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    Post  George1 Thu Oct 31, 2019 11:17 pm

    Published Strategy for the development of the shipbuilding industry in Russia until 2035

    According to the newspaper Kommersant, in an article by Anastasia Vedeneva “A strategy has been added to shipbuilding. Plans for the development of the industry until 2035 are full of unclear promises”, despite the chronic problems of Russian shipbuilding, the Ministry of Industry and Trade of the Russian Federation in the published Strategy for the Development of the Shipbuilding Industry until 2035 [ text] expects, even in the worst-case scenario, to build 357 vessels in 18 years, achieving a 3.9-fold increase in civilian vessel production. If the target scenario is realized, almost twice as much will be built. However, this requires state support, the size of which is not estimated in the strategy. Experts find it difficult to comment meaningfully on the document, noting its weak elaboration and obvious factual errors.

    Russia needs a large-scale upgrade of civilian vessels, follows from the development strategy of the shipbuilding industry until 2035. The needs of the domestic market are estimated at 250 sea transport vessels, more than 1.5 thousand river-sea transport vessels, 1.6 thousand fishing vessels, more than 250 units of marine equipment of auxiliary and technical fleets, 90 research vessels, 24 icebreakers , as well as about 150 vessels and marine equipment for the development of offshore fields. However, it is stated in the document, the financial capabilities of customers allow updating less than half of the fleet.

    The strategy involves three options for the development of the industry, which differ in the rate of economic growth and the volume of state support.

    In the framework of the innovative (base) scenario, 463 vessels will be built by 2035, and the value of the order portfolio will approach 2.3 trillion rubles. In an optimistic scenario, the number of vessels released will amount to 651 units. In a conservative scenario, 357 vessels will be built, which, nevertheless, will increase the output in the industry by 3.9 times compared to 2018 (see infographic).

    “In view of the industry’s specific features, including the high capital intensity of building ships, the long payback period of invested funds, its activity and further development are impossible without the active participation of the state,” the document says. However, the strategy does not have any estimates of the possible or expected amount of state support, as well as possible mechanisms for its provision. It is also not said how the volume of state support and order should be distributed between the shipyards included in the United Shipbuilding Corporation, and plants outside its perimeter.

    By 2035, the main production assets of the industry should be loaded by 80%, it is planned to double labor productivity and increase the share of domestic components in the cost of final civilian products to 75%, said the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov. These expectations are generally supported by the results of previous years: in 2018, the volume of production in the industry increased 1.7 times compared to 2012 and amounted to more than 620 billion rubles. with an increase in labor productivity in monetary terms by 1.4 times. At the same time, the specifics of the strategy are few, and the numbers are vulnerable to criticism.

    Thus, Mikhail Grigoriev, the head of the Gekon consulting center, finds it difficult to comment on the published document, since it does not contain a substantiating part or a list of projects for which construction is planned, there are no sizes and ice classes of ships. “It is not clear what the icebreakers mean and why gas carriers in all three scenarios appear on the list after the launch of the Arctic LNG-2 project,” the expert notes. The strategy envisages the construction of 14 icebreakers in the baseline scenario, and 21. in the target scenario. As for gas carriers, they were not built in any scenario until 2025, and in the conservative - not until 2035.

    The head of Infoline Analytics, Mikhail Burmistrov, believes that the construction of crab fishing vessels was not taken into account in the conservative strategy scenario (105 units, of which 27 serving) for fishing vessels in the conservative strategy scenario. The plans for the passenger fleet are realistic (from four to eight vessels, depending on the forecast), and for the river-sea transport vessels, on the contrary, the planned figures for 2019–2020 are even slightly underestimated (23–28 ships), the expert adds. “In general, the lengthy development of the strategy did not benefit the targets: quantitative plans for the delivery of ships clearly require adjustments to take into account the realities of 2019,” he concludes.

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    Post  Austin Fri Nov 01, 2019 7:10 am

    We dont know if this news is fake or real , might be real too. There is no way any poster posting new here can verify about authenticity news posted

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    Post  George1 Sun Dec 01, 2019 4:21 pm

    Hamburg shipyard Pella Sietas GmbH, owned by Pella Leningrad Shipyard OJSC, announced on November 29, 2019 that it had received a contract for the construction of one icebreaker of the Icebreaker7 class and that this order is “the largest in the company's history”.

