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    Post  PapaDragon Sat Jun 30, 2018 2:48 am

    AlfaT8 wrote:This drama has been going for way to long, we can only hope that all the problems have finally been hammered out and the modification are applied to the other ships.

    As far as i can see there's no choice but to continue with Gorshkov, it's the most recent and capable design, there is no alternative.
    With the possible exception of a modernized Grigorovich, but that's just gonna delay things more, and honestly the Grigorovich is already a revamped Kirvak.

    According to latest news your hope is futile:

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3254875.html
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    Post  AlfaT8 Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:16 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    AlfaT8 wrote:This drama has been going for way to long, we can only hope that all the problems have finally been hammered out and the modification are applied to the other ships.

    As far as i can see there's no choice but to continue with Gorshkov, it's the most recent and capable design, there is no alternative.
    With the possible exception of a modernized Grigorovich, but that's just gonna delay things more, and honestly the Grigorovich is already a revamped Kirvak.

    According to latest news your hope is futile:

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/3254875.html

    It might just be google translate, but he article is fairly positive.
    If true, there are still issues with the Redut that need to be hammered out, apparently.
    Either that, or the MoD, simply want another battery of test, just to be safe.
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    Post  hoom Sat Jun 30, 2018 3:32 am

    If true, there are still issues with the Redut that need to be hammered out, apparently.
    Estragon: Let's go.
    Vladimir: We can't.
    Estragon: Why not?
    Vladimir: We're waiting for Poliment-Redut.
    Estragon: (despairingly). Ah!
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    Post  Nibiru Sat Jun 30, 2018 4:29 am

    With these abysmal delays, Russia should just forget about setting up a decent Navy. If they can't get things done even under Putin's leadership, then the problems they are having are likely very severe and won't get fixed in our lifetime. such a tragic reality!
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jun 30, 2018 6:53 am

    Nibiru wrote:With these abysmal delays, Russia should just forget about setting up a decent Navy. If they can't get things done even under Putin's leadership, then the problems they are having are likely very severe and won't get fixed in our lifetime. such a tragic reality!

    Guess who misread the dosage on his Pessimism pills this morning?... FFS, the Navy runs exhaustive tests to fully evaluate the Polimant-Redut, and some people want to give up and hand the keys to Kremlin over to the Pentagon.
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    Post  hoom Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:02 am

    Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Godot
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sat Jun 30, 2018 9:41 am

    How is it that the fucking S-500 is having less problems than the S-350?
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    Post  kumbor Sat Jun 30, 2018 10:42 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:How is it that the fucking S-500 is having less problems than the S-350?

    Problems of integrating weapon system on a warship are different in comparison with land SAM system. There are strict limits considering space, damage control, and survival of the warship.
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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:01 am

    kumbor wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:How is it that the fucking S-500 is having less problems than the S-350?

    Problems of integrating weapon system on a warship are different in comparison with land SAM system. There are strict limits considering space, damage control, and survival of the warship.

    But the land S-350 is also buggy.

    I hope Im still living 80 years from now so I can read the declassified problems of the S-350 in detail.


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    Post  KomissarBojanchev Sat Jun 30, 2018 11:02 am

    hoom wrote:Admiral Flota Sovetskogo Soyuza Godot
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    eternally 5 months away...
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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Jul 02, 2018 3:53 am

    KomissarBojanchev wrote:
    kumbor wrote:
    KomissarBojanchev wrote:How is it that the fucking S-500 is having less problems than the S-350?

    Problems of integrating weapon system on a warship are different in comparison with land SAM system. There are strict limits considering space, damage control, and survival of the warship.

    But the land S-350 is also buggy.

    I hope Im still living 80 years from now so I can read the declassified problems of the S-350 in detail.

    80?.... 40 should be enough.

    Very curious case here, i thought the problems with the S-350 were production issues, after all the Korean System it's based on is already operational.
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    Post  Isos Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:33 am

    They are strugling with this redut system while they have s-300fm and could have even introduce naval s-400 by now which is far better than s-350.

    Those vls are not better than the older s-300F launchers because they are not universal and launch one type of missile or quad pack small ones which was also possible on old launchers but with biger and better missiles...

    They should stop with this class now and redesign something new for the non finished hulls and go for supergorshkov.
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    Post  hoom Mon Jul 02, 2018 1:56 pm

    They have displayed export model with Fregat & Shtil-1.
    But I don't think that makes much sense compared to just building another batch of 11356.
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    Post  miroslav Mon Jul 02, 2018 7:20 pm

    hoom wrote:They have displayed export model with Fregat & Shtil-1.
    But I don't think that makes much sense compared to just building another batch of 11356.

    It makes plenty of sense at this point, that's what I was talking about earlier, put tested platforms and gadgets but with the latest mods. Gorskov is much bigger (or bigger enough) then Grigorovic, and can fit 2 times more Caliber/Onix missiles and has, by default, space for bigger CIWS systems and 3 Shtil launch complexes.

