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    Syrian Civil War: News #9

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 19, 2016 12:10 am


    Can we stop wasting server space on cherry picked kiddie propaganda?

    Yes kids die in war. And worse. Much worse. In huge numbers. Every hour of every day. If any moron thinks this just started happening today then he needs to wear bicycle helmet for the rest of his life.

    Every once in a while CNN and rest of the BS peddlers will roll out bullshit like this to pump the crowd for democratic jihad. It stopped being effective long ago but they will keep doing it out of habit because they have been doing it for decades since the start of the Cold War to this very day.

    This is good sign because whenever they get desperate enough to go with this kind of tripe it means that their jihadist pleasure-boys on the ground are either getting assraped or are about to.

    So let's stick with posts about actual war okay?
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    Post  OminousSpudd Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:49 am

    calm wrote:Syrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 8 Qhe71zq88o4wdjqzg
    Pretty sure these "SDF" have a fuckton of US SOF involved. US is pretty desperate to walk away with at least something out of this. Of course, having command and control of ISIS probably makes "fighting" a lot easier.
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    Post  calm Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:33 pm

    No comment on this stupidity

    Turn your back to the frontline, really smart, they look like they have no idea where the frontline is...
    x2 same place...

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Aug 19, 2016 3:55 pm


    @calm

    Well by now it should be common knowledge that stupidity of SAA is mathematical axiom.
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    Post  calm Fri Aug 19, 2016 4:18 pm

    The same place yesterday



    Same place 2 weeks ago...


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    Post  KoTeMoRe Fri Aug 19, 2016 6:47 pm

    You guys have just witnessed the intricacies of Urban combat. Some of it can be pinned on lack of preparation (no watch), but most of it has to do with the build up area. You need eyes and eyes and eyes and more eyes. By the look of it, the jihadis are at over 1000m distance. Pretty much a speck to watch.

    Then yes, seasoned fighters wouldn't rest like that, would take defensive positions, wouldn't simply park their assets like that. But as it stands we're into a totally different paradigm where ATGM's are used on APERS role, because they're simply plentyful for them. In few words it allows the jihadis an element of surprise that simply will outweigh whatever experience you have.
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    Post  calm Fri Aug 19, 2016 7:02 pm

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    Post  zorobabel Fri Aug 19, 2016 9:26 pm

    OminousSpudd wrote:
    calm wrote:Syrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 8 Qhe71zq88o4wdjqzg
    Pretty sure these "SDF" have a fuckton of US SOF involved. US is pretty desperate to walk away with at least something out of this. Of course, having command and control of ISIS probably makes "fighting" a lot easier.
    The US scrambled their jets to protect their SOFs: http://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/920365/dod-syrian-regime-airstrikes-near-hasakah-put-coalition-forces-at-risk#.V7dzUSaRPio.twitter

    So that means wherever they station their troops, they will establish de facto no fly zones seemingly unopposed. They're not desperate to walk away with something, in my opinion. With the SDF controlling 25% of Syria already, they've already bitten off far more of the country than they should. And with the fighting between the NDF and Asayish escalating, that looks like it's territory that the Syrian government will never get back.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:23 am

    The Gull of the Americans is outstanding. This is absolutely pathetic.

    https://southfront.org/pentagon-threats-to-shot-down-syrian-planes-over-hasakah/

    I would just start moving assets of air defense systems and create a miniature hardened air defense site (of course protected by forces like from Iran or such) closer to where the Su-24's can strike the American positions.

