Syrian Civil War: News #9

Do we have any views on how much artillery, say greater than 100mm, the various terrorist groups are using?

Turkey plans to begin resettling hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees in the North Aleppo invasion zone -- Pro-Erdogan newspaper: http://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/turkey-to-build-refugee-cities-on-security-zone-vacated-by-daesh-2517694

JohninMK wrote:Do we have any views on how much artillery, say greater than 100mm, the various terrorist groups are using?

Actually very few, most of them are improvised rocket artillery. Artillery has this nasty tendency to need a logistical chain.

zorobabel wrote:Turkey plans to begin resettling hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees in the North Aleppo invasion zone -- Pro-Erdogan newspaper: http://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/turkey-to-build-refugee-cities-on-security-zone-vacated-by-daesh-2517694

Looks like Kurds will become one of ethnic minorities in Independent State of Rojava

http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160826/1044678263/turkey-jarablus-russia.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FdBXLDphwwI&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=cagz&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

Read the comments.  Pretty much everyone states Russia sold Syria out and is a puppet of Erdogan.

Essentially, Turkey may be building a permanent base in northern Syria. Fuck you Putin and Lavrov. I hope Putin kicks it soon or is gone. Russia deserves a leader that cares about Russia and her allies.

PapaDragon wrote:

zorobabel wrote:Turkey plans to begin resettling hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees in the North Aleppo invasion zone -- Pro-Erdogan newspaper: http://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/turkey-to-build-refugee-cities-on-security-zone-vacated-by-daesh-2517694

Looks like Kurds will become one of ethnic minorities in Independent State of Rojava

Kurds seem to be the most screwed of anyone, yes.

PapaDragon wrote:

zorobabel wrote:Turkey plans to begin resettling hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees in the North Aleppo invasion zone -- Pro-Erdogan newspaper: http://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/turkey-to-build-refugee-cities-on-security-zone-vacated-by-daesh-2517694

Looks like Kurds will become one of ethnic minorities in Independent State of Rojava

Every time this shit happens I laugh. HOW is Turkey going to resettle people in North Aleppo Aleppo while we know that fery few people from Aleppo surroundings are in Turkey (less than 200 thousands). Most of them are either from Idlib, Al Bab, Minbij, Tabqah or from deeper inside Syria. They are direct sequels of ISIS and FSA movements in the area. It's not hey let's plant some arabs and see if they get within the area. There's no state as it is, and there's no way Turkey is going to operate in Kurdish territory without "acts of terror".

So basically this is probably the best way Turkey can fuck up when it comes to Syria. Bring back civilians in a warzone.

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160826/1044678263/turkey-jarablus-russia.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FdBXLDphwwI&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=cagz&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

Read the comments.  Pretty much everyone states Russia sold Syria out and is a puppet of Erdogan.

Essentially, Turkey may be building a permanent base in northern Syria.  Fuck you Putin and Lavrov.  I hope Putin kicks it soon or is gone.  Russia deserves a leader that cares about Russia and her allies.

I don't even know where to start. But one thing is sure, Sputnik comments pretty much confirm the fact that there's a gang of "pro-Russian" trolls that indulges in Agit-Prop with an IQ level of 12. ZOMG Russia vassal to a state that had to swallow losing pretty much 3 year long progress in 6 months...

Reading this is like tasting cancer...

KoTeMoRe wrote:

PapaDragon wrote:

zorobabel wrote:Turkey plans to begin resettling hundreds of thousands of Syrian refugees in the North Aleppo invasion zone -- Pro-Erdogan newspaper: http://www.yenisafak.com/en/news/turkey-to-build-refugee-cities-on-security-zone-vacated-by-daesh-2517694

Looks like Kurds will become one of ethnic minorities in Independent State of Rojava

Every time this shit happens I laugh. HOW is Turkey going to resettle people in North Aleppo Aleppo while we know that fery few people from Aleppo surroundings are in Turkey (less than 200 thousands). Most of them are either from Idlib, Al Bab, Minbij, Tabqah or from deeper inside Syria. They are direct sequels of ISIS and FSA movements in the area. It's not hey let's plant some arabs and see if they get within the area. There's no state as it is, and there's no way Turkey is going to operate in Kurdish territory without "acts of terror".

So basically this is probably the best way Turkey can fuck up when it comes to Syria. Bring back civilians in a warzone.

I doubt it'll ever happen, but even that the Turkish press and military officials are dreaming of it pisses me off.

But given Erdogan's history, who knows, he may actually try.

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160826/1044678263/turkey-jarablus-russia.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FdBXLDphwwI&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=cagz&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

Read the comments.  Pretty much everyone states Russia sold Syria out and is a puppet of Erdogan.