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sun Dec 01, 2019 10:18 pm

    George1 wrote:   Hamburg shipyard Pella Sietas GmbH, owned by Pella Leningrad Shipyard OJSC, announced on November 29, 2019 that it had received a contract for the construction of one icebreaker of the Icebreaker7 class and that this order is “the largest in the company's history”.

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    I like the compact Pella, but producing this icebreaker in Germany is not ideal...

    Were not there available shipyards of the required size in russia?

    Vyborg shipyard? Yantar?
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 02, 2019 12:24 am


    Vyborg is stuffed with orders and Yantar takes decades to build anything

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:33 am

    PapaDragon wrote:
    Vyborg is stuffed with orders and Yantar takes decades to build anything

    The Taiwar frigates for India were built in 3 years each... quite reasonable I would say..
    The issues of the ivan gren were due also to ever changing requirements and no clear idea on how to use those ships...
    Probably there was a part of mistake by yantar too, but I am not sure it was the main factor.

    And for the frigates for Russia... not having the engines made the delivery impossible.

    Those icebreaker should be about 120 m long and considerably wider than a warship of the same length.

    They are too big for Pella main shipyard in Otradnoye (even after modernisation/expansion the max ship lenght that they can build there is 110m), that is full with orders anyway; however it could have been nice if they had bought/ invested in a different russian shipyard instead of a German one... especially for orders coming from the Russian state...



    I was thinking about other Russian shipyards with acceptable size (except of course the main 3 in saint Petersburg and Sevmash, since they are already working at full capacity....)

    There is probably Nevsky shipyard in Schlisselburg (40 km away from saint Petersburg) and possibly a couple in Nizhny Novgorod (krasnoe sormovo and Oka shipyard), if the internal water channels and rivers allow ships of this size to be transported to the sea after production.

    Anyway, there is a nice shipyard in the south of the Ukraine (Kherson shipyard) (that incidentally is the only shipyard there capable of building fairly large ships (up to 40000tons) left in a decent state. Maybe, in case of reintegration of Novorossia, Pella could buy or take control of it for the construction of larger ships....
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 02, 2019 10:35 pm


    You are forgetting political influence

    This ship order is another reason for Germans not to go off script

    It may look small but combined with other stuff it adds up
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    Post  GarryB Tue Dec 03, 2019 7:20 am

    Well you could say the same about using Ukrainian aircraft and engines in your aircraft and helicopters and ships... but ultimately the US flashed 5 billion in front of them and they turned on Russia like a bastard.

    There is a political aspect, but I would not give it too much weight.... western politicians are happy to say yes to brussels and washington whether it suits their own people or not... they still call it democracy though...
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    Post  PapaDragon Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:07 pm


    Cranes for new dry dock in Zveda have been delivered:
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    Hydrofoil passenger vessel Meteor 120P laid down in Nizhegorodkaya oblast

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Mon Dec 23, 2019 9:24 pm

    Btw, did Rosatom or Rosneft announce where they want to build the new mega shipyard (in addition to Zvezda in the far east)?

    Murmansk area? Or in the western sector between saint Petersburg and ust luga? Or in Novorossisk in the south?
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    Post  George1 Thu Jan 23, 2020 9:41 pm

    Zvezda shipyard plans to deliver first Aframax class tanker by Sep - Oct 2020


    MOSCOW, January 23. /TASS/. The Zvezda shipyard plans to launch their first Aframax type tanker in May and deliver the ship in September - October, chief executive of the shipyard Sergei Tseluiko told TASS in an interview.

    "According to the contract, we should float out the first tanker in May and deliver it in September - October. However, we will attempt to complete work in advance. Tankers of such dimensions were not made even in the Soviet Union. Its displacement is 114,000 tonnes, length - 258 meters, and width - 46 meters," the top manager said.

    The shipyard is cooperating with foreign shipyards for exchange of technologies and experience, Tseluiko added. "Cooperation has different forms, from establishing joint ventures to staff training contracts," he noted.

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    Post  Hole Wed Jan 29, 2020 12:34 pm

    Some pics of the Zvezda yard.

