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    Post  Isos 02/02/20, 03:45 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    DerWolf wrote:NATO drills indicate preparations for large-scale conflict — Russian General Staff
    https://tass.com/defense/1100381

    Us think that a conflict with Russia will only remain conventional, thats a bad way of thinking.

    It will unless NATO manages to get upper hand and move in Russian territory... in which case it will be instant Dr. Strangelove

    First Europe as a warning shot and if they don't back off USA mainland as well

    They just keep forgetting what nukes are for...


    There lot of isolated US bases that would be bigger and more valuable targets. A nuk in europe would end the war and the situation wouldn't change much, only a radioactive forest.

    But if they nuk two or three US bases in Pacific that would strenghten Chinese positions as the new world leader.
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    Post  GarryB 02/02/20, 07:20 am

    I doubt if Americans and American politicians would really care about a tactical Russian strike against Europe... of course publicly they would be shocked and horrified for their allies, but behind closed doors they could care less because it was not US territory that was hit.

    If NATO start something with Russia is makes the most sense for Russia to strike back at the head of NATO and that is the US.

    I would think a conventional NATO attack on Russia would result in a nuclear response from Russia because I doubt they would expect to solve such a problem with conventional forces anyway.

    Of course using MiG-31s with Kinzhal and destroying entire NATO fleets sent north to intervene would be satisfying...

    Personally I would target all US bases in Europe but also major capital cities and population centres of countries with US bases in them as a punishment for allowing US forces into the region.

    Russia bled a lot during WWII... lets make the Europeans and Americans bleed more of their fair share in WWIII...
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    Post  kvs 06/04/20, 03:48 am

    https://tomluongo.me/2020/04/04/u-s-cold-war-shifted-russia-china/

    Has the U.S. Cold War Shifted from Russia to China?

    This is a Cold War that NATzO is destined to lose. Russia's resources and technological capability combined with Chinese
    production, technological capability, and finances together with its largest GDP on the planet (in real terms, not BS forex
    terms) are unstoppable. Africa and the former colonial hinterland will fall into the economic and hence political sphere
    of China and Russia. This will kill off NATzO cold and hard. NATzO is a colonialist relic that still needs to leech off
    colonies to function. China and Russia will bury the western colonial project once and for all.

    And US aircraft carriers are not going to stop this process. Development of the 3rd world is choking the spice flow
    to NATzO.

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    Post  kvs 14/05/20, 09:45 pm

    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-could-cut-whole-relationship-war-words-between-trump-and-beijing-heating

    Trumpy and the yanqui exceptionalist-stan are deluded about China's vulnerability. China's GDP growth over most of the last
    20 years has been driven by internal demand and not exports. So attempts to cut China off from western export markets
    will result in some pain but will lead to export and import substitution since China has the economic diversity and critical
    mass to do this. Just like the yanquis are utterly deluded about their BS sanctions cutting Russia off from precious western
    capital and imports, they are deluded about the level of damage they can do to China.

    In fact, no western country can cut China off cold turkey. It would take 10+ years just to rebuild all of the offshored industry.
    But if China is cut off over a 10 year transition period, it can adjust its trade regime as well. So the precious west is just
    waving its dick around.

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    Post  par far 15/05/20, 12:03 am

    kvs wrote:https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/we-could-cut-whole-relationship-war-words-between-trump-and-beijing-heating

    Trumpy and the yanqui exceptionalist-stan are deluded about China's vulnerability.   China's GDP growth over most of the last
    20 years has been driven by internal demand and not exports.   So attempts to cut China off from western export markets
    will result in some pain but will lead to export and import substitution since China has the economic diversity and critical
    mass to do this.   Just like the yanquis are utterly deluded about their BS sanctions cutting Russia off from precious western
    capital and imports, they are deluded about the level of damage they can do to China.  

    In fact, no western country can cut China off cold turkey.   It would take 10+ years just to rebuild all of the offshored industry.
    But if China is cut off over a 10 year transition period, it can adjust its trade regime as well.   So the precious west is just
    waving its dick around.



