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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 01, 2022 1:14 am

    Interesting article, but this bit:

    You can accuse Russia and Putin of many things, but Putin and his advisers are not stupid. The largest country in the world will hardly go to war just to conquer or control a few additional square kilometers of land, which then also has to be rebuilt at great expense. Wars have always been and will always be waged for specific goals, because one hopes to gain something from them. However, Russia cannot gain anything in Ukraine that would somehow compensate for the upcoming sanctions.

    Clearly seems to think Russia somehow needs the west and has no future without it.

    After pushing Russia away and demonising Putin for most of his time as leader of Russia, after all their attempts at agreements and dialogue that have simply been met with sanctions and lectures and downright verbal abuse... do they not realise sanctions make no difference if they no longer expect to have any relations with you in the future?

    They will sell you stuff, but they will sell to anyone and you wont be getting cheap anything any more... most of their gas will likely end up going to the Asian markets which means the middle east and US companies who used to sell there will turn to europe, so you are going to have to pay a lot more and open a lot of gas stations to take the liquified gas to pump through your pipe network... you really don't have the capacity for that now.... so lots of money needs spending so you can handle sufficient amounts of a more expensive product.... production in Germany is going to get less competitive.

    But I am sure making Kiev stop shelling its own people for wanting to speak Russian was just too hard... too much work... so splitting Russia away from the west is totally worth it.

    Honestly I think Russia will suffer initially but they are used to that now and this will be worth it because they retain independence and don't take orders from the US, UK, France, Germany, EU, Poland. etc etc...

    I think the west is going to suffer too and is no where near used to suffering like this... a large block has been solidified that is not the west that the rest of the world can work with as an alternative to more colonial BS from the west.

    If you are pro west can I ask... if ethical coffee means the farmers that grow the coffee beans get a fair wage for the value of the final product in the west... why is it even possible to buy any other type of coffee?

    Unethical coffee is farmers getting cents for products sold in the west with 1,000% markups and we wonder why they remain poor and coffee companies are so rich and powerful.

    Is it only coffee?

    Of course not.

    The west is designed to steal from the third world, and instead of mending its ways and embracing the second world with the first and then work together to drag the third world up so everyone can be a first world country... well we know what they chose to do... treat them like a third world country they could boss around but Putin wouldn't be bossed around like that drunk and best friend to the Clintons Yeltsin.

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    Post  Firebird Wed Mar 02, 2022 9:07 pm

    Something I was wondering about was the moronic UN votes of recent days.
    Does anyone know what the wording or the significance of these was?

    Why are so many countries the bitch of Uncle Sham?
    In population terms (eg India and China = 3 billion) the resolution was pretty much nullified.
    But why so many maggots all siding with the United Snakes?
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    Post  GarryB Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:27 pm

    The current international economic and political system is controlled by the US, and if you don't have any stake in the race then why make waves.

    What they also appreciate is that the US uses these international organisations and structures to bully and punish its enemies for often nothing more than not doing as they are told... they will wrap it up in moral and ethical terms but it all boils down to do what we say or you are not part of the gang and if you are not with us then you are against us.

    Ironically that means you can read abstentions in votes to essentially be against the US even when they are supposed to be very close allies...

    The last time there was a vote on nazi issues only the US and Ukraine voted for nazis shit staying legal... they claimed it was all about freedom of speech.

    Doesn't seem to apply to RT or Sputnik though.

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    Post  kvs Wed Mar 02, 2022 10:30 pm

    Firebird wrote:Something I was wondering about was the moronic UN votes of recent days.
    Does anyone know what the wording or the significance of these was?

    Why are so many countries the bitch of Uncle Sham?
    In population terms (eg India and China = 3 billion) the resolution was pretty much nullified.
    But why so many maggots all siding with the United Snakes?

    Petty concerns. A lot of countries have issues with "territorial integrity". They are also dependent on the
    US dominated financial system and are afraid of sanctions.

