Cold War II_(US-West vs Russia/China tensions)

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''When Russia Plays by the West's Rules, It Loses''

http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150827/1026262657/russia-europe-us-geopolitics-imperialism.html

In a recent op-ed for Czech online newspaper Nova Republika, Slovak-Ukrainian politician, writer and political analyst Sergei Chelemendik suggested that it's time for Russia to stop playing the game of geopolitics according to the rules established by the West...
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PapaDragon wrote:
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''When Russia Plays by the West's Rules, It Loses''

http://sputniknews.com/analysis/20150827/1026262657/russia-europe-us-geopolitics-imperialism.html

In a recent op-ed for Czech online newspaper Nova Republika, Slovak-Ukrainian politician, writer and political analyst Sergei Chelemendik suggested that it's time for Russia to stop playing the game of geopolitics according to the rules established by the West...
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Also, Czech president is quite pro Russian!

Vladimir Alexeyevich Braginski Xie wrote:Russia can win Cold War

We have entered a new stage of the Cold War with the United States. This can be seen in remarks expressed by leading American politicians, political scientists and numerous articles. Russian officials still prefer to use more abstract expressions and definitions. The Russian cult of hunger for justice still tries to prove something in the debate about what is happening in Ukraine. Obviously, the new cold war has started again because of Russia’s belief in the power of a simple handshake. If leaders shake hands, it means that we do not have “black thoughts,” nor do we prepare any treacherous attacks on opposite number. This is what we, the Russians, thought. They were shaking our hand as the hand of an opponent that was defeated in the previous cold war. Smiling their dazzling Hollywood smiles, American leaders were moving their military-political bloc eastwards, closer to Russia’s borders. We were wondering: Russia and America were friends, damn it, we shared common democratic values. Vladimir Putin once suggested Russia should join NATO and EU. In return, Russia could only see American smiles against the background of ideological and military offensive, as the Americans were deploying more and more of their military bases closer and closer to our borders. Now, in hindsight, we understand that there was one goal: Russian energy resources (how primitive, some will say). Yet, energy resources – oil, coal, gas – stand above all for those who thought of themselves as masters of the world after the collapse of the bipolar system. Russia, from their point of view, is just a big fat land of cash that has to be appropriated. If the current Ukrainian authorities think of themselves as masters of the universe, they are sadly mistaken. Their country, and all events that are now happening there, serves as a bargaining chip in the global game for Russian resources. There is shale gas in Ukraine too. In the area of Luhansk and Donetsk, Washington does not bother to think of civilians, because all those people will die anyway, when the extraction of shale gas begins. As for the new stage of the war between Russia and the USA – the war has been going on for all these years. Last century, Russia offered quite a correct approach to the issue of mutually beneficial cooperation: Russia cuts prices on energy carriers, and the West gives Russia technology. America showed Russia the finger. America was attracting Russian scientists, declining technologies. Noteworthy, the USA has only 30 percent of scientists, who received education in the USA. I’ve been asking myself: were we stupid all this time? And the answer is – no, of course not. We were trying to proceed from what was hammered into our heads during the perestroika period. We were proceeding from academician Sakharov’s ideas of the unified world that would be so much better than the world divided into blocs. American politicians were proceeding from different things. Remember the remarks from, Hillary Clinton, who will always be referred to as anti-Monica, who said that Siberia should by rights belong to the world (i.e. to America). That is, Russia was always seen as a victim that should be snatched up and torn apart. Vladimir Putin, as a pragmatist, was doing one very important thing. He was trying, even at the cost of losses, to build the country into the structure of world economy. One can see from Moscow’s very restrained sanctions against the West that he managed to make Europe react sharply to Russia’s dissatisfaction. Russia can impose other sectoral sanctions on the West. Needless to say that the field of energy is the main trump card, but there are lots of other sanctions that Russia can use. This is where we begin to understand the true meaning of president’s actions that were seen as his deviation from short-term interests of Russian business. Today, announcing retaliatory sanctions on certain sectors of economy, Russia is striking a sensitive blow on the political supremacy of the United States in Europe. The USA declared a new Cold War on Russia. Fine. Russia has not started this war yet, in America’s vulnerable field. We still have not used so-called Helsinki groups. Hello, Ms. Lyudmila Alekseeva? If you continue to remain silent on what has been happening in Ferguson, all Russians will think of you as a vulgar hireling of the US State Department! All your excuses that you think only of Russia sound very cheap, because human rights have no national boundaries. We have not used the funding for the activity of Rossotrudnichestvo (Russian Cooperation), which still believes that it is vitally important to hold concerts, distribute booklets about Russia and tell stories about the studies of the Russian language. Mr. Konstantin Kosachev, Russia needs the rest of the world to understand her logic. We need others to understand that the lives of the people of western Donbass are Russian lives, which the Kiev government is exterminating today under the patronage of Western instructors. Russian unions of journalists said nothing about the abuse of freedom of speech in Ferguson, nor did they comment the fact that Obama had done nothing to prevent the execution of James Foley. Colleagues, not that long ago you were so outraged about the detentions of political activists on Moscow’s Triumfalnaya Square. Washington officials, declaring the new cold war on Russia, do not realize that we have been studying their logic for a quarter of a century, and we can work in synch with the State Department now. In Russia, there are many specialists, who understand the logic of the United States. Washington officials can dictate anything to the elites that they bought. Yet, we all know: elite is one thing, and people is a completely different thing. When the views of elite come into sharp confrontation with the views of people, then people overthrow elites. “The king is naked!” – many will shout this in different parts of the world as a result of America’s new Cold War on Russia. Washington does not understand that here lies the end of its power. It always happens like that.

