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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 18, 2023 7:08 am

    That scumbag cost the lives of a lot of people... his option of first choice was to invade thinking he had the west on his side and his troops were HATO trained super soldiers and the Russians were helpless idiots...

    He should have been arrested for war crimes... attacking international peacekeepers for a start...

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Aug 28, 2023 9:35 am

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    Post  higurashihougi Tue Oct 03, 2023 6:57 am

    https://www.rt.com/russia/583924-georgia-color-revolution-usaid/

    Ex-Soviet state claims US funding 'violent' color revolution plotters

    Georgia has raised the alarm over USAID-funded 'violent uprising' activists


    According to Georgia’s State Security Service (SUS), three Serbian nationals from the organization called CANVAS arrived in Georgia last week and met with local activists at a Tbilisi hotel to train them how to “overthrow the government by violent means.”

    The “destructive and illegal actions” would target the government, security services, and the Orthodox Church, using techniques such as roadblocks and setting up protest encampments in front of government buildings, the SUS said. CANVAS activists also showed examples from Serbia on how to invade the parliament, take broadcasting services offline, and overthrow the government, according to the security agency.

    When questioned by the SUS on September 29, Sinisa Sikman, Jelena Stoisic, and Slobodan Djinovic allegedly “tried to disguise the real reason for their stay in Georgia” and provided testimonies that contradicted evidence obtained by the investigators. The trio left Georgia the following day.

    Commenting on the SUS report, leader of the ruling Georgian Dream party Irakli Kobakhidze told local media on Monday that the US should explain why it is funding possible unrest in Georgia.

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 29, 2024 3:16 pm

    Big ass color revolution attempt in progress in Georgia, rally from last night got tens of thousands of people onto the street, largest anti-government rally yet






    Not that I particularly care personally. The government there is not pro-Russian, just corrupt and a with a self-preservation instinct. While the law they're enacting is not 'Russian'. It's Georgian. And this whole thing has nothing to do with Russia, we have no dog in the fight here.

    The possibility of losing the EU's visa-waiver not to mention the foreign agents being identified really got them out there Cool

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    Post  TMA1 Mon Apr 29, 2024 5:54 pm

    lol literally mad your own nation will expose outside corruption. People fighting transparency laws. Wtf

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    Post  flamming_python Mon Apr 29, 2024 9:15 pm

    TMA1 wrote:lol literally mad your own nation will expose outside corruption. People fighting transparency laws. Wtf

    Doesn't matter, it's enough to accuse someone of being a Russian agent or taking after Russia or whatever and it's already grounds for drowning them in the lake.

    All the propaganda efforts of the foreign agents have revolved around painting this law as 'Russian', the ruling Georgian Dream parliamentary faction as the 'Russian' dream and as a bunch of traitors to national interests.
    And it's working. Even though this whole thing has literally nothing to do with Russia Laughing

    By all means fellas, do continue

    After this sorry bunch of incompetents is deposed, we'll see if Georgia opens a '2nd front' against Russia as the Ukraine was demanding of it. While the government is in no way pro-Russian, it was acting insubordinate to the EU. Who knows that the NATO plans are here.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Apr 30, 2024 6:36 am

    The really amusing thing is that the law in question is actually based on a US law from the WWII period when they were afraid of Germans and Japanese influence...

    The only link to Russia that Russia adopted a similar law to allow them to deal with foreign funded NGOs trying to subvert their democracy... which is essentially what Georgia is not trying to do too.

    This is US funded colour revolution specialists trying to fight measures to prevent their undemocratic machinations...

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 02, 2024 4:39 am

    lol
    We're really not involved, you know. In fact the last time we had any interaction whatsoever was probably before you were even born. But hey, don't let that stop you  Razz







    Well, cannon-fodder for the upcoming 2nd front I guess

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 02, 2024 5:00 am

    Not so anonymous these days either clown

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    Post  sepheronx Thu May 02, 2024 5:04 am

    Russia should do a total blockade of economics with Georgia and state "If we are the enemy, then you are our enemy and no trade". Georgia would collapse so fast and no one would be able to come and help them.

    I mean, yeah these people are retarded. But words don't describe how dumb they are.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 02, 2024 5:37 am

    Yup

    But let's wait for the government there to fall and the new one to do something stupid (and it will) first. The cause and effect sequence has to be demonstrated.