    But the SAA isn't really all that smart/capable.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon Sat Aug 20, 2016 4:29 am

    zorobabel wrote:
    OminousSpudd wrote:
    calm wrote:Syrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 8 Qhe71zq88o4wdjqzg
    Pretty sure these "SDF" have a fuckton of US SOF involved. US is pretty desperate to walk away with at least something out of this. Of course, having command and control of ISIS probably makes "fighting" a lot easier.
    The US scrambled their jets to protect their SOFs: http://www.defense.gov/News/Article/Article/920365/dod-syrian-regime-airstrikes-near-hasakah-put-coalition-forces-at-risk#.V7dzUSaRPio.twitter

    So that means wherever they station their troops, they will establish de facto no fly zones seemingly unopposed. They're not desperate to walk away with something, in my opinion. With the SDF controlling 25% of Syria already, they've already bitten off far more of the country than they should. And with the fighting between the NDF and Asayish escalating, that looks like it's territory that the Syrian government will never get back.

    Stop hyperventilating, it's practically impossible for the U.S. to declare a realistic no fly zone, with S-400's, Pantsir-S2's, Buk-M2's, Su-30m2's, Su-35's, Krasyuka-3/4's in place, the Russian VKS only allows them to operate in Syrian airspace under the cloud of nonchalant psuedo-cooperation. BTW it looks like it's heating up, I suspect a secret deal has been struck with Turkey and it's only matter of time before Turkey start's 'chiming in'. Probably the deal will be stop funneling ISIS/JAN and the Kurdish separatists will be served on a silver platter for Turkish delightful ordinance, with Russia playing psuedo-neutral mediator (with S-400's to keep U.S. fighters out), the classic good-cop/bad-cop gambit:



    ...Don't feel sorry for the Kurds, they betrayed the Syrian govt. first (attacked SAA positions multiple times), which is not surprising because we seen a similar betrayal in Iraq by the Kurds there. After decades of tolerating the Kurds (de facto protection), the Kurds were quick to betray Syria when the thoughts of the West would accept them despite the fact the West have been propping up the Turkish military for decades. As of now the Kurds are just as much a force for balkanization as JAN/ISIS.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:43 am

    sepheronx wrote:The Gull of the Americans is outstanding.  This is absolutely pathetic.

    https://southfront.org/pentagon-threats-to-shot-down-syrian-planes-over-hasakah/

    I would just start moving assets of air defense systems and create a miniature hardened air defense site (of course protected by forces like from Iran or such) closer to where the Su-24's can strike the American positions.

    But the SAA isn't really all that smart/capable.

    Well, that didn't take long before what I suggested is somewhat coming true:

    https://southfront.org/syrian-government-deployed-surface-to-air-missile-systems-to-hasakah-after-pentagons-threats-to-shoot-down-syrian-planes/

    Buk-M2 or Buk-M1-2 and S-200
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:02 am

    Those systems look to be pretty vulnerable without serious support infrastructure. I'd say this looks as much a political as a military move. A definite statement that Syria will not just sit idly by if the US attacks them on their own territory especially as the US troops that they are trying to protect have no legal right to be there in the first place.

    We could be down the path of unintended consequences here.

    First, by threatening Syria so directly and publicly this statement has probably increased the risk of retaliatory action against the Coalition all over the Mid East. It may even force CENTCOM to up its own airfield security, which is a big potential problem for them given the lack of suitable anti MANPAD airfield defence systems in the US/NATO armoury. Just look at the size they had to make Bagram to give it some protection.

    Second, it could also create a real political problem in Iraq as well, as its one thing for the Coalition to be attacking 'terrorists' in Syria but totally different to openly threaten let alone attack the Syrian Government. It would be an act of war of course.
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    Post  sepheronx Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:05 am

    Agreed. Those S-200's cannot even operate without radar support and command structure. I imagine they are building a temporary air defense base and just showcased two items as a measures of "screw you". But they are heavily vulnerable so long as SHORADS like OSA/Strela10 and Pantsir-S1's are not available to provide coverage against drones and PGM's. Not to mention, the need to have special forces to protect the site from ground attacks.
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 20, 2016 10:28 am

    sepheronx wrote:Agreed.  Those S-200's cannot even operate without radar support and command structure.  I imagine they are building a temporary air defense base and just showcased two items as a measures of "screw you".  But they are heavily vulnerable so long as SHORADS like OSA/Strela10 and Pantsir-S1's are not available to provide coverage against drones and PGM's.  Not to mention, the need to have special forces to protect the site from ground attacks.
    None of which they have the spare resources to do, so they probably won't, at least not properly. But then this does not need to be more than a gesture. More likely is that the next strikes that may be at risk will go in with some fighter cover, which may or may not be SyAF depending on the US/Russia relationship at that moment.