http://unreportedtruth.com/russia-can-win-cold-war/

Sweden Adopts Cold War Military Strategy, Ramps Up Against Russian ‘Threat’

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160318/1036495162/sweden-adopts-cold-war-military-strategy.html#ixzz43GWzsCI1

George1 wrote:Sweden Adopts Cold War Military Strategy, Ramps Up Against Russian ‘Threat’

Read more: http://sputniknews.com/military/20160318/1036495162/sweden-adopts-cold-war-military-strategy.html#ixzz43GWzsCI1

Russia needs to adopt a NATO quarantine strategy. This includes winding down all economic links with the EU. In particular,
fossil fuel exports. Let the EU and its collection of retard deciders eat US LNG cake and choke on it. Imports from NATO are
a security threat to Russia since NATO can at any time cut them off. If at some stage the EU reduces the sanctions on Russia,
Russia must impose new sanctions to maintain the atrophy of imports from the EU.

We all know the US is behind this, how can Russia deal with this?

https://southfront.org/intermarium-a-hare-brained-scheme-whose-time-has-come/

Stand back and laugh. These nations all dislike each other from one point or another. They cannot stand each other, what makes you think they can work together? Add to that, seems they have their own little ambitions too, like Ukraine wanting dominance.

These countries will end up being just some piss poor block of has beens living a dream but barely cooperating.

sepheronx wrote:Stand back and laugh. These nations all dislike each other from one point or another. They cannot stand each other, what makes you think they can work together? Add to that, seems they have their own little ambitions too, like Ukraine wanting dominance.

These countries will end up being just some piss poor block of has beens living a dream but barely cooperating.

Also, I don't think they have economies that can handle all their dreams, am I right in saying that they depend, somewhat to a lot on the Russian economy and if Russia wanted they can somewhat collapse their economies?

par far wrote:

sepheronx wrote:Stand back and laugh. These nations all dislike each other from one point or another. They cannot stand each other, what makes you think they can work together? Add to that, seems they have their own little ambitions too, like Ukraine wanting dominance.

These countries will end up being just some piss poor block of has beens living a dream but barely cooperating.

Also, I don't think they have economies that can handle all their dreams, am I right in saying that they depend, somewhat to a lot on the Russian economy and if Russia wanted they can somewhat collapse their economies?

Well, Ukraine relied majority of its exports to Russia as its non-resource based goods are not wanted/demanded outside besides some middle eastern countries, and other industries like metallurgy is going to get snuffed out by competition.

Poland is less dependent but the baltic nations are quite dependent on sales to Russia for end goods and transportation. Now that transportation has dried up and competition from China's investors that invested in new manufacturing in Russia (as well as European countries), the baltics are losing out big time. Biggest sales was agriculture as well, now that is gone for them.

Essentially, they are living off of debt and borrowed money + Rent. But the biggest restraint is what I mentioned and even hinted in the article about their dreams on who will rule who in the little group.

I love this guy Cohen. I've been listening/watching him since Maidan coup.

Unlike America's policy of regime change, which happened in Afghanistan, Iraq, Libya, Ukraine, Syria, Russia's policy is friendship. After the Maidan coup, Poroshenko would have been overthrown by the people in a revolution. If was Putin who legitimized the coup government and prevented Ukrainian people from toppling Poroshenko. As a result, thousands of Ukrainians and Russians continue to die, the war continues on.

