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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 21, 2015 9:10 pm

    artjomh wrote:
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    Guys a question from a noob:

    I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?

    Maintenance access

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    It is good to finally see this ship from above. It is awesome, they really knocked it out of the park with this one.

    Wise thing to do would be to send blueprints of it to every shipyard in Russia and build as many as physically possible. russia


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    Post  chicken Tue Dec 22, 2015 11:02 am

    artjomh wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Guys a question from a noob:

    I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?

    Maintenance access

    I thought those were for reloading the Paket tubes?
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    Post  artjomh Tue Dec 22, 2015 1:01 pm

    chicken wrote:
    artjomh wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Guys a question from a noob:

    I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?

    Maintenance access

    I thought those were for reloading the Paket tubes?

    Paket's in a different place.
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    Post  Isos Tue Dec 22, 2015 6:49 pm

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    Why don't they to put another 2 Redut VLS  (or 2 shtill VLS or the little tor VLS or 1 UKSK) instead of the 130mm canon and put two 76mm canons on both side of the ship like it's done on the Horizon class ? Isn't the 130mm too big for a frigate ? Most of ships carry 76mm.

    I had the same reaction as PapaDragon when I saw the empty space. It could have been better design even if it's well armed for 130m frigate.

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    BTW the gorshlov's radar seems little comparing to Horizon's, no ?
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    Post  artjomh Tue Dec 22, 2015 9:05 pm

    Isos wrote:Why don't they to put another 2 Redut VLS  (or 2 shtill VLS or the little tor VLS or 1 UKSK) instead of the 130mm canon and put two 76mm canons on both side of the ship like it's done on the Horizon class ?

    Because that would:

    1) change center of gravity
    2) make the ship A LOT more expensive

    Look at the VLS layout of DDG-51. You can't just stick missile in every space that looks "empty" from the outside, as it affects the ship's stability, buoyancy, righting torque and other properties.

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Tue Dec 22, 2015 10:14 pm

    chicken wrote:
    artjomh wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Guys a question from a noob:

    I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?

    Maintenance access

    I thought those were for reloading the Paket tubes?

    I think you are right; each of the hatches right below the top hatches probably are for a 6 tube/container Paket launcher.
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    Post  Big_Gazza Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:28 am

    Isos wrote:Isn't the 130mm too big for a frigate ? Most of ships carry 76mm.

    A 130mm gun is vastly more effective than a pissy 76mm. Range & damage potential are greatly improved, and the shell provides more volume for future upgrades such as guided munitions.
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    Post  chicken Wed Dec 23, 2015 6:39 am

    artjomh wrote:
    chicken wrote:
    artjomh wrote:
    PapaDragon wrote:
    Guys a question from a noob:

    I noticed a lot of "empty" space on both sides of those Kalibr launchers. What is that space used for?

    Maintenance access

    I thought those were for reloading the Paket tubes?

    Paket's in a different place.

    I thought he meant these spaces.
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    Which seemed to coincide with some pictures of Paket?
    Although this looks different but probably the same method?
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Wed Dec 23, 2015 7:58 am

    chicken wrote:Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov - Page 20 04-37310

    So each of the Paket launchers on project 22350 is a 4 tube/container launcher?
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    Post  chicken Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:28 am

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    chicken wrote:Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov - Page 20 04-37310

    So each of the Paket launchers on project 22350 is a 4 tube/container launcher?

    The side doors look kinda square-ish so that's what I think too.
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Wed Dec 23, 2015 9:43 am

    As I am sure you already know, this is the hatch from inside.


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    Post  George1 Wed Dec 23, 2015 12:00 pm

    32xRedut are enough. They could add more Kalibr launchers
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    Post  Isos Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:30 pm

    George1 wrote:32xRedut are enough. They could add more Kalibr launchers

    Can the Redut VLS support kalibr missile ? They look similar on the picture but Kalibr is a big missiles.

    BTW, are they planning to put just the missile with 40 km or add the one with 120 km? I saw a image of them they doesn't have the same length.
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    Post  George1 Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:37 pm

    Isos wrote:

    BTW, are they planning to put just the missile with 40 km or add the one with 120 km? I saw a image of them they doesn't have the same length.

    Probably a mix of them. Missiles of 40km can be 4 in each launcher, those of 120km one
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    Post  artjomh Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:40 pm

    Mmmm, no, Paket is amidships, closer to the smoke stack.

