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    Post  Hole on Wed Jan 29, 2020 4:35 pm

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    Post  owais.usmani on Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:01 am

    https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2019/04/17/799346-general-electric-novateka

    General Electric prevents Zvezda from ordering screws for gas carriers in Russia

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Sun Feb 09, 2020 12:39 am

    owais.usmani wrote:https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2019/04/17/799346-general-electric-novateka

    General Electric prevents Zvezda from ordering screws for gas carriers in Russia


    they should put sanction on this joint venture, declare it illegal and offer the contract to someone else.  The artic gas carriers are for russia, right? Then GE can also go to hell


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    Post  GarryB on Sun Feb 09, 2020 10:31 am

    How is GE getting a say in this?

    Tell them to go fuck themselves.

    Don't enter into any business arrangements with the US, and only buy from Russian companies... if what they make is not up to scratch then pay extra and get an improved model made that does meet your needs.
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    Post  George1 on Tue Mar 17, 2020 6:03 pm

    Cargo and passenger ferry for Kamchatka laid in Kerch

    The Federal Agency for Sea and River Transport of the Russian Federation (Rosmorrechflot) reported that on March 16, 2020, a solemn ceremony was held in Kerch for laying a passenger-and-freight vessel (ferry) of CNF22 project at B.E. Shipbuilding Plant JSC. Butomas ”(former LLC“ Zaliv Shipbuilding Plant ”).

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    Post  PapaDragon on Sat Apr 18, 2020 12:24 am


    Contract for construction of 4 Valdai hydrofoil passenger vessel was signed

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    Sredne-Nevsky Shipyard signed a contract for construction of 2 Project А45-90.2 passengers ships

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Thu Apr 23, 2020 4:01 pm

    https://sudostroenie.info/mobver/novosti/30020.html


    The Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia made a proposal to oblige budget customers of ships and marine equipment operating under 44-FZ to build orders only in Russia. The need for such vessels to comply with Resolution 719 (defines the criteria for recognizing products manufactured in the Russian Federation) should be recorded in the tender documentation, Kommersant writes April 23 with reference to the draft document. Moreover, the new requirements do not apply to state-owned companies.

    The Ministry of Industry and Trade, Rosmorrechflot and FSUE Rosmorport did not respond to requests from the publication. The newspaper’s interlocutors note that one of the reasons for introducing new requirements could be the Rosmorport competition for the construction of an icebreaker of project 21900M2.

    Recall that the tender for the construction of a diesel-electric icebreaker with a capacity of 18 MW for the Far Eastern basin FSUE "Rosmorport" announced in August 2019. The only application was filed by the Pella plant, the contract with which was concluded in September of the same year. Later it became known that for the construction of the icebreaker it is planned to use the German shipyard "Pella" - Pella Sietas.

    Totally correct decision.

    I thought it was absolutely stupid for Pella to build those icebreakers abroad. Possibly somebody in the government felt played by Pella management. Maybe even the fees for late delivery of 22800 small missile ships are just a way to "punish" Pella for tricking the government and building the icebreakers in Germany..
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    Post  PapaDragon on Thu Apr 23, 2020 8:49 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:...Possibly somebody in the government felt played by Pella management. Maybe even the fees for late delivery of 22800 small missile ships are just a way to "punish" Pella for tricking the government and building the icebreakers in Germany..

    You think it would make sense to punish the only Russian shipyard that gets anything done properly in surface vessel sector?

    How about they punish those morons in Yantar first, they never delivered a single ship on time and on budget in their entire post Soviet history?

    Two river icebreakers don't mean shit and Pella's shipyard in Petersburg is already full

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    Post  GarryB on Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:09 am

    They should have outsourced jobs to Russian shipyards instead of German ones that could potentially have been used to punish Russia the way the French did with the Mistral ships...
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    Post  kvs on Fri Apr 24, 2020 7:19 am

    GarryB wrote:They should have outsourced jobs to Russian shipyards instead of German ones that could potentially have been used to punish Russia the way the French did with the Mistral ships...

    Pella did indeed play games with Russian state money and exposed Russia to extreme risk of NATzO coercion.   We see how private
    entities always drift to their own agenda.   Pella could care less about Russia's security.   It cares about the money.   Thus it is
    also prone to being compromised by NATzO intelligence services that can buy its executives.  