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    Post  owais.usmani Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:01 pm

    https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2019/04/17/799346-general-electric-novateka

    General Electric prevents Zvezda from ordering screws for gas carriers in Russia

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Sat Feb 08, 2020 8:39 pm

    owais.usmani wrote:https://www.vedomosti.ru/business/articles/2019/04/17/799346-general-electric-novateka

    General Electric prevents Zvezda from ordering screws for gas carriers in Russia


    they should put sanction on this joint venture, declare it illegal and offer the contract to someone else.  The artic gas carriers are for russia, right? Then GE can also go to hell


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    Post  GarryB Sun Feb 09, 2020 6:31 am

    How is GE getting a say in this?

    Tell them to go fuck themselves.

    Don't enter into any business arrangements with the US, and only buy from Russian companies... if what they make is not up to scratch then pay extra and get an improved model made that does meet your needs.
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    Post  George1 Tue Mar 17, 2020 2:03 pm

    Cargo and passenger ferry for Kamchatka laid in Kerch

    The Federal Agency for Sea and River Transport of the Russian Federation (Rosmorrechflot) reported that on March 16, 2020, a solemn ceremony was held in Kerch for laying a passenger-and-freight vessel (ferry) of CNF22 project at B.E. Shipbuilding Plant JSC. Butomas ”(former LLC“ Zaliv Shipbuilding Plant ”).

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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 17, 2020 9:24 pm


    Contract for construction of 4 Valdai hydrofoil passenger vessel was signed

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    Sredne-Nevsky Shipyard signed a contract for construction of 2 Project А45-90.2 passengers ships

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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Thu Apr 23, 2020 1:01 pm

    https://sudostroenie.info/mobver/novosti/30020.html


    The Ministry of Industry and Trade of Russia made a proposal to oblige budget customers of ships and marine equipment operating under 44-FZ to build orders only in Russia. The need for such vessels to comply with Resolution 719 (defines the criteria for recognizing products manufactured in the Russian Federation) should be recorded in the tender documentation, Kommersant writes April 23 with reference to the draft document. Moreover, the new requirements do not apply to state-owned companies.

    The Ministry of Industry and Trade, Rosmorrechflot and FSUE Rosmorport did not respond to requests from the publication. The newspaper’s interlocutors note that one of the reasons for introducing new requirements could be the Rosmorport competition for the construction of an icebreaker of project 21900M2.

    Recall that the tender for the construction of a diesel-electric icebreaker with a capacity of 18 MW for the Far Eastern basin FSUE "Rosmorport" announced in August 2019. The only application was filed by the Pella plant, the contract with which was concluded in September of the same year. Later it became known that for the construction of the icebreaker it is planned to use the German shipyard "Pella" - Pella Sietas.

    Totally correct decision.

    I thought it was absolutely stupid for Pella to build those icebreakers abroad. Possibly somebody in the government felt played by Pella management. Maybe even the fees for late delivery of 22800 small missile ships are just a way to "punish" Pella for tricking the government and building the icebreakers in Germany..
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    Post  PapaDragon Thu Apr 23, 2020 5:49 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:...Possibly somebody in the government felt played by Pella management. Maybe even the fees for late delivery of 22800 small missile ships are just a way to "punish" Pella for tricking the government and building the icebreakers in Germany..

    You think it would make sense to punish the only Russian shipyard that gets anything done properly in surface vessel sector?

    How about they punish those morons in Yantar first, they never delivered a single ship on time and on budget in their entire post Soviet history?

    Two river icebreakers don't mean shit and Pella's shipyard in Petersburg is already full

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    Post  GarryB Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:09 am

    They should have outsourced jobs to Russian shipyards instead of German ones that could potentially have been used to punish Russia the way the French did with the Mistral ships...
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    Post  kvs Fri Apr 24, 2020 4:19 am

    GarryB wrote:They should have outsourced jobs to Russian shipyards instead of German ones that could potentially have been used to punish Russia the way the French did with the Mistral ships...

    Pella did indeed play games with Russian state money and exposed Russia to extreme risk of NATzO coercion.   We see how private
    entities always drift to their own agenda.   Pella could care less about Russia's security.   It cares about the money.   Thus it is
    also prone to being compromised by NATzO intelligence services that can buy its executives.  

    Russia cannot afford to give freedom to corporate oligarch-wannabes.   They all need to be on a tight leash.   If they want
    Russian taxpayer money, then conform to Russian interests.  If your faith in Mammon is so great, then GTFO and move to
    the west and do your profiteering there.  And good luck.
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    Post  Rodion_Romanovic Fri Apr 24, 2020 10:35 am

    kvs wrote:
    GarryB wrote:They should have outsourced jobs to Russian shipyards instead of German ones that could potentially have been used to punish Russia the way the French did with the Mistral ships...