    The nature of power is about those that dominate and those that submit. The US has been the dominant
    power for decades and all the powerless countries know which ass to sniff. But the glacier is moving and
    about to surge. There is a critical level of economic development outside of US and minion control. China
    and Russia are actually more powerful than the US and the EU in terms of military power and real economic
    power.

    When it becomes clear to the poodles that their alpha dog is weak, then there will be a massive flipping of
    alignment. The US and its minions are desperate.

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    Post  Firebird Thu Mar 03, 2022 7:46 am

    GarryB wrote:The current international economic and political system is controlled by the US, and if you don't have any stake in the race then why make waves.

    What they also appreciate is that the US uses these international organisations and structures to bully and punish its enemies for often nothing more than not doing as they are told... they will wrap it up in moral and ethical terms but it all boils down to do what we say or you are not part of the gang and if you are not with us then you are against us.

    Ironically that means you can read abstentions in votes to essentially be against the US even when they are supposed to be very close allies...

    The last time there was a vote on nazi issues only the US and Ukraine voted for nazis shit staying legal... they claimed it was all about freedom of speech.

    Doesn't seem to apply to RT or Sputnik though.

    I did some brief digging on the topic.
    The US has military "bases" in 80 countries, around 750 of them.
    Then it has bases by different names eg in the Ukraine (or did have til they were smoked).
    "Forward installations", "lillypads" etc.

    Ontop of that are all the countries under US financial and political hegemony.
    Even Russia was under some form of financial hegemony because it was part of the US controlled dollar financial system.

    Countries that "disobey" Uncle Sham get harrassed, terrorised, or even destroyed.
    They even did it with Germany and France. (Massive fines for VW and banks etc for alleged "criminality") Iraq genocided because it wanted to sell oil in euros. ANd India is now complaining about being harrassed into BS UN "resolutions".

    I never really realised how endemic US hegemony actually has been.
    Even the EU with over 400 m people is regularly shown to be America's gimp.

    Even Russia and China are still restricted by Uncle Sham, but breaking free as we speak.

    I think we're literally seeing two or more Worlds forming again.
    In many ways a far more combative situation that Cold War 1.

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    Post  George1 Thu Mar 03, 2022 8:33 pm

    West's Censorship of RT, Sputnik & Psy-Ops Against Russians is Sign of Weakness, Say US Analysts

    https://sputniknews.com/20220303/wests-censorship-of-rt-sputnik--psy-ops-against-russians-is-sign-of-weakness-say-us-analysts-1093528682.html

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    Post  GarryB Fri Mar 04, 2022 1:17 am

    Putin deals with western propaganda in Russia by generally just letting them speak... they reveal their real agendas and feelings quickly enough...


    Their criminal activities normally make it easy to then expose them for what they are...
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    Post  andalusia Sun Mar 06, 2022 5:50 pm

    One should not be surprised that these right wing reactionaries are protesting Russia.  They are the political scum elites in their respective countries that were friends with Uncle Sam: https://www.miamiherald.com/news/local/community/miami-dade/article259017383.html

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    Post  AlfaT8 Mon Mar 28, 2022 8:06 pm

    I am not even sure where to post this.



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    Post  GarryB Tue Mar 29, 2022 12:06 am

    The weird thing is that the US had bio weapons labs all over the world and funded the one in China where Covid is believed to have come from... (funny that because it originated in a market near that lab that the lab gets the blame... when novachok is detected within 16km or Porton Down in the UK... twice.... within a few months, there is no suspicion of leaks or security problems at the UKs biggest Bio weapons labs.... but anyway...).

    The point I am getting at is with all these well funded labs around the world the bio security response of the US particularly and the west in general was pathetic... so what are they even doing in these labs... it is certainly not about prevention and protection...

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    Post  Kiko Thu Apr 07, 2022 3:53 pm

    Don't know where to post this piece of slander.

    Russia says it is perplexed by Biden administration sanctions against Putin's daughters, 07.04.2022.