Essentially, Turkey may be building a permanent base in northern Syria.  Fuck you Putin and Lavrov.  I hope Putin kicks it soon or is gone.  Russia deserves a leader that cares about Russia and her allies.

I don't even know where to start. But one thing is sure, Sputnik comments pretty much confirm the fact that there's a gang of "pro-Russian" trolls that indulges in Agit-Prop with an IQ level of 12. ZOMG Russia vassal to a state that had to swallow losing pretty much 3 year long progress in 6 months...

Reading this is like tasting cancer...

Thats amusing is how they all think Russia can control what Turkey does, do they not know how Erodogan operates?. It seems not.

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160826/1044678263/turkey-jarablus-russia.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FdBXLDphwwI&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=cagz&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

Read the comments.  Pretty much everyone states Russia sold Syria out and is a puppet of Erdogan.

Essentially, Turkey may be building a permanent base in northern Syria.  Fuck you Putin and Lavrov.  I hope Putin kicks it soon or is gone.  Russia deserves a leader that cares about Russia and her allies.

I don't even know where to start. But one thing is sure, Sputnik comments pretty much confirm the fact that there's a gang of "pro-Russian" trolls that indulges in Agit-Prop with an IQ level of 12. ZOMG Russia vassal to a state that had to swallow losing pretty much 3 year long progress in 6 months...

Reading this is like tasting cancer...

Thats amusing is how they all think Russia can control what Turkey does, do they not know how Erodogan operates?. It seems not.

Which is the same for the US. By the way, resumption of Turk Stream and other deals says that Erdie is doing what he's told. US is about to get burnt badly with the Kurds here, maybe SDF as well (although US SOF embeds probably will make that a touchy subject). The Kurds done screwed themselves, the best way to deal with traitors is to use other traitors, and even better, other traitors that hate the aforementioned traitors with a fiery passion.

Guys, chill.

OminousSpudd wrote:

SeigSoloyvov wrote:

KoTeMoRe wrote:

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160826/1044678263/turkey-jarablus-russia.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FdBXLDphwwI&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=cagz&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

Read the comments.  Pretty much everyone states Russia sold Syria out and is a puppet of Erdogan.

Essentially, Turkey may be building a permanent base in northern Syria.  Fuck you Putin and Lavrov.  I hope Putin kicks it soon or is gone.  Russia deserves a leader that cares about Russia and her allies.

I don't even know where to start. But one thing is sure, Sputnik comments pretty much confirm the fact that there's a gang of "pro-Russian" trolls that indulges in Agit-Prop with an IQ level of 12. ZOMG Russia vassal to a state that had to swallow losing pretty much 3 year long progress in 6 months...

Reading this is like tasting cancer...

Thats amusing is how they all think Russia can control what Turkey does, do they not know how Erodogan operates?. It seems not.

Which is the same for the US. By the way, resumption of Turk Stream and other deals says that Erdie is doing what he's told. US is about to get burnt badly with the Kurds here, maybe SDF as well (although US SOF embeds probably will make that a touchy subject). The Kurds done screwed themselves, the best way to deal with traitors is to use other traitors, and even better, other traitors that hate the aforementioned traitors with a fiery passion.

Guys, chill.

My nation choose it's side, Turkey Erodogan threatened clearly "Do what I want or I will buddy up with them". no one seems to realize this, The kurds well yes and no in one way. Nothing they would hav e done about turkey and the US about to leave them for dead. On the other hand attacking Assad yeah bad move in truth I suspect they weren't aware of the State Departments and Turkerys new friendship before they started what they did or they got "Encouraged" to do so.

sepheronx wrote:http://sputniknews.com/middleeast/20160826/1044678263/turkey-jarablus-russia.html?utm_source=https%3A%2F%2Ft.co%2FdBXLDphwwI&utm_medium=short_url&utm_content=cagz&utm_campaign=URL_shortening

Read the comments.  Pretty much everyone states Russia sold Syria out and is a puppet of Erdogan.

Essentially, Turkey may be building a permanent base in northern Syria.  Fuck you Putin and Lavrov.  I hope Putin kicks it soon or is gone.  Russia deserves a leader that cares about Russia and her allies.

Dude don't read comments on Sputnik. Or any news comment section for that matter. You should know better.

And those who comment on Sputnik are most definitely not Russians.

Let's not forget that Kurds are not Russia's allies and Syrians honestly became one only after their new allies thrown them to the wolves.