Americans are atheists. They use Sun Tzu's strategy of deception to lie to Russians and win. Russians are Christians. Cannot lie. So Russians get tricked by Americans over and over again and lose. First USSR, then NATO on border, then Yugoslavia, then Iraq, then Libya, then Ukraine, then Syria.

Putin should take a page from the Iranians. Smile on face. Stick in hand. That is the best foreign policy.

USSR - dissolve then NATO will dissolve. Lied. USSR dissolved. NATO expanded to border.

Iraq - chemical weapons. Lied.

Libya - no fly zone. Lied. Turned into bombing zone

Ukraine - ceasefire. Lied. Poroshenko continues bombing civilians in Donbas.

Syria - ceasefire with moderate rebels. Lied. Moderate rebels are embedded in Qaeda.

It's ridiculous how many times Russians got played by Americans. Even kindergarten children would be ashamed. Pardon my frankness. Yet, Putin still says Americans are friends when in reality Americans are enemies who are scheming to kill Putin and break up Russia.

GarryB wrote:Russia certainly got played over Libya and Gaddafi paid with his life and the Libyan people are now enjoying the democracy and peace the west has brought to them...

Regarding your other comments... so you think Russia should act like the US?

WTF for?

So it can "win"?

If that is what it takes to win then I am glad they do not win... for them to win is to recreate another US... we don't need a new US... we need a real alternative to the US... which is what I hope Russia and many other countries like China and India become.

If they dont win then the US wins, US needs to be demolished and replaced by a new power.

When will the US economy implode?? Researchers/Forecasters always say its economy is unsustainable, will crash etc etc but when will this finally happen?? is it possible in our lifetime? I can't want to see the USA burn to the ground.

Project Canada wrote:When will the US economy implode?? Researchers/Forecasters always say its economy is unsustainable, will crash etc etc but when will this finally happen?? is it possible in our lifetime? I can't want to see the USA burn to the ground.

They have since a long time they say US economy will go down, and i personally think that all these event that we are seeing, the build-up in eastern Europe, the missile shield, tensions with China are as a consenguence of the dollar crises.

Anyway i didn't get, do u like u see US burn to the ground or not?

DerWolf wrote:

Project Canada wrote:When will the US economy implode?? Researchers/Forecasters always say its economy is unsustainable, will crash etc etc but when will this finally happen?? is it possible in our lifetime? I can't want to see the USA burn to the ground.

They have since a long time they say US economy will go down, and i personally think that all these event that we are seeing, the build-up in eastern Europe, the missile shield, tensions with China are as a consenguence of the dollar crises.

Anyway i didn't get, do u like u see US burn to the ground or not?

to be honest, all I wanted is a balance of power between USA and Russia, just like in the cold war, but now things are getting out of balance especially with NATO taking advantage of a not so powerful Russia. if this continues then yes, unfortunately, the USA should collapse and a world power/powers should take over the leading role in the world. as a bonus I would like to see the decline and total demise of radical islamism as well.

Project Canada wrote:I can't want to see the USA burn to the ground.

You can't be serious
Is this a typo? did you mean to say "wait" here?

The USA has the money, has the international media on its side and USA own the EU-puppetstates, hence why the USA is stronger currently.

Ukrainian Conflict Partly Responsible for US Anti-Russian Spy Bill

US-Russian tensions over the Ukraine crisis contributed to efforts in Congress to resurrect a program initially designed to catch Soviet spies, former CIA and US National Intelligence Council officer Paul Pillar told Sputnik.

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — On Wednesday, BuzzFeed News, citing intelligence sources, reported that the US Senate Intelligence Committee proposed a bill to re-establish a Cold War-era interagency committee to counter Russian espionage activities on US soil.

In this case, Russia must retaliate 10x more severely so no American dog (spies) is left alive in Russia

Project Canada wrote:

Ukrainian Conflict Partly Responsible for US Anti-Russian Spy Bill

US-Russian tensions over the Ukraine crisis contributed to efforts in Congress to resurrect a program initially designed to catch Soviet spies, former CIA and US National Intelligence Council officer Paul Pillar told Sputnik.

WASHINGTON (Sputnik) — On Wednesday, BuzzFeed News, citing intelligence sources, reported that the US Senate Intelligence Committee proposed a bill to re-establish a Cold War-era interagency committee to counter Russian espionage activities on US soil.