    Whatever happens, the US has known from the time that it started inserting its SF into Syria and overflying that this situation was going to arise. This was not an off the cuff comment, it has been planned for and different scenarios gamed. In a way more interesting is what the US will do now, arm their SF with MANPADs which they haven't needed up to now and blame any SyAF aircraft downed on the SDF, have to increase their CAPs to cover their SF or even shadow SyAF missions in case they strike but what do they do if its just an overfly?

    This has just got a lot riskier.
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Aug 20, 2016 12:41 pm


    Kurds had their chance and they pissed it away half a year ago.

    I just hope for their sake that they don't have any illusions about independence or some similar fantasy after all that they have been doing lately. Not even USA is considering it seriously let alone local actors.

    And should they any point get too frisky Russia can always work out a deal between Syria and certain neighbor in the north who would gladly jump at the chance to tweak the Kurds big time pro bono and no questions asked.

    This Kurd issue is less problematic and much more easily solvable than it looks like at first glance.
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    Post  par far Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:00 pm

    CLASHES IN HASAKAH LEADING TO KURDISH-ARAB WAR

    https://southfront.org/clashes-in-hasakah-leading-to-kurdish-arab-war-in-syria/

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    Post  Resistance Sat Aug 20, 2016 1:01 pm

    This is precisely why SAA needs counter battery radars. If SAA gets counter battery radars, the war would be over in weeks. Russia refuses to supply counter battery radars because Russia does not want the war to end.

    https://www.reddit.com/r/syriancivilwar/comments/4yor7w/great_footage_from_aleppo_shiite_militias_face_a/
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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:05 pm

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    Post  zorobabel Sat Aug 20, 2016 2:45 pm

    PapaDragon wrote:Syrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 8 CqTk7E8XEAANhtr
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:22 pm

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    Post  starman Sat Aug 20, 2016 5:31 pm

    Who has the upper hand in the Aleppo fight? On the one hand, the Chinese may seek prestige by fighting terror in Syria, on the other, they may be leery of getting bogged down in a quagmire. If the rebels prevail in Aleppo, it'll seem this conflict will never end.
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    Post  calm Sat Aug 20, 2016 6:57 pm

    respekt

    [quote]Looks like RuAF hit tunnel used by rebels after 2ch /wm/ and @IvanSidorenko1 gave coordinates to RuMoD https://twitter.com/bm21_grad/status/766961796464775168

    Syrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 8 CqTLJGTXYAAKgsQSyrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 8 CqTLNxfXYAAzr7aSyrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 8 CqTLPR8W8AAy4csSyrian Civil War: News #9 - Page 8 CqTLRKJWEAA4eDk

    Southern Aleppo,. used as assembly area
    http://wikimapia.org/#lang=en&lat=36.122710&lon=37.070843&z=18&m=b

    Video of Uzbeks there: 3:00


    Video of destroyed tunnel:
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    Post  JohninMK Sat Aug 20, 2016 8:07 pm

    Difficult to believe this but it is certainly Grade 1 media manipulation.

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    Post  Regular Sun Aug 21, 2016 5:53 am

    calm wrote:No comment on this stupidity

    Turn your back to the frontline, really smart, they look like they have no idea where the frontline is...
    x2 same place...

    Ok, I support SAA but what the fuck is this? Arabs known nothing about fighting, maybe keep overwatch and spread the fuck out. Infantry 101
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    Post  Regular Sun Aug 21, 2016 6:04 am


    SAA makes Ukrainian army look good. Mortar strikes on their position

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