    Russia cannot afford to give freedom to corporate oligarch-wannabes.   They all need to be on a tight leash.   If they want
    Russian taxpayer money, then conform to Russian interests.  If your faith in Mammon is so great, then GTFO and move to
    the west and do your profiteering there.  And good luck.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic on Fri Apr 24, 2020 1:35 pm

    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:They should have outsourced jobs to Russian shipyards instead of German ones that could potentially have been used to punish Russia the way the French did with the Mistral ships...

    Pella did indeed play games with Russian state money and exposed Russia to extreme risk of NATzO coercion.   We see how private
    entities always drift to their own agenda.   Pella could care less about Russia's security.   It cares about the money.   Thus it is
    also prone to being compromised by NATzO intelligence services that can buy its executives.  

    Russia cannot afford to give freedom to corporate oligarch-wannabes.   They all need to be on a tight leash.   If they want
    Russian taxpayer money, then conform to Russian interests.  If your faith in Mammon is so great, then GTFO and move to
    the west and do your profiteering there.  And good luck.


    Probably it was clear that Pella could not build them in their existing facilities in Russia since the original 21900 are ships with a displacement around 15000 tons and the latest mod should be even bigger. Possibly among Russian shipyards the only with capabilities and experience were only vyborg, baltic and admiralty shipyard (all in or near saint Petersburg), and all of them full of orders, so unable to build it for the desired deadline. Maybe that was the reason for them not participating to the tender.

    Still if nobody had participated to the tender the goverment would have at least understood and would have had the possibility to move the deadlines or changing the priorities for other previous orders.

    By the way, is Pella still controlling the More shipyard in Feodosia (Crimea) or has the rent expired? I never understood why did they move the partially built ships (22800 missile ships) being built in Feodosia to the main Pella site near saint Petersburg to be completed...
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    Post  PapaDragon on Fri Apr 24, 2020 11:53 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:...By the way, is Pella still controlling the More shipyard in Feodosia (Crimea) or has the rent expired? I never understood why did they move the partially built ships (22800 missile ships) being built in Feodosia to the main Pella site near saint Petersburg to be completed...

    Because Feodosia doesn't have the competence to complete those ships that's why they were placed under management of Pella which is by far the most competent and efficient shipyard in Russia

    Pella was tasked with teaching them how to build ships again

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    Post  Tingsay on Wed Apr 29, 2020 8:18 am

    Batoport for the largest dry dock in Russia delivered to the ZVEZDA shipyard

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    In the city of Bolshoi Kamen, a transport operation was successfully completed to deliver unique equipment to the Zvezda shipyard for the largest dry dock in Russia being built at the shipbuilding complex.

    Bathoport (waterproof shutter) - a floating structure 114 meters long and 12 meters high - was delivered by sea on the deck of a 180-meter semi-submersible transport vessel. The operation of launching and mooring the boat port to the outfitting embankment of SSK Zvezda took 12 hours.

    The installation of the batoport is scheduled for July 2020. The object will separate the dock chamber, the bottom of which is located below the water level, from the water area. The principle of operation of the cargo port is as follows: after completion of the assembly of the vessel, the dry dock is filled with sea water - when the water level in the dock is equal to the level of the water area, the cargo port is diverted, opening the entrance. After that, the vessel is withdrawn from the dock.

    During operation, the batoport will stand on the threshold of the dock on either side. This shape reduces the weight of the steel structures of the hull and allows the batoport to be on the threshold in a drained dock with empty ballast tanks. This makes it possible not to heat the tanks in the winter and to repair the batoport without putting it out of operation. In addition, the bath port has increased unsinkability.

    Another feature is the upper deck of the butt port. It is equipped with a roadway.

    The body of the butt port, made of shipbuilding high-strength steel, has a continuous waterproof lining and is divided by decks and bulkheads into air, ballast and open compartments. The bath port includes a diesel generator, drainage systems, ballast systems, ventilation, dry dock filling valves, local fire extinguishing system and fire alarm. Ballast tanks and bathhouse facilities are equipped with a heating system filled with non-freezing coolant. The batoport is controlled from the central console and local posts.

    Dry dock is a key element of the second stage of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex, the country's largest hydraulic structure with dimensions of 485 × 114 × 14 meters. A dry dock will allow the shipyard to build most types of existing and prospective vessels with virtually no limit to the tonnage and launch weight of the hulls.