    Also, if you take a closer look, there is plenty of space in the back for two helicopter hangars for a configuration similar to Oliver Hazard Perry class, it had a beam of 14 m, Gorskov has 16 m, so the space is there, this would be great for antisubmarine escort duties. Just put an AK630 Duet in the middle somewhere so it can protect both sides, or standard AK630's and there you go.
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    Post  miketheterrible Mon Jul 02, 2018 8:55 pm

    As far as we are aware, the issue is resolved (SAM). Latest delay was due to turbines.

    It would have been easier to install Shtil and use newer missiles that are available for Buk-M3 instead but they wanted this system working for obvious reasons.

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    Post  hoom Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:09 pm

    http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5383877
    Could it be? Finally!?  Suspect
    The head frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" is planned to be handed over to the fleet one day before the Main Naval Parade in St. Petersburg, the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (OIC) Alexei Rakhmanov told TASS.

    "There are such thoughts in the fleet, yes," he said, answering the question about whether the St. Andrew's flag will be raised on the "Gorshkov" on July 28 on the eve of Navy Day and the Main Naval Parade timed to this holiday.

    Edit: btw Gorshkov has transited to St Petersburg for Naval Parade along with an Oscar, Ustinov & one of the Udaloys
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    Post  KiloGolf Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:12 pm

    hoom wrote:http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5383877
    Could it be? Finally!?  Suspect
    The head frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" is planned to be handed over to the fleet one day before the Main Naval Parade in St. Petersburg, the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (OIC) Alexei Rakhmanov told TASS.

    "There are such thoughts in the fleet, yes," he said, answering the question about whether the St. Andrew's flag will be raised on the "Gorshkov" on July 28 on the eve of Navy Day and the Main Naval Parade timed to this holiday.

    12.5 years for a frigate. Great stuff unshaven
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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:38 pm

    KiloGolf wrote:
    hoom wrote:http://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/5383877
    Could it be? Finally!?  Suspect
    The head frigate of project 22350 "Admiral Gorshkov" is planned to be handed over to the fleet one day before the Main Naval Parade in St. Petersburg, the president of the United Shipbuilding Corporation (OIC) Alexei Rakhmanov told TASS.

    "There are such thoughts in the fleet, yes," he said, answering the question about whether the St. Andrew's flag will be raised on the "Gorshkov" on July 28 on the eve of Navy Day and the Main Naval Parade timed to this holiday.

    12.5 years for a frigate. Great stuff unshaven

    They should get other 3 ships in oh about 37.5 years and since no others were laid down in the meantime next (relatively) large medium vessel should come along in about 57 years... give or take...
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    Post  miketheterrible Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:51 pm

    Next ship is next year as because flagship was delayed to this year, next one is next year.
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    Post  hoom Wed Jul 18, 2018 6:54 pm

    Flot.com also reporting it
    https://flot.com/2018/%D0%A1%D0%B5%D0%B2%D0%B5%D1%80%D0%BD%D0%B0%D1%8F%D0%92%D0%B5%D1%80%D1%84%D1%8C31/
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    Post  Hole Wed Jul 18, 2018 9:36 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Next ship is next year as because flagship was delayed to this year, next one is next year.

    This seems to be the only real bottleneck left after the domesticly produced gas turbines are ready and the issues with Redut are solved. It seems the yard or the Navy got only enough qualified people to test one ship of this size. They should work on this. Having two or three ships of this size (or similar capabilities) under testing should be possible.
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    Post  Luq man Fri Jul 20, 2018 10:19 pm

    Admiral Kasatanov - 20/7/2018
    Still not ready, altough very close to being finished. The pace that they're working on these ships is unfortunately painfully slow.
    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov - Page 38 20-6496457-22350-admiral-flota-kasatonov-severnaya-verf-20.07.2018

    For comparison take this pic taken on 05/03/2018
    Looks like no progress at all
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    Post  Big_Gazza Sat Jul 21, 2018 5:42 am

    Luq man wrote:Looks like no progress at all

    At this stage, most activity is below decks ie equipment fit-out, cable installations, pre-commissioning, function tests. Scaffolding is for access to installed equipment for testing purposes, not actual installation works. No visible changes, but its likely that plenty is happening.
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    Post  hoom Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:34 am

    Preps for Naval Day
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    Nice aerial pics during transition from North to Baltic
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    Post  Nibiru Thu Jul 26, 2018 7:46 pm

    Government testing of Admiral Gorshkov frigate over, says shipyard


    MOSCOW, July 26. /TASS/. Acceptance report of government testing of the flagship of Project 22350, the Admiral Gorshkov, was signed in St Petersburg on Thursday, the press service of the company that built the ship, Severnaya Verf [Northern Shipyard], said in a press release.

    "On July 26, a government commission chaired by Captain First Rank Viktor Ivanov signes an acceptance report on government testing of the frigate Navy Admiral of the Soviet Union Gorshkov, Project 22350," it said.

    "On July 28, the ship will join the Russian Navy," the press release said.

    http://tass.com/defense/1014981


    So can mass production finally start soon?

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