    This is very true. I think the one country(there are many) that will fall on a sword of lies of the west is India. India disillusioned by Donald Dump, has saved up land twice the size of Luxembourg(they have kicked off a lot of people from their land and houses without giving the proper compensation), so western companies, that are "looking to move" from China, can "build their factories". This is bound to go badly for India because most Indian politicians are corrupt. India is also breaking off from BRICS and becoming a ally of the US. What Modi is trying to do is, sit on two chairs and in the end he will likely sit on neither.

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    Post  GarryB 15/05/20, 07:11 am

    You can't blame India for taking advantage of the situation between China and the US... those US companies are going to be moved out of China... and they wont be going to the US because of costs... they will be heading to India and Bangledesh and Malaysia and Thailand etc etc etc...
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    Post  par far 15/05/20, 07:11 am

    GarryB wrote:I doubt if Americans and American politicians would really care about a tactical Russian strike against Europe... of course publicly they would be shocked and horrified for their allies, but behind closed doors they could care less because it was not US territory that was hit.

    If NATO start something with Russia is makes the most sense for Russia to strike back at the head of NATO and that is the US.

    I would think a conventional NATO attack on Russia would result in a nuclear response from Russia because I doubt they would expect to solve such a problem with conventional forces anyway.

    Of course using MiG-31s with Kinzhal and destroying entire NATO fleets sent north to intervene would be satisfying...

    Personally I would target all US bases in Europe but also major capital cities and population centres of countries with US bases in them as a punishment for allowing US forces into the region.

    Russia bled a lot during WWII... lets make the Europeans and Americans bleed more of their fair share in WWIII...


    This is just a hypothetical question, would Americans and American politicians care, if Russia did a tactical strike on Israel, if Israel had attacked Russian bases in Syria?


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    Post  par far 15/05/20, 07:13 am

    GarryB wrote:You can't blame India for taking advantage of the situation between China and the US... those US companies are going to be moved out of China... and they wont be going to the US because of costs... they will be heading to India and Bangledesh and Malaysia and Thailand etc etc etc...

    I am pretty sure that those companies will be moved out of China at some point. What do you think will the Chinese do in response? I am pretty sure they have been preparing for this but what do you think they will do?
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    Post  kvs 15/05/20, 07:56 am

    GarryB wrote:You can't blame India for taking advantage of the situation between China and the US... those US companies are going to be moved out of China... and they wont be going to the US because of costs... they will be heading to India and Bangledesh and Malaysia and Thailand etc etc etc...

    Trump represents the de-offshoring faction of the US elites. The MAGA slogan is not just vapid hot air. The globalist clowns thought
    they could gain hundreds of millions of customers in China and India and the rest of the "developing" world and that throwing Americans
    and Europeans under the bus was small price to pay. It turns out that Chinese and Indian companies put up show stopper competition
    for those hundreds of millions of new consumers. At the same time the sweatshop profits that western transnationals were raking in
    have started to decline substantially over the last 10 years as the natural evolution of development is raising wages in previously
    dirt poor countries.

    It is shocking to me how arrogant and stupid western elites are. That they did not consider the above predictable outcomes of economic
    development is pure fail. Now they are scrambling to rebuild what they let rot away since the 1970s.

    Following MAGA, western transnationals will be re-shoring production to America and western countries. India will not be the new offshore
    paradise even if the workers make less money than in China. The globalist economics era is ending.

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    Post  magnumcromagnon 18/05/20, 06:12 am

    "Just days after Mike Pompeo’s visit to “Israel”, the Chinese ambassador to “Israel” has been found dead."

    https://twitter.com/Mahyar313/status/1261927065756057600

    Chinese ambassador to Israel found dead at his residence

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    Information comes from Israel regarding the ambassador of the People's Republic of China. Local media report that the Chinese diplomatic representative was found dead this morning.


    According to recent reports, Ambassador Du Wei was discovered without signs of life in his residence located in Herzliya. This is a resort town located near Tel Aviv.