You guys are missing the point. I don't give two shits about Kurds. The Kurds are something Syria and Russia could deal with. No,the issue is allowing another, hostile, country openly invade Syria and grab land when this said nation openly stated they want Assad out. In this case, Russia gave the green light by saying nothing, for Turkey and US to blatantly destroy sovereignty. Let us not forget how the No Fly Zone panned out for Libya. Let us also not forget how US threatened to shoot at Syrian or Russian jets operating near the US in Syria.  Now there is something really wrong in that and you guys can't even see it.  Maybe Putin is throwing Assad under the bus for some secret deal for Ukraine. But any deal with US, especially not signed, is all for nothing.

Kurds are controlled by US. They said they are moving back to let turkey take over. Small fringe of fighters fight Turkey but overall, nothing.  You guys are under the assumption that Turkey is going to start some major fight against Kurds. Let me tell you, it ain't going to happen. These Kurds are under control by Turkish allies.  Hence why Turkey isn't facing any hostilities in Syria. None. Zero. Only FSA and a very, very, very small group of Kurds.

Everyone here is looking at something that doesn't exist as if it is fact. That is, the Kurds being enemy of turkey. You assume that they are mad and now fighting Turkey and US in Syria. But that is wrong 100%. Their leader agreed to Biden's demands, and turkey is now in.

Instead of reading comments, read the article. Turkey will be opening a permanent base in Syria and stated they want Assad out. So in the end, they get to take land as they see fit, flood in terrorists, and will be aiming not at Kurds or ISIS, but at Assad. This talk about fighting Daesh is to just fool the mass. Not long ago Erdogans son was importing oil from iSis. They are their creation. It is a pretext to invade and to remove Assad, and Russia is just handing him over it seems. This weakness will translate to war in Russia since US sees this weakness. So does turkey. I pointed this out with other articles. No one else here provided one but only suspicions.

You guys constantly talk about how sad it is to lose a Russian soldier or civilian on here.  But you guys cannot see the end results of the actions of the Russian government has cause nothing but issues for their people and this one, even if in another country, will spell bad results.  Russians will dies, many more of them, because of such actions.  Turkey and US will flood more terrorists and weapons to remove Assad.  These weapons will hit Russian planes and or personnel.  It has already happened and will happen even more.  Then once they remove Assad, a buddy of Saudi Arabia, Turkey and US will get into power, kick Russians out and terrorists will still be in Syria but concentrate going north into Caucuses and into Russia.  All the while, Russia loses another ally and loses bases, and a new breeding ground of terrorism is created.  Maybe US will see that they can now act with impunity and attack Russians outright afterwards in Russia because of bullshit reasons.  And what will Putin do? Strike back? He doesn't seem to do so because what, he is Christian? Well, he should know the future of Russia and Russians lives are at stake here and Syria is the beginning of it.

EDIT: If I am wrong, and I do hope I am, I will be more than happy for you guys to rub it in my face and I of course will be more than happy to admit that I was wrong. I understand that this will be a wait and see thing and I do appreciate your guys input, especially Kote as I have lots of respect for you. I am just a pessimist and was very buttmad regarding Putin's lack of help to Novorussia officially.

https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=https://ria.ru/syria/20160826/1475427160.html

The US pilots interviewed that intercepted the Su-24's.  They like to boast a lot these Americans.  First they said that they were undetected (how would they know? For all we know the Syrians were fully aware of them) and second, stated at 600m they were able to determine the Su-24's were unarmed.  How can you tell with the eyes at 600m?

A lot of bullshit from Americans.

https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=https://ria.ru/syria/20160827/1475431754.html

Pentagon - Russia and US didn't come to any agreement on cooperation in Syria.

sepheronx wrote:https://translate.yandex.by/web?url=https://ria.ru/syria/20160827/1475431754.html

Pentagon - Russia and US didn't come to any agreement on cooperation in Syria.

Naturally. Did anyone expect otherwise?




Now that Damascus is about to be vermin free is there any air base outside of it where Russia could set up shop?

Should be outside the city this time, you don't want civies snooping around. Time to start fortifying the west.

This is just bad, Russia may be done in Syria, what happens, now that Turls are in Syria? It should not have come to this. Should have given a direct warning.

par far wrote:This is just bad, Russia may be done in Syria, what happens, now that Turls are in Syria? It should not have come to this. Should have given a direct warning.

Most likely they are. If that is the case, this failure will reflect back on Putin. Remember how much heat Medvedev got back home regarding Libya? Same will be on Putin for his failures. What makes this one worst, is that Russians died in this, and would be for nothing. Russia has a very powerful voice, and they don't even use it.

'Euphrates Shield': Turkish Operation to Reshape Balance of Power in Syria

Interesting interview a must see about Syria , interview with an former BUsh official.