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 02, 2024 6:33 am

    Check this guy out Laughing

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 02, 2024 7:00 am

    Georgian protestor standing up to the police defending the Russian law in Georgia Razz

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    Post  flamming_python Thu May 02, 2024 2:04 pm

    The next bunch of down-syndrome patients who just can't leave Russia alone  pwnd









    Yup, yup, you're all fucking retarded cheers

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    Post  lancelot Thu May 02, 2024 4:17 pm

    While they are at it, they should put a law in place to prevent foreign agents, like the French born Georgian President, from running for public office.
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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 03, 2024 5:57 am

    The Russophobe is not being Russophobic enough clown

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    Post  GarryB Fri May 03, 2024 9:09 am

    Georgia is only a threat to itself... Russia needs to learn that Europe is hostile towards them and that this is not going to change any time soon so stop travelling to Europe and stop going to Georgia on holidays.

    Turkey is not sanctioning Russia and it is trading with Russia so go to Turkey if you want but most western countries think you are evil and are clearly very afraid that your influence might overthrow their colonial masters in the US, so be a nice neighbour and ignore them.

    Most of these countries traditionally traded with Russia... and not to help Russia in any way, they did it to earn good money and make good money from the products they could produce with the cheap resources they bought from Russia.

    Let them drink from the nipple of western hate and colonialism. Block trade with these countries and you will likely also block the import of material to commit terrorist acts on your territory supported by western governments.

    They might thrive with no trade with Russia, and if they do, good on them... Russia can keep ignoring them and they can grow rich and comfortable... but of course as we have seen they wont get rich, they will get poor and it will all be Russias fault for refusing to buy their goods and not selling to them the cheap energy their economy needed to be healthy.

    Of course all these protests are people getting paid by Soros and other similar sinister types who don't want close inspection of their influence and corruption... let them pretend the new laws are anti democratic and are Russian in origin... let them stew in their own juices... it wont hurt Russia to add Georgia to the ignore list... they put themselves on the hostile list quite some time ago and never really tried hard to get off that list.

    Russia can stop pandering to the west and its vassals... if you want to trade then that is fine but if you impose sanctions then Russia will sanction you in return and they will make sure the sanctions hurt your bottom line... unlike western sanctions which essentially led to Russia finding different customers that were further away and ultimately had to pay more than the Europeans were paying... but the new customers don't mind because for them the Russian energy is still cheaper than what they could get before.

    This BS in Georgia is a self inflicted wound... let them sort it out and certainly don't try to stop them because they have a knife and might try to cut you... not to mention when the western police (media) arrive it will claim Russia stabbed them...

    Why bother with such a drama queen... there are dozens of countries all keen to increase trade with Russia... why waste time on countries that hate you just because they are nearby?

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    Post  nomadski Fri May 03, 2024 9:35 am




    Wait and see , these " European , " people find out soon enough they have to trade their souls for EU membership . Probably US or NATO bases , on their soil , and send troops among the non-blonde savage Asiatic hordes and do ethnic cleansing . But if opportunity for trade exists , especially with friendly elements , then it should be taken . Those hostile elements should be subject to sanctions . Like Turkiye and R . Azer and a thousand different places on Earth , the market for blonde hair dye will sky rocket ! But they can't hide their roots !

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    Post  flamming_python Fri May 03, 2024 12:35 pm

    The protestors are not against Russian customers, Russian companies, dissident Russians relocating to Georgia, Russian tourists, Russian foreign trade passing via them, Russian investments, Russian gas - but they are against the Russian law. Which is not even Russian.

    Make it make sense people. Make it make sense Rolling Eyes

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    Post  TMA1 Fri May 03, 2024 2:12 pm

    Well it is obvious. Foreign NGOs and intelligence assets are burning the midnight oil so their NGOs dont get exposed. The issue is there are idiots who still live in the 1990s tier illusion of a free and democratic west fighting for their liberty and upward mobility. Many young people would see foreign subversion as a noble thing. Now there are not as many of these as media tries to portray but there is indeed a lot of money thrown around to feed dissident movements and keep the subversion going.

    It is evil. But try discussing this with people who think it is good. The key will be ramming this law through in spite of the furor.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri May 03, 2024 5:29 pm

    TMA1 wrote:Well it is obvious. Foreign NGOs and intelligence assets are burning the midnight oil so their NGOs dont get exposed. The issue is there are idiots who still live in the 1990s tier illusion of a free and democratic west fighting for their liberty and upward mobility. Many young people would see foreign subversion as a noble thing. Now there are not as many of these as media tries to portray but there is indeed a lot of money thrown around to feed dissident movements and keep the subversion going.

