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    Russian MRLS: Grad, Uragan, Smerch, Tornado-G/S

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    Post  GarryB Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:14 am

    Yes, it is very confusing... we have seen upgraded vehicles based on the old Smerch and the old Grad vehicles, but we have also seen new heavy vehicles able to carry two rocket pallets and a light vehicle to carry one rocket pallet.

    My expectation was that they would use the heavy new vehicle with two pallets for either Grad or Uragan or Smerch batteries, but in situations where mobility is difficult or high speed units (like VDV or Naval Infantry forces) the light vehicle with the single pallet would be used for its better mobility.

    But that does not seem to be the case as the new Grad looks like the old Grad and does not seem to use pallets at all.

    The new Smerch looks like the old Smerch and the new Uragan appears to be the old Uragan with new electronics and systems.

    The new TOS looks totally different and is truck based and various mine launching vehicles appear to use new pallets, but their rocket artillery seems to look the same.

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    This is the new two pallet carrying vehicle, in this case each pallet carries 15 rockets which I assume to be 122mm Grads... 2 pallets means 30 rockets which is only a 10 rocket decrease from the Grad.... perhaps why they are continuing to use Grad?

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    The same new truck with two pallets of 300mm Smerch which equals the normal vehicle capacity of 12 rockets.

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    This is an image from a 2022 calendar showing and ungraded Smerch on the left with 12 rockets (300mm) ready to launch and on the right the new light weight more mobile and cheaper single pallet vehicle with one pallet of 6 x 300mm Smerch rockets.

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    This is a DT based arctic two chassis tractor with 122mm rocket tubes in the rear chassis...

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    A model showing the new heavier two pallet vehicle with a 300mm and a 122mm pallet with 6 and 15 rockets each respectively.

    The situation appears rather complex and I am not sure they have made any final decisions yet.... suffice to say Grad and Uragan and Smerch are all being very very effective in the current conflict when good C4ISTAR is applied.

    Note, I was sure I had a photo of a third pallet type presumably with 220mm rockets that held 8 rockets per pallet, so the large new vehicle could match existing vehicles in terms of rocket numbers except with 122mm rockets, but with a more modern cheaper vehicle, while the light vehicle could carry half the rockets of previous vehicles but being much smaller and lighter would be cheaper and able to operate places older vehicles couldn't operate in.

    It is really not clear what they are doing... pallets are a good idea, but not the way most western "experts" describe it.

    Being able to reload in 5 minutes is not as valuable as it sounds because you need to move away from your firing position as soon as you fire... moving to a new location you can take all the time you need to reload there because the new position should not be obvious to the enemy till you fire again and you will be moving immediately afterwards anyway.

    Pallets might be a good way of rapidly changing ammo types or mixed rocket attacks... in this case with the larger vehicles with two pallets you could use 40km range extended 122mm rockets together with 300mm or 220mm rockets, where the 122mm rockets hit the troops, while the 6 or 8 tubes of larger calibre rockets could launch a UAV and if they try to run or retreat the remaining 5 or 7 rockets with cluster munitions or anti armour bomblets to harrass them as they retreat or mine the roads and exit routes.

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    Post  The-thing-next-door Sun Sep 04, 2022 12:58 pm

    GarryB wrote:

    This is the new two pallet carrying vehicle, in this case each pallet carries 15 rockets which I assume to be 122mm Grads... 2 pallets means 30 rockets which is only a 10 rocket decrease from the Grad.... perhaps why they are continuing to use Grad?

    Judging by the length I would assume them to be Uragan rockets or a new type of 220mm rocket.

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    Post  franco Sun Sep 04, 2022 4:04 pm

    I too thought the 15 rocket pod was 220mm.

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    Post  ALAMO Sun Sep 04, 2022 5:40 pm

    It is.
    2x 15 missiles block.
    30 ready to fire Uragan system rockets.

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    Post  franco Sun Sep 04, 2022 6:05 pm

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    This is an image from a 2022 calendar showing and ungraded Smerch on the left with 12 rockets (300mm) ready to launch and on the right the new light weight more mobile and cheaper single pallet vehicle with one pallet of 6 x 300mm Smerch rockets.


    Perhaps the experience of this conflict with the HIMARS, will confirm the need for the lighter vehicle also with it's mobility and easier to conceal ability.
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    Post  GarryB Mon Sep 05, 2022 7:19 am

    Judging by the length I would assume them to be Uragan rockets or a new type of 220mm rocket

    Actually looking at the tube diameter on that model I would say you are probably right and that the 15 shot pallet probably is a 220mm rocket pod.