    It is noted that several ambulance crews and law enforcement officers arrived at the residence of the Chinese ambassador.

    Journalists tried to find out what is the cause of the death of Du Wei.

    At the moment, the official summary is as follows:

    The Chinese ambassador to Israel died in a dream. The cause of his death was a heart attack.

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    The Chinese Foreign Ministry confirmed the death of the ambassador.

    For reference:

    Du Wei arrived in Israel as the new ambassador of China in early 2020. It is added that this arrival took place before the “officially recorded outbreak of coronavirus infection in Israel”. Data on whether 58-year-old Du Wei had heart problems was not available at this time.

    Du Wei still has a spouse and a son. Their occupation is not reported. According to recent reports, a group of Chinese doctors went to Tel Aviv with whom Israeli colleagues should share data on the causes of the death of the Chinese ambassador.

    https://topwar.ru/171314-posol-kitaja-v-izraile-obnaruzhen-mertvym-v-svoej-rezidencii.html
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    Post  kvs 18/05/20, 06:46 am

    Pure mafia tactics. I believe this is proof of the high level of desperation of the yanquis and their fellow travelers. But such
    dirty tricks will not work on countries like Russia and China.

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    Post  GarryB 18/05/20, 11:45 am

    This is just a hypothetical question, would Americans and American politicians care, if Russia did a tactical strike on Israel, if Israel had attacked Russian bases in Syria?

    Americans irrationally sympathise with Israel. Israel can intentionally attack a US ship and kill about 30-40 of the Sailors on board and injure another 130 or 140 and the US will do nothing about it.

    If Iran looked at a US ship funny they would "return fire" in self defence...

    I am pretty sure that those companies will be moved out of China at some point. What do you think will the Chinese do in response? I am pretty sure they have been preparing for this but what do you think they will do?

    To be honest I think china has outgrown those companies anyway... they are never going to be chinese companies, so while they are an education on how a company can be successful and competitive in the long term they are foreign owned companies that compete with Chinese owned companies for market share at home and abroad.

    The Chinese response should be to get behind the Chinese companies that do the same thing and support them internationally to replace these hostile western companies in the Chinese and international market.

    Russia does not have a local Apple direct equivalent and therefore would be much better off with Huawei rather than the choice of Apple or nothing else. If there is a Russian direct equivalent then competition with Huawei is a win win because it challenges the Russian maker to work harder, but the competition is not so destructive and insidious to Russia as Apple is.... with their software and hardware backdoors for the CIA and NSA...

    Trump represents the de-offshoring faction of the US elites. The MAGA slogan is not just vapid hot air. The globalist clowns thought
    they could gain hundreds of millions of customers in China and India and the rest of the "developing" world and that throwing Americans
    and Europeans under the bus was small price to pay. It turns out that Chinese and Indian companies put up show stopper competition
    for those hundreds of millions of new consumers. At the same time the sweatshop profits that western transnationals were raking in
    have started to decline substantially over the last 10 years as the natural evolution of development is raising wages in previously
    dirt poor countries.

    Trump is saying what he is saying to get votes.... he could care less about American workers... it is the 0.1% that control the US... he couldn't force Apple to come home any more than he could force the military to fix all the problems on the F-35 within budget...

    Offshore production bypasses workers rights and payrate laws... you can wipe out more people than were directly killed by Chernobyl and get away scott free if you are a chemical company with a factory in India... it would have destroyed a lot of very rich families if that had happened in the US... instead they just folded up the company and there was no one left to sue or to take to court.

    Following MAGA, western transnationals will be re-shoring production to America and western countries. India will not be the new offshore
    paradise even if the workers make less money than in China. The globalist economics era is ending.

    The problem is that looking at his other policies of better relations with Russia and bringing the troops home, I would not hold my breath regarding moving US tech companies workforce back to the US...

    Ironically they have a problem with Porto Rico.... they should make it a tax free zone for the US companies operating there... it would solve the problems of the locals and the big companies...