    It is evil. But try discussing this with people who think it is good. The key will be ramming this law through in spite of the furor.

    I know, I have several Georgian acquaintances and I really cannot speak with them about it

    Anyway. In 5 years time EU will be only Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and maybe the Baltic statelets. I doubt it will still be so fascinating

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    Post  GarryB Sat May 04, 2024 6:11 am

    The Georgian police and government should be interrogating all these people who are protesting the loudest and find out who is motivating them "Financially" and kick them out of the country first.

    If they do manage to get this law through it will be interesting to see the names and countries involved.

    They should have a debate and anyone who claims this is a Russian law should have the microphone turned off...

    Even if it was a Russian law, that is not a good reason to not adopt it. Are there Russian laws against murder and rape?
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    Post  higurashihougi Sun May 05, 2024 7:08 am

    https://www.rt.com/russia/597004-georgian-us-spark-two-revolutions/

    Georgia accuses Washington of trying to spark ‘two revolutions’
    The US would like to see Tbilisi open a “second front” against Moscow, Irakli Kobakhidze says

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun May 05, 2024 1:05 pm

    The interesting thing is that this law will also mark who receive money from Russia (if above the percentage limit) as foreign agent...

    I was told that Georgia is not making anything except possibly agricultural and wine exports and they need to import stuff from the west.

    What I am trying to tell (my Georgian acquaintances) since years is that noone in Europe want to import georgian wines or other goods. France, Italy and Spain are not interested in added competitors and most people in those lands will not buy foreign wines (one funny example...my cousin would not even drink wines produced in different regions from Italy than his own :p) and even Romania does not want to compete with even another country for the remaining market.

    The only country really interested in buying Georgian wines in more than homeopathic quantities is Russia.

    Furthermore they should concentrate on their own production of other goods and limit import of what is really needed or impossible to be produced.
    Small examples: in soviet times a lot of tra was produced in west Georgia and then exported to other parts of Soviet union. Now practically all tea is imported.

    Furthermore it is almost impossible to buy decent furniture in Tbilisi unless you want to pay double of the price this stuff costs in germany.

    Either you buy expensive imported European stuff (and you pay more than what you would pay in Italy or in Germany) or some slightly cheaper Turkish stuff, but all of them practically without real guarantees. If you cannot afford those prices (which are not possible for people with typical Georgian salaries, without going into debts, the only possibility is to buy low quality stuff (this sometimes made in Georgia) which will be broken after less than 2 years, making it even more expensive in the middle/long term.

    It is not that there are no Georgians capable of producing decent furnitures, but possibly only small elite artisans exists and those are even less affordable for the normal folks.

    They tell me they are a too small country to have real industry. My take is that each country which is larger than Lichtenstein must produce its own stuff, or at least most of it, and then having something to trade in exchange of what is not possible to be produced.

    And something to trade is not being made into an enemy and forward base against your largest and bigger neighbour. That is practically condemning the population into suicide.

    It is also a problem of mentality, there is no real effort of doing something and they believe it will be solved like with magic wand by Europe.

    They do not understand that the only thing current EU leadership want is cheap slaves (which will be hated then by EU working class).
    And that is the reason the "carrot" given by the EU is the free visa regimen (but it is free visa only for tourism, that means that only "illegal" jobs for max 3 months in a row are possible).

    The problem is also that some of the roots of the sentiments against Russia are justified. There were also several war crimes made by some Abkhaz rebels against the local Georgian population in Abkhazia during the wars in the 90s (including also desecrating the bodies of killed and tortured children and showing them as meat to sell) which Georgians believe would never have been possible without Russian support.

    Basically: there was a massive clusterfuck in the 90s and  neither Russia or Georgia acted in their best interest at that time.
    What happened in the 1990s practically made good relationship between Russia and Georgia practically impossible.

    Probably because both of those countries were actually ruled by the west which wanted to divide and conquer them.

    Eltsin was basically equivalent to current Zelenski, doing practically all that his CIA handlers from the American embassy wanted.

    And Shevardnadze (the other useful idiot together with Gorbachev who caused the destruction of Soviet union) was hated from half of Georgia and the other half of Georgia was not happy with the west of country since they were loyal to the "other president" Zviad Gamsakurdia.
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    Post  flamming_python Sun May 05, 2024 1:21 pm

    Georgians should stick to cheese and wine, politics ain't their thing dunno

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