When it comes to Turkey in Syria.. Is too early to predict anything. There is too many
variables in Syria at place. Dont think Erdogan will commit suicide two times and start
shooting down Russian planes , neither to start directly fighting Syrian army trying to kick them
from Aleppo. Russia will not abandon Syria. Putin is simply Practical . Just when Americans began to fly over Syria airspace..  It was the right call to ignore them as long they did not bomb Syrian army or Russia. Because if Syria just began to shoot down NATO planes last year.. in 2015 ,then
RUssia will be unable to concentrate of defeating American back terrorist and instead will had to focus in fighting NATO coalition airfoces.

So Syria Government and Syrian army should Focus in liberating its territory ,liberating damascus ,homs ,hama ,expanding and fortyfying in Aleppo , so that when they fully ready and most zones deep inside Syria cleared , they can move to turkey border. This is to be in a better position first ,before jumping a major fight with NATO.  All this cease of fires ,and games of "cooperation" between Russia and NATO are just Public Relations , so that Russia cannot be accused later of starting any fight with NATO.

Latakia needs to be fully taken in 100% ,Hama,Homs ,Damascus.. too.. and then
Move to Aleppo and fully clear it and last fight Idlib. Capturing Raqqa is not really that important
there is nothing there. More important will be closing any supply routes to Aleppo ,Idlib and RAQAA. and do it as far from Turkey border as possible. Then slowly bleed the terrorist ,finish their supplies etc.. and force them to surrender. This worked well in Daraya recently.. They were encircled and forced to surrender or leave to another zone. Kicking the terrorist little by little from deep inside Syria and relocate the ones that surrender to northen Syria for the last
battle. Grouping all of them in one small zone like a city ,will make easier for Russian Airforce to bomb them instead of having to fight them in all syria.

If i were Assad .. i will move Iranian troops all of them to northen Aleppo in the zones Syria army encircle the city , to use them as shields from Turkey army ,so if Turkey dares to fight Syrian army ,will be attacking also IRAN too.. And Erdogan will prefer not to start a war with Russia and IRAN over just a small empty land or desert. Again im really skeptic Erdogan will order its army to lift the siege on Aleppo.. to do that he will need to move very far from the protection of the border and without support from any air defenses.. Turkey airforce will be under a serious disadvantages with S-400s , S-200s,S-300,Buks ,Tors defenses locking on them.. this is also not mentioning Russia counter electronics to jam Turkey planes electronics.

Not going to happen. IDLib in the other hand , Syrian army will do well to invade it as soon as possible before turkey try to move there or perhaps move to a city north of it.. to draw a line
to Erdogan of a zone they cannot past..

Breaking news.. . Hell is Freezing..


The Broken Chessboard: Brzezinski Gives Up on Empire

The main architect of Washington’s plan to rule the world has abandoned the scheme and called for the forging of ties with Russia and China. While Zbigniew Brzezinski’s article in The American Interest titled “Towards a Global Realignment” has largely been ignored by the media, it shows that powerful members of the policymaking establishment no longer believe that Washington will prevail in its quest to extent US hegemony across the Middle East and Asia. Brzezinski, who was the main proponent of this idea and who drew up the blueprint for imperial expansion in his 1997 book The Grand Chessboard: American Primacy and Its Geostrategic Imperatives, has done an about-face and called for a dramatic revising of the strategy.

http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/08/25/the-broken-chessboard-brzezinski-gives-up-on-empire/

sepheronx wrote:

par far wrote:This is just bad, Russia may be done in Syria, what happens, now that Turls are in Syria? It should not have come to this. Should have given a direct warning.

Most likely they are.  If that is the case, this failure will reflect back on Putin.  Remember how much heat Medvedev got back home regarding Libya?  Same will be on Putin for his failures.  What makes this one worst, is that Russians died in this, and would be for nothing.  Russia has a very powerful voice, and they don't even use it.

Russia done in Syria? What the? So let me understand you guys. Because Turkey went on with this totally insane plan of fighting the other hand of the US in the area, while having yet another issue of legality and capability (haha let's see Turkish F16's over Al Bab, so we can laugh) or see SDF controllers (US SOF) getting hit by the Turks. This is a superb clusterfuck signed United States of Chaos...

Russia's objective in Syria is not to help SAA. If that were the case, Russia would have supplied Orlan recon planes and counter battery radars to SAA and located and destroyed terrorists artillery bought from Bulgaria and Serbia. Without artillery, terrorists would have last a month in Syria. Russia is a stooge of Israel. Russia is a slave of Israel. Russia's objective in Syria is to prolong the war and kill Syrians. At Israel's request. Today this is Syria. Tomorrow this will be Russia.

Now you know Russia's objective in Syria, you can predict Russia's actions in Syria. If Turkey attacks Aleppo, Russia will for sure stop that. Why? Because Russia needs the war in Syria to continue to bleed Syria dry. If Turkey occupies Aleppo, the war ends and Israel will cry and Russia can't have that.