    The Kremlin said on Thursday (7) that it was perplexed by the United States ' decision to impose sanctions on President Vladimir Putin's adult daughters, describing the move as part of a broader Western frenzy against Russia.

    New U.S. sanctions against Moscow for its military intervention in Ukraine on Wednesday targeted Russian banks and elites, including Putin's daughters Katerina and Maria, who U.S. officials believe are hiding their father's wealth.

    "Of course, we consider these sanctions in themselves as the extension of an absolutely mad position on imposing restrictions," Kremlin spokesman Dmitry Peskov told reporters. "In any case, the ongoing row about imposing restrictions against family members speaks for itself."

    Peskov said the Kremlin could not understand why Putin's daughters would be targeted.

    "This is something that is difficult to understand and explain," he said. "Unfortunately, we have to deal with these opponents."

    Putin's daughter, Katerina Tikhonova, is a technology executive whose work supports the Russian government and its defense industry, according to details of the U.S. sanctions package announced on Wednesday.

    His other daughter, Maria Vorontsova, leads government-funded programs that have received billions of dollars from the Kremlin for genetic research and are personally supervised by Putin, the United States said.

    Putin has always kept his and his family's private lives out of the spotlight. The Kremlin often dismisses questions about them, citing their right to privacy.

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    https://www.brasil247.com/mundo/russia-diz-que-esta-perplexa-com-sancoes-do-governo-biden-contra-filhas-de-putin
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    Post  kvs Thu Apr 07, 2022 4:59 pm

    Peskov is turning out to be a hysteric. He has been making a slew of statements that make Russia look bad and is applying a pro-NATzO
    spin. This has alarmed many in Russia. He is spending way too much time reacting to NATzO abuse of human rights with soft waffle
    language. He should devote one sentence to the story and maintain the proper focus.

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 08, 2022 12:25 am

    Biden puts sanctions on Putins daughters and you blame Peskov?

    I would think Hunter Biden would be an excellent target for Russian counter sanctions, yet they are not playing that game.

    Amusing suggesting one of Putins daughters is involved in suspicious genetic experiments... because obviously when you get caught doing something bad then you accused innocent people around you of sinister stuff too...

    It seems Hunter Biden has been funding bio weapons labs in the Ukraine but it is Putins daughter being sanctioned.... what a world we live in.

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    Post  Podlodka77 Tue Apr 19, 2022 11:30 am

    Opinions section, TASS
    19 Apr, 14:15

    "Pacific NATO" wants to expand at the expense of Japan?

    Vasily Golovnin on the prospects for Japan to join the US, UK and Australia in AUKUS


    In mid-April, a small sensation stirred up Japanese political life - the US, UK and Australia were allegedly informally aggressively inviting Tokyo to join their still trilateral AUKUS military partnership, which these countries created last fall mainly to counter China. And now, of course, Russia.
    The news was reported by the Sankei Shimbun newspaper, citing insider sources, and the information was immediately denied by the government. Japanese cabinet secretary general Hirokazu Matsuno said at a press conference in Tokyo that reports of attempts to connect Japan to AUKUS "are not true."

    However, they did not really believe the refutation - Tokyo's proximity to the United States, Britain and Australia is beyond doubt, and military contacts have been growing between them for a long time and firmly. Therefore, it seems to me that creating some special relationship with AUKUS would be quite logical. Tokyo, for example, has the official status of a NATO partner, and Japanese representatives work at the alliance's headquarters on a permanent basis. In addition, Sankei Shimbun is known for good sources of information, including in military circles.


    Little Japanese NATO


    According to the newspaper, Australia, Great Britain and the United States are primarily interested in connecting the economic and technological potential of Japan to military development, which is supposed to be carried out on a collective basis. We are talking about the creation of hypersonic weapons, means of electronic and cyber warfare, the use of artificial intelligence devices and cryptosystems for the needs of the armed forces. Tokyo, by the way, is already developing in these areas. The whole problem, apparently, may lie precisely in the form of registration of cooperation.

