the heat would stand out like a smoke screen on a thermal imaging system to much greater distances than any smoke because smoke is generally cold and very hot plumes of gas don't naturally occur at sea... a good indicator that there is a ship there.

    And I will politely tell you not to call me a troll again.

    You are right, what you did was not trolling... it was flame baiting.

    Anyone has a picture of the hangar ? Does that class has one ?

    Yes, it does.

    A Chinese model:

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    and a Soviet one with the door open:

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    The hangars are small but with the rotors folded the Helix is tiny.
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    Post  Isos Thu Sep 17, 2020 1:44 pm

    But can the helicopter fit inside and close the doors ? I have some doubts about it, it's really small compare to standard hangar on russian ships.
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Fri Sep 18, 2020 6:08 am

    https://news.usni.org/2020/09/17/u-s-admiral-talks-3rd-chinese-aircraft-carrier-go-ahead-and-build-that-big-ship
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    Post  George1 Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:18 pm

    Satellite images of the Chinese naval aviation ground test and training complex

    The original was taken from colleague dambiev in Satellite images of the Chinese ground test and training complex for naval aviation The Chinese complex was built at the Huandikong airfield, located on the shores of the Bohai Bay of the Yellow Sea, eight kilometers south of the city of Xingcheng, Liaoning province and the Xingcheng airfield of the Chinese Naval Academy of Aviation. The construction of the complex began in 2008 and was completed by 2013, although the first takeoff of the prototype J-15 carrier-based fighter from the complex's springboard took place in January 2012.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Sep 18, 2020 2:27 pm

    How many photos have you seen them sailing around with a helicopter sitting on the pad?

    Why waste space with a half hangar where you can poke the nose of the helicopter into it but not enough to shut the doors...?

    That would be odd I would think.

    Helix helicopters are very compact and with their main rotors folded are very small, though they are quite tall.

    Notice the hangar in the bottom photo above... not enormously deep, though quite tall.

    I seem to remember on one ship type the hangar could be extended to fit the helicopter, so the hangars are generally designed to be very compact anyway.
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    Post  Hole Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:29 pm

    It´s this ship class. The hangar of the Sov´s can be extended. You can see the rails in the deck on this pic.
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    Post  Isos Fri Sep 18, 2020 8:53 pm

    Hole wrote:It´s this ship class. The hangar of the Sov´s can be extended. You can see the rails in the deck on this pic.

    I've already seen somewhere written they had a telescopic hangar but never saw pictures of it.

    Gepard class has also a weired semi-hangar.

    And Kirovs have under deck hangars.

    IMO new ships like Gorshkov-M will start getting two more mini-hangars on the sides of the main hangar for drones, unless they put two hangars like on Udaloys.
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    Post  GarryB Sat Sep 19, 2020 2:14 pm

    The mini hangars on new ships may be used for multirole Ka-226T helicopters they are thinking of using... they have modular rear pods like thunderbird 2 I think... but obviously TB2 was not a helicopter.
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    Post  walle83 Tue Oct 06, 2020 11:49 pm

    Searched around for numbers of launched surface vessels last year and the numbers are really crazy.

    2019:
    1 Type 075 LHD
    1 Type 071 LPD
    2 Type 055 destroyers
    8 Type 052D destroyers
    17 Type 56A corvetts

    Thats 29 vessels with a total dicplacement of 166.000+ ton.

    PLA seems also to have stopped or finished some types last year, making it possible to file a gess how large the total fleet will be around 2025.

    Type 54 frigate seems to have ended production in 2018 with 32 ships.
    Type 052D destroyers seems also to have stopped production after one vessel launched in 2020, with a total of 25 ships.
    The larger type 55 seems to be going strong with 8 ships launched so far. Total number by 2025 probably will be around 10-12 finished ships.

    2025 numbers only counting modern vessels launched after 2005 (give or take)

    3 Carriers
    4 LHD
    8 LPD
    40 DDG
    32 FFG
    50 Corvettes
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    Post  Tsavo Lion Thu Oct 08, 2020 9:48 pm

    https://www.janes.com/defence-news/news-detail/images-confirm-china-is-operating-j-15-fighter-aircraft-from-third-batch

    Later they may develop an even bigger version with better performance, &/ their own Su-34-like variant.

    https://nvo.ng.ru/armament/2020-10-09/1_1112_fleet.html?print=Y


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    Post  walle83 Thu Oct 29, 2020 11:17 pm

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