In this case, Russia must retaliate 10x more severely so no American dog (spies) is left alive in Russia  

Yes, Russia better capitalize on this neo-McCarthy hysteria. It is a joke really as there are no Russian spies in the US trying to engineer
regime change. However, the US spends at least $100 million per year trying to foist regime change on Russia. All of the US spies in Russia
need to be exposed, prosecuted and either incarcerated or shipped off to NATO. Spies are not just some James Bond myth, they include
all the 5th column liberast dirtbags who are eager to sell out their country to suck up to their utopian ideals (instead of just packing their
bags and moving to their perceived paradises). There are still way too many US spy outfits called "NGOs" that need to be shut down in
Russia.

Russia must adopt mirror legislation to that the US is imposing. It will at least have real utility in Russia. In the US it is nothing more than
a witch hunt.

NATO Assured USSR of No Plans to Expand Eastward in Early 1990s - Ex-Soviet FM

The Soviet Union received in the early 1990s assurance from NATO that the alliance would not expand toward the USSR border, the last Soviet foreign minister, Boris Pankin, said.

STOCKHOLM (Sputnik) — The Warsaw Pact on collective defense between the USSR and seven satellite states in Eastern and Central Europe was terminated in 1991, nine months before the collapse of the Soviet Union itself. The Council for Mutual Economic Assistance that also included the USSR and its Eastern and Central European allies, as well as some other communist states, ceased to exist also in 1991. The withdrawal of Soviet forces from Easter Europe was expected to be completed within two years by late 1990.

"The thing is that when all these steps were taken while [Mikhail] Gorbachev was in power — the dissolution of the Warsaw Pact, and the dissolution of the Council for Mutual Economic Assistance, and the withdrawal of troops [from Eastern Europe in the late 1980s] — all of it was perceived positively, that's how naive people were… And they assured that reciprocal steps were and would be taken. As for NATO, such promises were given to me as well," Pankin said in an interview to RIA Novosti.

Pankin, who served as the USSR ambassador to Czechoslovakia in 1990-1991, said then German Foreign Minister Hans-Dietrich Genscher admitted to him once they felt "a great pressure from Eastern European new regimes," that were members of neither the European Union nor NATO at the time. Genscher said there was great pressure, with Eastern European countries willing to join Western alliances, while Western states did not want them to join the blocs at the moment.

According to Pankin, Genscher was one of the first of Western officials who shared with him thoughts on transforming NATO from a purely military bloc into a military-political alliance.

Moscow currently maintains that NATO’s eastward expansion undermines the European security architecture and threatens Russian national security.

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160819/1044422573/nato-assured-ussr-no-plans-expand-eastward.html

"Today we live in a time of dramatic global conflict. The two warring camps are clearly shaped. One camp is headed by the United States and the other one by Russia. So, where are the roots of the conflict and what are they fighting for? Many people are confused because it is not entirely clear. To understand the essence of the events, we need to know that, as always in history, there is a clash of ideas before the battlefield. There is an incompatibility of vision on what the order in the world and the future of humanity should be. This applies to the events of today.

Let’s look at some widely circulated explanations before we find the answer. According to some, the conflict is between the presidents of the US and Russia. However, this is not serious. Others argue that we are witnessing a war between Christianity and radical Islam. Or, that it is a battle of the progressive forces against terrorism. These statements do not correspond to the truth. Essentially, today’s conflict is neither religious nor national. Religious, national and ethnic differences between people are only a means to prevail over the opponents. The logo for the war against terrorism is also a cover for achieving certain goals. More truth lies in the assertion that there is a clash between the global policies of the US and Russia, but this response also slides across the surface. The policies of these two countries are simply an expression of the ideas and interests of different forces. Another opinion is that in today’s world there is a huge gap between the rich and the poor. The battle is between the oligarchs and the robbed, between the enslaved and the tyrants. There is some truth in this, but we have to clarify. It is about the struggle of ordinary people against the power of the big-bank-capital and powerful transnational corporations. It is true, but it does not completely reach the essence of things. The truth is that today the world is burning in an epic, titanic conflict. Two diametrically opposed worlds grappled in a fierce battle of life and death; the battle for the minds of the man of the future. It is the most important battle in which all methods and means are allowed. How we live and how our descendants’ generations will live after us depends on the outcome of this grand battle. But what are these worlds??