    According to the Sankei Shimbun, there are fervent supporters in Tokyo for a formal partnership that is said to boost China's collective containment capability. At the same time, there are adherents of a more cautious approach. They are in favor of developing contacts based on bilateral relations with the United States, Great Britain and Australia, with which Tokyo already has separate agreements on military cooperation.
    It should be borne in mind that Japan, paradoxically, has already almost created its own small NATO. It has extensive systems of bilateral military agreements not only with the US, but also with Australia, Britain, France and even India. Attempts are being made to build something similar with Vietnam and the Philippines. The agreements create a legal basis for holding joint military exercises, importing weapons and ammunition from foreign armies, and in some cases allow for mutual support in combat conditions.


    AUKUS plans

    Against this background, by the way, in Tokyo they can leave contacts with AUKUS at an active informal level, so as not to tie their hands and not create an open crisis in relations with China. Proponents of a cautious approach also refer to the fact that Japan's legislation still retains vague restrictions on participation in multilateral military alliances.
    However, this, of course, is unlikely to interfere with cooperation in the joint development of weapons with the AUKUS countries. And in general, it is obvious that Japan, as the main Pacific ally of the United States, is a natural partner of this structure, even if Tokyo does not enter into it in an official capacity.

    As part of a trilateral agreement signed in September 2021, Canberra primarily plans to build at least eight nuclear submarines for itself with the help of American and British technologies, the first of which is expected to enter the country's navy in 2036. It is also about equipping the Australian Armed Forces with American long-range cruise missiles. Members of AUKUS this year also announced their intention to cooperate in the creation of hypersonic combat systems.


    Second Front in the South Pacific

    This "troika" has an addition in the region - a dialogue on security issues Quad ("Four"). It includes Australia, India, the United States and Japan, which regularly conduct fairly large-scale joint naval exercises, sometimes with the involvement of France as well. However, the scope of the "Four" is trying to expand, extending it to cooperation in new technologies and other civilian projects. This structure is actively invited, for example, South Korea; I think there are some plans for other countries in the region as well.

    Russia and China have repeatedly, including at the level of Russian President Vladimir Putin and Chinese President Xi Jinping, expressed alarm and displeasure in connection with the creation of such structures. Beijing, for example, claims that the emergence of AUKUS is based on the Cold War mentality and will exacerbate the arms race. The PRC also called this grouping "an attempt to create a Pacific NATO."

    China's concern is understandable - equipping the Australian Navy with nuclear-powered missile submarines, for example, seriously worsens China's strategic position in the South Pacific and the Indian Ocean, in fact opening a second front to counter Beijing there. The same submarines will be able to operate along with the American and Japanese off the Russian coast. In addition, the naval exercises of the Quartet member countries have already taken place in addition to the Indian Ocean and in the waters of the Far East.

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    Post  PhSt Sat Apr 23, 2022 11:37 am


    U.S. warns of response to any permanent China military presence in Solomons

    A senior-level U.S. delegation met the Solomon Islands' leader on Friday and warned that Washington would have "significant concerns and respond accordingly" to any steps to establish a permanent Chinese military presence in the Pacific island nation.

    https://www.reuters.com/world/asia-pacific/us-adviser-campbell-visits-solomon-islands-after-china-pact-signed-2022-04-22/

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2022/apr/23/us-warns-solomon-islands-against-china-military-base-as-australian-mps-trade-blame

    Gee, meanwhile the Unazi Snakes have forward bases in Japan and South Korea that are aimed at China  Rolling Eyes

    So the Baltics and Ukraine have the sovereign right to host US bases, but countries like the Solomon Islands have no right to host non-NATzO bases. Such an astonishing NATzO hypocrisy  Laughing  Laughing

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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 23, 2022 10:52 pm

    Yeah, we are going to contain and isolate countries we deem to be a threat to our dictatorship, and when they push back or don't learn to behave the way we want them to behave then it is their aggression... poor innocent Solomon Islands... they are young and don't know what they are doing... don't you love that irony... China has had a civilisation that goes back to America and Europe being hunter gatherers but it is the west that knows best...