    "Just days after Mike Pompeo’s visit to “Israel”, the Chinese ambassador to “Israel” has been found dead."

    When I read that I was expecting to see... Cause of death suspected to be suicide as the injuries... 6 stab wounds to the back, three gunshots to the heart and four to the head, with hands and feet amputated with the arms and legs bound... suggest suicide...
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    Post  George1 23/05/20, 11:35 am

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    Post  par far 23/05/20, 09:58 pm

    George1 wrote:


    US and China have been involved in a Cold War for a while. Where time Pompeo open his mouth, I just want put something in it.
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    Post  GarryB 24/05/20, 10:52 am

    Ironically it is the US that sees itself as humanity... it is the super power... some even call it a hyper power.... pushing China away will seriously damage the US, and while China might feel some pains initially I think in the long term it will actually be really good for them to not become Americas bitch... to stand up to the bully....
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    Post  kvs 05/10/20, 08:35 pm



    This subject fits in the context of this thread.

    China has imposed some sanity on the activity of the US embassy in Hong Kong. Now any US "diplomat" aka spy has to
    get permission to interact with any citizen of Hong Kong (both regulars and officials) and to visit any location. Russia
    clearly needs to do the same.

    I am rather surprised how lax foreign embassies are treated. Allowing foreign "diplomats" unfettered access to the country
    is absurd. The job of diplomats is diplomacy and not to succor sedition. How can it be in the scope of the agreement
    to establish embassies to allow such activity even if it is under a mask of neutrality? It should also be illegal for citizens
    to visit foreign embassies for the purpose of 5th column activity. Yet in Russia we have the so-called non systemic opposition
    hang out with US spies both inside and outside US embassies and consulates.

    The Chinese action follows similar restrictions imposed by bloody hypocrite Uncle Swine-shit so can be considered reciprocal.
    But really, US embassies are spy infiltration centers. Russia does not engage in succoring sedition in the USA so it does not
    need any such access. Slicing off the direct access from US embassies in Russia is in Russia's national interest.


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    Post  Kiko 03/12/20, 05:27 pm

    Don't know where to insert this but it's relevant.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-deploys-missiles-islands-claimed-japan-after-tense-us-navy-standoff.
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    Post  kvs 03/12/20, 10:38 pm

    Kiko wrote:Don't know where to insert this but it's relevant.
    https://www.zerohedge.com/geopolitical/russia-deploys-missiles-islands-claimed-japan-after-tense-us-navy-standoff

    The article is typical chest thumping yanqui BS.  The USA is in no position to recognize or not recognize Russia's
    maritime boundaries.

    1) It has not signed the UNTC and claims shelf resources in a purely ad hoc manner

    2) It routinely uses military ships to cruise in territorial waters of other countries even though the Law of the Sea
    only allows civilian ships safe passage.   The law is similar to trespassing laws in that the owner of the land has
    to give notice to prevent people crossing his/her property.   Unless a country bans transit to civilian shipping, then
    it is allowed.   Military shipping is not.

    3) Violates the Law of the Sea by claiming that collisions between small US boats and foreign freighters in
    international waters are "hit and run crimes".   They are no such thing and large ships always have the right of
    way.   This includes running over fishing boats.   There are physical reasons for this since no large ship can stop
    or turn on a dime.  The onus is on the small boat operator to get out of the way.

    The missile deployments to the Kuriles predate the incident with the yanqui tub and are not some response to it.
    And Japan's claims to the four Kurile islands is pure BS.  It lost in WWII but acts like a winner.   The USSR was
    engaged in full warfare with Japan in Manchuria and defeated the one million strong Kwantung army.   It
    never signed any deal with Japan about territorial transfers.   Japan cannot claim a time-out in a war.

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    Post  miketheterrible 03/12/20, 10:42 pm

    the US ship still fled the area after the russians threatened them. They just try their bravado but others just laugh.

