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    Russian MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch, Tornado-G/S

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    Post  George1 on Sun Jun 14, 2020 7:18 pm

    Smerch

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    Post  GarryB on Mon Jun 15, 2020 1:56 am

    magnumcromagnon wrote:
    JohninMK wrote:What is this one?

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    The launcher portion looks photoshopped.

    The launcher portion looks like TOS...

    That new mine layer looks interesting... such a vehicle would be very useful to rapidly block certain directions an enemy could move rapidly through.... AFAIK anti personel mines are banned by agreement with the US being outside that agreement, but Russia is abiding by it so this must be an anti vehicle type mine layer...
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    Post  Hole on Thu Jun 18, 2020 3:05 pm

    Not real MLRS, but... Wink

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    Post  Hole on Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:04 am

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    Post  Isos on Fri Jun 19, 2020 11:57 am

    Not real MLRS, but... Wink

    Reload vehicle for tornado, no ?

    Interesting it has smock grenades...
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    Post  Hole on Fri Jun 19, 2020 1:58 pm

    First pic is the ISDM mine-laying system.
    Second pic is the transloader for the ISDM.
    Third pic is the TOS-2.
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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jun 24, 2020 2:21 pm

    TOS-2 is at the stage of preliminary tests. According to their results, the letter “O” will be assigned, after which it will go to state tests, which will be completed next year. After that, a decision will be made on its adoption, ”said Kochkin.

    Here you can see what "letters" mean in this context
    https://philosoft-services.com/blog/wordpress/archives/236

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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Jun 26, 2020 8:10 pm

    magnumcromagnon wrote:Technically a mine layer, but it operates like MLRS, set to be debuted at the 2020 Victory Day parade. It looks like Grad/Tornado-G, but it's probably more offshoot of Tornado-G than Grad. Tornado-G is having 100km range rockets being introduced, but a dedicated mine laying vehicle being created suggested a much reduced range in favor of a much greater supply of submunitions, so instead of having 100km range, it could have 10km range but with double the supply of bomblets.

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    It's exactly like how I predicted.

    The system of remote installation of mines "Agriculture": creatively approached the name
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    In Russia, the final stage of testing the new multiple launch rocket system "Agriculture", designed for remote installation of mines. Remote Mining Engineering System (ISDM) includes combat and transport-loading vehicles, as well as transport and launch containers.

    Transport and launch containers contain engineering ammunition that meets the requirements of the Geneva Convention regarding their subsequent self-destruction.

    The combat vehicle is a volley fire system with fifty guides of 122 mm caliber. It is capable of using various types of mines: both anti-personnel and anti-tank. Before the salvo set flight mission and parameters for the self-destruction of ammunition.

    The range of "Agriculture" is 5-15 kilometers, which allows mining in the most safe and maneuverable way at a remote distance.

    The developer of the new technology is the NPO Splav.

    It is also known that a combat vehicle can install a new generation of mines. Perhaps we are talking about the "smart" mines POM-3, which were reported back in 2016. Thanks to a special electronic filling, such mines are able to recognize targets and work only when necessary. For example, they ignore animals and vehicles and respond only to humans.

    KamAZ vehicles with armored cabs equipped with air filtration and ventilation systems, as well as air conditioners, are used as a chassis for “Agriculture”.

    The system was officially introduced for the first time on June 24 at a parade in honor of the 75th anniversary of the Great Victory, which took place in Moscow on Red Square. Two combat and two transport-loading vehicles took part there. But even before that, “Agriculture” could be observed during rehearsals.

    Now the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation are armed with universal mine-clearances (UMZ) based on the chassis of ZIL-131 vehicles, the maximum radius of which is 100 meters. There is also a helicopter mining system VSM-1 based on Mi-8, which can be used from a height of not more than 150 meters.

    In the 70s, on the basis of MLRS Grad and Hurricane already tried to create a similar system with a range of up to 30 kilometers, but it was ineffective due to low accuracy and high cost of ammunition.

    The team of authors in terms of name approached the process creatively. According to some reports, the "agrarian" theme prevailed initially. For example, the Sower option was proposed. But in the end, the remote mining system became "Agriculture."

    https://topwar.ru/172529-armija-rf-poluchit-innovacionnuju-sistemu-distancionnoj-ustanovki-min-zemledelie.html

    The cutaway shows a large percentage of the internal space on 122mm rockets is dedicated for propellant. Limiting the range to 5-15km (approx. 1/10th the propellant) means that it can easily hold twice as many submunitions.

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    Post  AJ-47 on Sat Jul 11, 2020 4:06 pm

    Hole wrote:The MRLS on the pic is an Uragan-1M. The Tornado-S looks like the Smerch.
    you right but I think that this launcher can get pallets with 300mm rockets and the 220mm rockets.
    maybe they want to use a common launcher for both rockets which might is a good idea.

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    Post  dino00 on Wed Jul 15, 2020 6:19 am



    Tornado-S on Military Acceptance 19 July 09.55

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    Post  Viktor on Tue Jul 21, 2020 5:14 pm

    Capability to perform quasi ballistic flight trajectories added to its ammunition just made Tornado-S deadly guillotine for western AD systems.