    Good to see the rest of the world starting to embrace the change... so many have been brainwashed about the Evil Chinese trying to steal the wests markets and resources from the west... because the west owns the Solomon Islands and those islanders can't make their own choices obviously.

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    Post  owais.usmani Fri Apr 29, 2022 12:03 pm

    Seems some sane Americans are still alive:




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    Post  GarryB Sat Apr 30, 2022 12:23 am

    Ontop of that are all the countries under US financial and political hegemony.

    In New Zealand we have Whenuapai where they have the listening systems for spying on the Pacific and Asia, but we also have their base in Christchurch for supporting their antarctic operations too, and it wouldn't surprise me if there weren't other bases... NASA is funding some work here too regarding rockets and atmosphere testing with balloons etc and the NSA works with our GCSB.

    I think we're literally seeing two or more Worlds forming again.
    In many ways a far more combative situation that Cold War 1.

    But there were always three worlds... the two parts actively fighting... the western world is the first world and the second world was the communist world, while the third world never really took active part but were used for resources and war zones.

    The change is essentially the second world is no longer limited to communist countries and their surrogates or hangers on... and might expand into the third world bringing themup to their level... something the west and the first world never did unless it was of critical urgency... like Germany and Japan joining the west in the interests of bolstering their capabilities against the Soviets after WWII despite them being on the Axis side and adopting eastern europe and some ex soviet states after the end of the cold war...

    They don't seem to be in a hurry to make them rich or powerful so to start with it might seem like a great deal.. lifted out of the water that the second world sank in at the end of the cold war but it seems they can't get above the servant quarters level on the wests ship, while Russia has raised its ship out of the water and is trading with China and has now stopped trying to be friends with the west and is looking elsewhere for friends and allies and trade partners.

    The children in Poland and the baltic states and other eastern and western european countries might regret the decisions their parents have made.

    Edit:
    Seems some sane Americans are still alive

    The sane ones were always there, but up until now the western media has been ignoring them and stepping over them and past them to put their microphones in front of the pro war nutters who think western weapons will obliterate Russia as easily as they obliterate everyone else they pick a fight with... ignoring the fact that they don't get the truth in those situations and no country is actually a walk over and lots of other factors have to come in to play for these victories like sanctions to weaken and isolate...

    The fact that the sane people are getting a voice suggests perhaps those that control what we hear realise no matter what weapons HATO pumps into the Ukraine that Russia is going to do what they want to do and no sanctions will stop them... is this really worth destroying the west for... because Russia certainly has the nuclear capacity to do that easily... they wont because it means their destruction too, but when that is going to happen anyway they might as well protect the rest of the world from the west when the west takes them out.

    The question is will these thinkers be listened too and will more dissenting voices be heard or will it be pushed back under the carpet and calls for sending in HATO troops continue.

    I suspect this talk has come from people hearing the plan for Poland to enter Ukraine with their troops... which would make them fair game for the Russian forces... I am sure if Russia sent in forces to help the Taliban or even just sent them MANPADS and ATGMs the west would go ballistic about how dangerous these weapons are and sending thousands to terrorist hands is irresponsible and any civilian airliner getting shot down will be all Russias fault going forward... blah blah blah...

    Double standards are fun aren't they?
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    Post  PhSt Thu May 12, 2022 4:34 am



    Finland’s president and PM make statement on NATO

    Russia’s northern neighbor will seek membership in the US-led military bloc

    President Sauli Niinisto and Prime Minister Sanna Marin of Finland made a joint statement on Thursday morning, confirming their nation’s desire to become part of NATO. The country refrained from asking for accession during the Cold War, but made a U-turn after the Russian attack against Ukraine in February.