    At the moment, work on the construction of a dry-foundation pit has been fully completed; concreting of the main structures — walls, bottom, main pumping station — is nearing completion. Pumping and lifting equipment was delivered, including a Goliath gantry crane with a lifting capacity of 1,200 tons.
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    Post  owais.usmani on Tue May 12, 2020 10:04 pm

    https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4022544.html

    The first Russian Aframax type tanker Vladimir Monomakh was launched from the slipway of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex

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    Post  kvs on Thu May 14, 2020 12:24 am

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZkasbhPEXcI

    The new Aframax tanker runs on LNG. This is a big story all on its own. Smarmy NATzO and fellow traveler "countries" are trying
    to snooker Russia in the Arctic with BS "environmentalism". They actually think that Russia is so primitive and backward
    that it can't build ships that use clean propulsion. So while the precious west is still building bunker oil burning ships, Russia
    is building large tankers and other transport ships that use natural gas.

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    Post  owais.usmani on Fri May 15, 2020 12:16 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:https://bmpd.livejournal.com/4022544.html

    The first Russian Aframax type tanker Vladimir Monomakh was launched from the slipway of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex

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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri May 15, 2020 1:06 pm

    Only for this model. All models after are to be made in Russia under some guidance from S.Korea for training as per agreement in 2018.
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    Post  kvs on Fri May 15, 2020 6:09 pm

    miketheterrible wrote:Only for this model. All models after are to be made in Russia under some guidance from S.Korea for training as per agreement in 2018.

    Instead of admitting the impressive turnaround that Russia achieves with all sorts of technological projects, we have the usual BS about
    "it's somebody else doing it". As if Russia can't build ships. For the hubris filled clueless: Russia can buy licensed solutions like the
    rest of the developed world to save time.

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    Post  miketheterrible on Fri May 15, 2020 7:15 pm

    kvs wrote:
    miketheterrible wrote:Only for this model. All models after are to be made in Russia under some guidance from S.Korea for training as per agreement in 2018.

    Instead of admitting the impressive turnaround that Russia achieves with all sorts of technological projects, we have the usual BS about
    "it's somebody else doing it".   As if Russia can't build ships.   For the hubris filled clueless:  Russia can buy licensed solutions like the
    rest of the developed world to save time.


    Once the other ships are out and built in Russia, Owais and douchebags like Rob will ignore it.
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    Post  GarryB on Sat May 16, 2020 6:23 am

    There is no point in getting some of the worlds best ship builders to design and build new large shipyards for you and then not bother to learn how to make ships the way they make them.

    A bit like wanting more powerful rocket motors and buying them from a cold war rival because they make better rockets than you do, and even though they handed over the full designs and actual samples of the rocket engines to you it will take 10 years for you to develop something that is comparable... but it is them that are stupid right?

    Sadly things often only get attention when there is a problem... and any problem is taken as the tip of much bigger much more fundamental problems for which all management should be fired... but of course things get sorted out and once things are functioning normal everyone settles down.
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    Post  kvs on Sat May 16, 2020 6:33 am

    The tone of coverage of Russian industrial and other affairs is inane chicken little the sky is falling fantasy projection. China
    is basically not faulted for ripping off everything it can get its hands on. I am not saying that China is doing the wrong thing.
    Thanks to foreign meddling it was set back by decades if not centuries and has had to run hard to catch up. At some point
    its internal capacity for technological and scientific development must reach critical mass and I believe that this is now in
    progress. But Russia is denigrated for doing the smart thing and building off the shelf products to bootstrap certain production
    lines that never existed before. Building a goddamned super tanker is not like building the S-500 system and is not worth
    all the chicken little hysteria.

    As we saw with the Mistrals, Russia will use the initial batch to develop its own designs for subsequent generations. This is
    to be applauded.



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    Post  Big_Gazza on Sat May 16, 2020 8:53 am

    kvs wrote:As we saw with the Mistrals, Russia will use the initial batch to develop its own designs for subsequent generations.   This is
    to be applauded.


    These nay-saying fuckwits will learn in the fullness of time.  Russia WILL be wealthy, developed, powerful, politically stable & independent, financially unassailable, technologically advanced, industrially self-sufficient, militarily unconquerable, and an undeniable example to other nations on how they can take control of their own affairs without kow-towing to the corrupt bankster cartels and their indentured minions in the bought-and-paid-for Western polity.

    These yabbering clowns can prattle all they like, but they can't change reality, and the trend is clear that more and more of the world is slipping through their grasping neo-liberal talons. Fuck them, and just keep moving forwards because that is what they really fear.
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