The contours of the first world are already outlined clearly. This will be a world in which the world’s population will be placed under full control: people will be monitored, wiretapped and spied on in various ways. All national, cultural, racial and other differences between them will be erased. Everything human will be irretrievably broken: 99% of people on the planet will be reduced to their animal functions. This gray mass will serve a corporate planetary ‘elite’, limited in size, out of touch with reality, that will rule forever. George Orwell in ‘1984’ has described precisely this world order: “A world of fear, treachery and torment, a world in which you trample others and they trample you, a world that in the process of improving will be not less but more ruthless. The progress in our world will be progress towards more pain. The past civilizations claimed to be based on love and justice. Ours is based on hatred. In our world there will be no other emotions except fear, rage, triumph and self-abasement. We will destroy all the rest, everything. We are already destroying the mentality from before the revolution. We broke the bonds between parents and children, between a man and another man, between man and woman. No one dares to trust a husband, a child or a friend. In the future, there will be no wives and friends. Children will be taken away from their mothers at birth like the egg is taken from the chicken.” And again: “There will be no love, except the Big Brother love. There will be no laughter, except for triumphant exultation over the vanquished foe. There will be no art, no literature, no science. When we become omnipotent we will no longer have a need for science. There will be no distinction between beauty and ugliness. There will be no curiosity, no enjoyment of life. All competing pleasures will be destroyed. But always – do not forget this, Winston – always there will be the intoxication of power, which will gradually grow and develop. Always, at any time, the excitement of victory will dominate the sensation of trampling the hapless foe. If you want to imagine the future, imagine a boot, smashing a human face – forever.” But Orwell was wrong about one thing: the described world will not be built on socialism as he had predicted. This world will be built on capitalism because capitalism enshrines selfishness and greed and tears apart relationships between people. Does it look terrifying?? You think that all this cannot happen? You are mistaken. Most terrible things happen precisely when no one believes they will happen; when no one assumes that people are able to fall below the level of the animals; when the good people do nothing. Now, think about this. When was the last time you spoke to your parents? Do you know the neighbor living on your floor? How long ago did you read a book? Have you recently done something good without expecting anything in return? Can you not see that today we are all like sleepwalkers, clinging for survival? Can you not see that the connections between people have largely been broken, even marriage has turned into a mutually beneficial deal? Do you still think that everything described cannot happen?? Not only is it possible; this world is materializing before our eyes. And there is no magic in achieving it as powerful corporate interests are doing everything possible to make it a reality.

The second world is the complete opposite of the first. The people in this world are different. Cultural, national, religious, racial and other differences, however, will not prevent people across the planet to live in peace and understanding with each other. People will help each other and be empathetic to others’ pain; respecting each other. The natural human bonds between parents and children, between spouses and friends will be honored. People will feel love for the clan and the country, for his family and everyone else. Greed, selfishness and arrogance will not be tolerated. This will be a world in which the words ‘honor and dignity’ will have meaning. The managers of this society will not seek personal gain but will work for the good of all people. All important public issues will be resolved through direct democracy and respect for the views of every member of society. In this world, there will be relatively poor and relatively rich, but no one will die from hunger or cold, no one will be exploited. There will be equal opportunities for all, everyone will have access to free education and health, and the natural resources of the planet will be used wisely and with consideration for the future generations. This will be a world that will develop art and a taste for the beautiful and the good. There will be a difference between beauty and ugliness, between talent and banality. This world will develop knowledge and science to make people’s lives better and not to devise methods of destruction and keeping fellows under control. This will be a world of high technology and high morale, a world in which the people will live like brothers and wars will be left in the past. This world can become a reality. Its creation is not as impossible as people make it out. But in order to have this world, we must first ask for it. We must ask to live in this world and we should be ready to fight for it.

These two worlds now fight for a place under the sun. If you look around more carefully, you will see elements of both. Sometimes the dividing line is very thin as any group in a cafe may belong to a different world. However, this cannot continue forever. Whether we want it or not, only one world order will remain. There cannot be and will not be a compromise. This is where the conflict of our time lies. It is still not yet clear who will be the winner, but it is clear that in this battle, no man shall remain unaffected. Today, everyone must make a choice. Each of one of us must choose which of the two worlds to support and for what future to fight. I made my choice. It is time for you to choose yours".


https://southfront.org/the-battle-between-two-worlds/

The Secret U.S. Army Study That Targets Moscow


A quarter century after the Cold War, the Pentagon is worried about Russia’s military prowess again.