    The statement expressed the view that “as a member of NATO, Finland would strengthen the entire defense alliance.” The two officials said their country “must apply for NATO membership without delay”.

    https://www.rt.com/news/555342-finland-nato-membership-bid/

    By joining NATzO Finland has turned itself into a major threat to Russian national security. From what we are all witnessing now, minorities don't really feel any gratitude towards Russia when they are allowed to secede, the Russian empire allowed Finland to be independent, the Soviets did the same the Ukraine, Baltics and Georgia, look at what people of these countries are doing now, they are all hellbent in in their desire to destroying Russia. Once Russia is finished exterminating the Ukronazis, Russia will have to clean the Baltics and Finland to show to the world that Article 5 is just a BIG JOKE. attack

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    Post  Hole Sat Jun 11, 2022 7:20 am

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    Is something up in Nicaragua?
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    Post  Kiko Sat Jun 11, 2022 4:00 pm

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    Is something up in Nicaragua?

    Russian troops are now being admitted in Nicaraguan territory for starting humanitarian purposes. Nicaragua, Venezuela and Cuba were not invited by Blinken's State Department to Biden's Summit of the Americas now being held in LA, USA.

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    Post  GarryB Sun Jun 12, 2022 4:13 am

    Once Russia is finished exterminating the Ukronazis, Russia will have to clean the Baltics and Finland to show to the world that Article 5 is just a BIG JOKE. attack

    Technically it is the current governments of Finland and Sweden making these choices... haven't read about any referendums regarding this, but then being Europe you don't need referendums... just ask Washington.

    I would say the best revenge the Russian people could get with Finland and Sweden is make them trade in Rubles for everything with Russia... which would result in them stopping all trade because the US wont allow that. Reorient the regions exports and trade towards international products and efforts and move trade to the ports and air ports and rail links to the rest of the world.

    These countries are like the Baltic states and were upset when Russia stopped routing trade through their ports and started shifting them to their own Russian ports.

    The money that used to go through Baltic ports and Baltic rail lines were shifted to Russian ports and Russian rail lines...

    Because if you look at the Ukraine the US was keen on the Neon and the Grain and other resources but left Antonov and Motor Sich and other potential rivals to their own MIC to shrivel and die... why would they do anything different with Finland and Sweden...
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    Post  Kiko Mon Jun 13, 2022 2:23 pm

    Russia's strategic capability in Central America surprised the US, newspaper says, 13.06.2022.

    The Russian strategy in relations with Nicaragua surprised the US, according to Steven Blank of The Hill newspaper.

    Earlier, Nicaraguan President Daniel Ortega allowed the temporary presence of foreign military personnel in the country, including from Russia, for humanitarian purposes.

    This permission was received by troops from Venezuela, Honduras, Guatemala, Cuba, the Dominican Republic, Mexico, El Salvador and the USA, as well as from Russia.

    The permit not only involves ground troops, but also the temporary deployment of warships and aircraft.

    According to the newspaper, this measure could make possible the first significant appearance of Russian troops in Central America, allowing a strong presence in Nicaragua.

    In addition, the author of the article points out that if Russia sends warships to the country, the parties will be able to conclude an agreement on the permanent deployment of the Russian fleet in the region, allowing Moscow to create naval bases in Central America.

    Another factor highlighted by the newspaper is that in this way, Russia can also establish economic and military ties with developing countries, gaining influence abroad, which caught the US off guard.

    "Russia was able to develop this strategy despite its economic constraints, as the US did not pay enough attention to events in these countries," the newspaper said.

    Thus, the newspaper points out that with American arrogance, the US is losing influence in the Americas and creating opportunities for other powers, such as Russia.

    Yandex Translate from Portuguese

    https://br.sputniknews.com/20220613/capacidade-estrategica-da-russia-na-america-central-surpreendeu-eua-aponta-jornal-23060694.html

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