Georgian Politics Thread

TMA1 wrote:Well it is obvious. Foreign NGOs and intelligence assets are burning the midnight oil so their NGOs dont get exposed. The issue is there are idiots who still live in the 1990s tier illusion of a free and democratic west fighting for their liberty and upward mobility. Many young people would see foreign subversion as a noble thing. Now there are not as many of these as media tries to portray but there is indeed a lot of money thrown around to feed dissident movements and keep the subversion going.

It is evil. But try discussing this with people who think it is good. The key will be ramming this law through in spite of the furor.

I know, I have several Georgian acquaintances and I really cannot speak with them about it

Anyway. In 5 years time EU will be only Poland, Romania, Bulgaria and maybe the Baltic statelets. I doubt it will still be so fascinating

The interesting thing is that this law will also mark who receive money from Russia (if above the percentage limit) as foreign agent...

I was told that Georgia is not making anything except possibly agricultural and wine exports and they need to import stuff from the west.

What I am trying to tell (my Georgian acquaintances) since years is that noone in Europe want to import georgian wines or other goods. France, Italy and Spain are not interested in added competitors and most people in those lands will not buy foreign wines (one funny example...my cousin would not even drink wines produced in different regions from Italy than his own :p) and even Romania does not want to compete with even another country for the remaining market.

The only country really interested in buying Georgian wines in more than homeopathic quantities is Russia.

Furthermore they should concentrate on their own production of other goods and limit import of what is really needed or impossible to be produced.
Small examples: in soviet times a lot of tra was produced in west Georgia and then exported to other parts of Soviet union. Now practically all tea is imported.

Furthermore it is almost impossible to buy decent furniture in Tbilisi unless you want to pay double of the price this stuff costs in germany.

Either you buy expensive imported European stuff (and you pay more than what you would pay in Italy or in Germany) or some slightly cheaper Turkish stuff, but all of them practically without real guarantees. If you cannot afford those prices (which are not possible for people with typical Georgian salaries, without going into debts, the only possibility is to buy low quality stuff (this sometimes made in Georgia) which will be broken after less than 2 years, making it even more expensive in the middle/long term.

It is not that there are no Georgians capable of producing decent furnitures, but possibly only small elite artisans exists and those are even less affordable for the normal folks.

They tell me they are a too small country to have real industry. My take is that each country which is larger than Lichtenstein must produce its own stuff, or at least most of it, and then having something to trade in exchange of what is not possible to be produced.

And something to trade is not being made into an enemy and forward base against your largest and bigger neighbour. That is practically condemning the population into suicide.

It is also a problem of mentality, there is no real effort of doing something and they believe it will be solved like with magic wand by Europe.

They do not understand that the only thing current EU leadership want is cheap slaves (which will be hated then by EU working class).
And that is the reason the "carrot" given by the EU is the free visa regimen (but it is free visa only for tourism, that means that only "illegal" jobs for max 3 months in a row are possible).

The problem is also that some of the roots of the sentiments against Russia are justified. There were also several war crimes made by some Abkhaz rebels against the local Georgian population in Abkhazia during the wars in the 90s (including also desecrating the bodies of killed and tortured children and showing them as meat to sell) which Georgians believe would never have been possible without Russian support.

Basically: there was a massive clusterfuck in the 90s and  neither Russia or Georgia acted in their best interest at that time.
What happened in the 1990s practically made good relationship between Russia and Georgia practically impossible.

Probably because both of those countries were actually ruled by the west which wanted to divide and conquer them.

Eltsin was basically equivalent to current Zelenski, doing practically all that his CIA handlers from the American embassy wanted.

And Shevardnadze (the other useful idiot together with Gorbachev who caused the destruction of Soviet union) was hated from half of Georgia and the other half of Georgia was not happy with the west of country since they were loyal to the "other president" Zviad Gamsakurdia.