    Those doors next to UKSK are for maintenance access, they are NOT launchers of any kind.

    Don't waste your time on this, these are no weapons of any kind there.
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    Post  George1 Wed Dec 23, 2015 1:50 pm

    artjomh wrote:Mmmm, no, Paket is amidships, closer to the smoke stack.

    Those doors next to UKSK are for maintenance access, they are NOT launchers of any kind.

    Don't waste your time on this, these are no weapons of any kind there.


    there is also Anti-submarine missile Kalibr version
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    Post  Isos Wed Dec 23, 2015 3:19 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Isos wrote:

    BTW, are they planning to put just the missile with 40 km or add the one with 120 km? I saw a image of them they doesn't have the same length.

    Probably a mix of them. Missiles of 40km can be 4 in each launcher, those of 120km one

    You are wrong. It's in the Rif-M VLS (S-300) that you can put 4 9M96E (40km) instead of one 48N6-2 (150 km big missile).

    The 120km missile is the 9M96E2 and is almost the same size as 9M96E. Redut is the naval Vityaz system and can use just 9M96E (40 km) missiles and maybe 9M96E2 ( that was my question).

    There are 32 cells on Gorshkov and they can accomodate just 1 missile.

    http://red-stars.org/spip.php?article319 French source, it says exactly what I said.

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    Post  PapaDragon Wed Dec 23, 2015 11:16 pm


    "Admiral Kasatonov"

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    Post  chicken Thu Dec 24, 2015 5:35 am

    artjomh wrote:Mmmm, no, Paket is amidships, closer to the smoke stack.

    Those doors next to UKSK are for maintenance access, they are NOT launchers of any kind.

    Don't waste your time on this, these are no weapons of any kind there.

    Ok, I don't know much about the ship itself, so mine was simply a conjecture.

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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 27, 2016 10:24 am

    Admiral Gorshkov armament

    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov - Page 20 0_166aeb_620f6970_XXL

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/603137.html
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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Wed Jan 27, 2016 12:04 pm

    George1 wrote:Admiral Gorshkov armament

    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov - Page 20 0_166aeb_620f6970_XXL

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/603137.html

    Paket-Eh/NK launchers should be added. In proekt 22350, the Paket-Eh/NK lanchers are fixed, quadruple, side-facing launchers to the starboard and port of the forward UKSK, underneath the hatches.
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    Post  George1 Wed Jan 27, 2016 1:27 pm

    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    George1 wrote:Admiral Gorshkov armament

    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov - Page 20 0_166aeb_620f6970_XXL

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/603137.html

    Paket-Eh/NK launchers should be added. In proekt 22350, the Paket-Eh/NK lanchers are fixed, quadruple, side-facing launchers to the starboard and port of the forward UKSK, underneath the hatches.

    91PT missile in UKSK, what is it?
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    Post  medo Wed Jan 27, 2016 5:09 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    George1 wrote:Admiral Gorshkov armament

    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov - Page 20 0_166aeb_620f6970_XXL

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/603137.html

    Paket-Eh/NK launchers should be added. In proekt 22350, the Paket-Eh/NK lanchers are fixed, quadruple, side-facing launchers to the starboard and port of the forward UKSK, underneath the hatches.

    91PT missile in UKSK, what is it?

    Antisubmarine Kalibr missile with small torpedo inside.
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    Post  George1 Fri Jan 29, 2016 2:13 am

    Frigate "Admiral Gorshkov" test weapons systems in the White Sea. Look at 0:45

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    Post  Morpheus Eberhardt Fri Jan 29, 2016 10:54 pm

    George1 wrote:
    Morpheus Eberhardt wrote:
    George1 wrote:Admiral Gorshkov armament

    Project 22350: Admiral Sergei Gorshkov - Page 20 0_166aeb_620f6970_XXL

    http://eagle-rost.livejournal.com/603137.html

    Paket-Eh/NK launchers should be added. In proekt 22350, the Paket-Eh/NK lanchers are fixed, quadruple, side-facing launchers to the starboard and port of the forward UKSK, underneath the hatches.

    91PT missile in UKSK, what is it?


    It is the 91РТ (with 91RT transliteration) antisubmarine (antisubsurface) missile.


    Here is the 91РТЭ2 (91RTEh2) member of the family:

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    Supposedly a 91RT being fired from proekt 22350 Admiral Gorshkov:

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