    The Kuril Islands, as KVS said, is already undergoing military re-equipped. I think a new navy base is supposed to be built in the area.
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    Post  LMFS 04/12/20, 03:09 am

    I found this interesting:

    We are quite capable of adding two and two together. And we see how syphilised Europe supports the Nazi regimes and pretends not to notice the deaths of Russians in Donbass. This means only one thing: the real, not declared, ideology of the European Union is Nazism again. “I don’t feel sorry for inferior Russian barbarians”.

    But we will no longer allow concentration camps to be built for our elderly, women and children. That’s enough.

    The hypocrisy of the European Nazis has already thoroughly made us sick and tired. If you once again show your learning disabilities on the example of past defeats, then the Emperor can after all arrange an Exterminatus.

    Be afraid of Russian fatigue…


    https://www.stalkerzone.org/be-afraid-of-russian-fatigue/

    I would add hat the ideology of Europe never stopped being nazism, other than that the article is spot on...

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    Post  kvs 04/12/20, 03:24 am

    LMFS wrote:I found this interesting:

    We are quite capable of adding two and two together. And we see how syphilised Europe supports the Nazi regimes and pretends not to notice the deaths of Russians in Donbass. This means only one thing: the real, not declared, ideology of the European Union is Nazism again. “I don’t feel sorry for inferior Russian barbarians”.

    But we will no longer allow concentration camps to be built for our elderly, women and children. That’s enough.

    The hypocrisy of the European Nazis has already thoroughly made us sick and tired. If you once again show your learning disabilities on the example of past defeats, then the Emperor can after all arrange an Exterminatus.

    Be afraid of Russian fatigue…


    https://www.stalkerzone.org/be-afraid-of-russian-fatigue/

    I would add hat the ideology of Europe never stopped being nazism, other than that the article is spot on...

    NATO = NATzO

    Judge them by how they act and not what they claim. In fact, NATzO hater slime does not even hide its true beliefs when
    it comes to Russia. Shelling of Donbass civilians is not even a news topic in the NATzO fake stream media. I recall all the
    crying about the "shelling of Srajevo" by "ebil Servs". The staged market place attack that involved a bomb placed under
    one of the stalls that was claimed to be a Serb mortar was some sort of international call to arms and saw big moves at
    the UN. Dozens of real incidents of Kiev regime forces slaughtering civilians with mortar and howitzer attacks do not even
    merit any coverage. Both NATzO and the UN are fucking sick jokes.

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    Post  LMFS 04/12/20, 04:45 am

    The world is being turned into the scenario of a major confrontation again, the discussion is not anymore about who is right but about who survives. Western elites have come to the end of the road and have turned up their propaganda in a deafening overdrive while they creep towards war, Russia not ready to take more shit. This time over there is no proxy capable of really threatening Russia while the West waits on the wings. This may be the last genocide of the Nazis of the West, may they rot in hell.
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    Post  George1 04/12/20, 11:51 pm

    US State Dept sanctions Chinese govt officials over ‘coercive influence activities’

    https://www.rt.com/news/508731-state-department-sanctions-china-officials/
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    Post  Kiko 06/12/20, 06:45 pm

    Kurils and Moldova are new potential areas for the new US presidency to strike against Russia. So:
    https://www.rt.com/russia/508828-kuril-islands-japanese-citizenship/
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    Post  kvs 06/12/20, 10:05 pm

    Kiko wrote:Kurils and Moldova are new potential areas for the new US presidency to strike against Russia. So:
    https://www.rt.com/russia/508828-kuril-islands-japanese-citizenship/

    Russia can strike and hard right back. Bidet may think that yanqui-stan is invincible, but that is a peculiar western mental
    disease. Both Napoleon and Hitler thought the same but were actually more sane than the current Washington deciders.
    And Russia was much, much weaker when it faced both of them. All the NATzO fanbois are going to be terminally shocked
    from any military confrontation between NATzO and Russia.

    I have seen posts on this board claiming that America will just ratchet up its pressure and win. That is exactly the sort
    of imbecilic "thinking" that is exhibited by NATzO leaders. Pure wishful thinking and infantile projection.

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