    Pella did indeed play games with Russian state money and exposed Russia to extreme risk of NATzO coercion.   We see how private
    entities always drift to their own agenda.   Pella could care less about Russia's security.   It cares about the money.   Thus it is
    also prone to being compromised by NATzO intelligence services that can buy its executives.  

    Russia cannot afford to give freedom to corporate oligarch-wannabes.   They all need to be on a tight leash.   If they want
    Russian taxpayer money, then conform to Russian interests.  If your faith in Mammon is so great, then GTFO and move to
    the west and do your profiteering there.  And good luck.


    Probably it was clear that Pella could not build them in their existing facilities in Russia since the original 21900 are ships with a displacement around 15000 tons and the latest mod should be even bigger. Possibly among Russian shipyards the only with capabilities and experience were only vyborg, baltic and admiralty shipyard (all in or near saint Petersburg), and all of them full of orders, so unable to build it for the desired deadline. Maybe that was the reason for them not participating to the tender.

    Still if nobody had participated to the tender the goverment would have at least understood and would have had the possibility to move the deadlines or changing the priorities for other previous orders.

    By the way, is Pella still controlling the More shipyard in Feodosia (Crimea) or has the rent expired? I never understood why did they move the partially built ships (22800 missile ships) being built in Feodosia to the main Pella site near saint Petersburg to be completed...
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    Post  PapaDragon Fri Apr 24, 2020 8:53 pm

    Rodion_Romanovic wrote:...By the way, is Pella still controlling the More shipyard in Feodosia (Crimea) or has the rent expired? I never understood why did they move the partially built ships (22800 missile ships) being built in Feodosia to the main Pella site near saint Petersburg to be completed...

    Because Feodosia doesn't have the competence to complete those ships that's why they were placed under management of Pella which is by far the most competent and efficient shipyard in Russia

    Pella was tasked with teaching them how to build ships again

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    Post  Tingsay Wed Apr 29, 2020 5:18 am

    Batoport for the largest dry dock in Russia delivered to the ZVEZDA shipyard

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    In the city of Bolshoi Kamen, a transport operation was successfully completed to deliver unique equipment to the Zvezda shipyard for the largest dry dock in Russia being built at the shipbuilding complex.

    Bathoport (waterproof shutter) - a floating structure 114 meters long and 12 meters high - was delivered by sea on the deck of a 180-meter semi-submersible transport vessel. The operation of launching and mooring the boat port to the outfitting embankment of SSK Zvezda took 12 hours.

    The installation of the batoport is scheduled for July 2020. The object will separate the dock chamber, the bottom of which is located below the water level, from the water area. The principle of operation of the cargo port is as follows: after completion of the assembly of the vessel, the dry dock is filled with sea water - when the water level in the dock is equal to the level of the water area, the cargo port is diverted, opening the entrance. After that, the vessel is withdrawn from the dock.

    During operation, the batoport will stand on the threshold of the dock on either side. This shape reduces the weight of the steel structures of the hull and allows the batoport to be on the threshold in a drained dock with empty ballast tanks. This makes it possible not to heat the tanks in the winter and to repair the batoport without putting it out of operation. In addition, the bath port has increased unsinkability.

    Another feature is the upper deck of the butt port. It is equipped with a roadway.

    The body of the butt port, made of shipbuilding high-strength steel, has a continuous waterproof lining and is divided by decks and bulkheads into air, ballast and open compartments. The bath port includes a diesel generator, drainage systems, ballast systems, ventilation, dry dock filling valves, local fire extinguishing system and fire alarm. Ballast tanks and bathhouse facilities are equipped with a heating system filled with non-freezing coolant. The batoport is controlled from the central console and local posts.

    Dry dock is a key element of the second stage of the Zvezda shipbuilding complex, the country's largest hydraulic structure with dimensions of 485 × 114 × 14 meters. A dry dock will allow the shipyard to build most types of existing and prospective vessels with virtually no limit to the tonnage and launch weight of the hulls.

    At the moment, work on the construction of a dry-foundation pit has been fully completed; concreting of the main structures — walls, bottom, main pumping station — is nearing completion. Pumping and lifting equipment was delivered, including a Goliath gantry crane with a lifting capacity of 1,200 tons.

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