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    The aforementioned tactical and technical advantages allow the advanced missiles of the 9M528 and 9M542 line not only to hit the command and staff infrastructure, as well as the enemy mechanized subunits advancing to the active sector of the theater of operations in an operational depth of about 150 km, but also to easily disable the radars of illumination and guidance AN / MPQ-53 long-range anti-aircraft missile systems "Patriot PAC-2 GEM-T" due to the use of ballistic or quasi-ballistic flight trajectories, the terminal section of which will be a dive from the upper stratosphere at angles of more than 75-83 ° (outside the elevation sector of the radar view illumination and guidance of the MPQ-53, ranging from 1 to 73 degrees). wrote:

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    Post  dino00 on Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:12 am

    For the first time, two guided missiles developed for Tornado-S - Chemezov

    "For the first time, two 300-mm guided missiles have been developed for Tornado-S. Each of the projectiles can be set with individual parameters not only in flight range, but also in trajectory for their deployment to various targets," Chemezov told reporters on Friday.

    According to him, the firing range of guided missiles is over 100 kilometers.

    "The firing accuracy of the Tornado-S shells is 15-20 times higher than that of the Smerch MLRS shells.

    He recalled that "Tornado-S" was put into service and is actively supplied to the troops. "I cannot voice the volume of supplies, this is classified information," Chemezov said.


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    Post  dino00 on Fri Jul 24, 2020 8:18 am

    Russia at final stage of testing latest heavy flamethrower

    As compared to the TOS-1 and TOS-1A heavy flame-throwing systems, the Tosochka is mounted on the wheeled chassis and needs no transporter-loader vehicle


    The Tosochka heavy flamethrower is also outfitted with electronic warfare systems against precision weapons, Chemezov said. Cool attack

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    Post  ult on Fri Jul 24, 2020 3:18 pm

    Looks like new guided munitions for Smerch.

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    Post  GarryB on Sat Jul 25, 2020 12:08 am

    Looks like new guided munitions for Smerch.

    Those look like nose sections of TOR missiles...
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    Post  Cyberspec on Sun Jul 26, 2020 12:25 am

    From VK...

    satellite guidance Units for unguided 300 mm rocket artillery shells MLRS "Tornado-S" (Smerch). It is a GLONASS satellite receiver(GPS) with controls. The unit is independent in flight, i.e. it does not rotate together with the entire projectile and is stable on a roll. According to the developer, it allows you to increase the accuracy by 15-20 times, i.e. the CEP is no more than 10-20 m at the maximum distance.

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    Post  GarryB on Sun Jul 26, 2020 7:15 am

    Well that is interesting....

    The nose mounted fuses and steering systems developed for artillery shells could work while spinning... wonder if they shared information with these guys it could be made simpler and cheaper...
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    Post  Isos on Fri Aug 28, 2020 2:50 pm

    They were late on this one. Serbia has the Sumadija and Belorussia has the Polonezh with greater ranges than this russian rocket.


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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Fri Aug 28, 2020 3:08 pm

    Isos wrote:They were late on this one. Serbia has the Sumadija and Belorussia has the Polonezh with greater ranges than this russian rocket.


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    Polonaise is derived from the Chinese MLRS ballistic rocket WS-2/3 which is more akin to short range ballistic missile with a singular 480kg warhead.......start comparing it with the 'main' SRBM in the Federation (Iskander-M) and Polonaise has less than half the range of Iskander-M (450-500km range).

    Polonaise even looks like a slender Iskander-M rocket.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door on Sat Aug 29, 2020 2:51 am

    The Smerch has a maximum range of 300km, so if theos rockets you talked about have half the range of the Iskander than they have less range than the Smerch.
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    Post  magnumcromagnon on Sat Aug 29, 2020 12:26 pm

    The-thing-next-door wrote:The Smerch has a maximum range of 300km, so if theos rockets you talked about have half the range of the Iskander than they have less range than the Smerch.

    The '200km' range Smerch rockets are in development. Make no mistake about it with the death of the INF Treaty they could easily develop 300mm cruise missiles (that could fire from Smerch tubes) that could get 1000km range with large 'conventional' warheads. Notice how I emphasized 'conventional' warheads? Tactical thermonuclear warheads could easily be 1/5th or even 1/10th the size of conventional warhead but carry 1000x times the explosive punch, leaving much more room for propellant. Smerch was designed to be used with thermonuclear warheads to be used against mass NATO armor spear-heads (if deemed necessary), with additional propellant it could fly +600km range.
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    Post  Isos on Sat Aug 29, 2020 1:48 pm

    They can also use the gliding bombs made for drone as a warhead on the rocket adding range.

    We will see but the 200km rockets seems to be a missile rather than a rocket.

    Ballistic missiles, older ones, were just big rockets. Polonezh comes with a MRLS launchers (8 tubes I think) and the guidance part doesn't allow to use it like a missile but just hit more precisely the target... Iskander and new BM are missiles because they can manoeuvre. They are not the same.

    Polonezh like systems are cheaper than real new BM and you can use more rockets overwhelming the enemy. The guided part allow to hit one target per rocket. So a group of 10 polonezh can launch 80 rockets at 80 targets precisely.

    The drawback is that they are easy target for ABM systems. But the use of more rocket than BM allow to overwhelm it, when iskander will manoeuvre to not get hit.

    MRLS like Smerch will blow up an area precisly but you can't use 1 rocket for 1 target. That's why they are developing this new guided rocket. Now they can use it against an airport and each rocket will touch a precise location/target like aircraft spotted by a drone.

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