    That means fitting that to the light truck model makes the light truck the almost equivalent of a Uragan vehicle which had 16 rockets ready to fire... the much smaller lighter vehicle would have 15 rockets ready to fire.

    The full sized vehicle with 30 x 220mm rockets actually matches TOS-1... it has 30 rockets doesn't it? {nope... 24}

    But of course TOS rockets are all bomb and less rocket, while these pallets carry smaller bombs to much greater distances.

    The new bigger vehicle can therefore carry 220mm and 300mm rockets... I wonder if there is a 122mm rocket pallet or if they will just continue to use Grad.

    That would mean at present they have the three old vehicles of Grad and Uragan and Smerch, and three new vehicles seem to be a new two pallet vehicle able to have the same payload as the current Smerch vehicle or almost double the payload of the old Uragan, and a smaller lighter vehicle with one pallet that could be used as half a Smerch or a Uragan substitute, and the third vehicle would be a Grad vehicle with electronics and systems upgraded but not using a pallet system.

    You could make the bigger two pallet vehicle more mobile by not loading any pallets till it reaches the launch position and then drive away with the empty pallet in place to be removed and replaced when it arrives at the next launch position.

    I wonder if the smaller lighter vehicle will be produced in numbers or if it might be reserved for lighter wheeled forces like Typhoon and Boomerang units...

    This current conflict shows how potent even single artillery vehicles can be... as long as you can send target coordinates to them they can fire from anywhere at potential targets with a decent modern C4IRSTAR allowing coordination so the rounds from different vehicles hit at the same time rather than one after the other.

    All at once is most effective because it leaves no time to take cover... once the target is alerted and under cover you would need 10 times more ammo expenditure to get good kills.

    All at once is also more shocking... and more difficult to stop from different directions at once.

    Perhaps the experience of this conflict with the HIMARS, will confirm the need for the lighter vehicle also with it's mobility and easier to conceal ability.

    It is very possible but the core reason for HIMARS to exist is that traditionally rocket artillery was cheap and simple and highly mobile and Grad and Uragan and Smerch are already that.

    M270, which is the US equivalent of Uragan is expensive and based on a tracked vehicle, and because the rest of HATO has to buy it that becomes a problem because the M270 is based on the Bradley IFV which few HATO allies actually operate and it is not a cheap or simple vehicle.

    The result is that HATO members had to introduce a new vehicle with a new engine and new transmission and wheels and tracks that has nothing in common with the vehicles they already operate. In terms of cross country performance it is quite good being tracked it can operate on rough terrain, but rocket launcher vehicles don't usually travel on the front line through the mud... their rockets having a flight range of 40km plus means they are normally kept back in rear areas and generally traverse on roads where tracks are a disadvantage... much higher maintenance and fuel consumption and their extra mobility means nothing at all.

    The small light single pallet vehicle looks good, but Russias need for such a vehicle in normal operations is not as great as the wests need for HIMARS because Grad and Uragan and Smerch are already affordable and mobile.

    As I said the small single pallet vehicle will be more mobile and likely cheaper and fit better into aircraft and landing boats and with a 15 tube launcher for 220mm rockets it is basically an Uragan vehicle.... which is rather good compared with 6 x 227mm rockets for HIMARS, but it could equally carry a 6 tube pallet for 300mm rockets too if that is what you wanted so it is flexible.

    A 45 tube pallet for 122mm rockets would be interesting... especially with two on the larger vehicle...  Twisted Evil


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    Post  BliTTzZ Tue Sep 06, 2022 9:57 pm

    ALAMO wrote:You have missed the point.
    220 mm Uragan has been upgraded, and accepted for duty -  modernization is progressing. Uragan-1M.
    Tornado-S has been redesigned to carry both calibers, so there is no need to implement a dedicated platform for a middle layer of tube artillery. The Big Guy S can take care of it, up to 200 km.
    Russkie still has a 3 layers of tube artillery, assisted by the 3 layers of a classic one.
    Just chassis has been combined, for a part of them.
    If we call Uragan-1M as a modernization of BM-27 Uragan, then it's more like a complete overhaul I'd say. Because of the completely different chassie, bicaliber weapons system and pallets for reloading.
    From what I've seen and read it uses 2 containers with six 300mm or fithteen 220mm rockets each.

    Tornado-S is a deep modernization of Smerch. It improves electronics (satellite commlinks, new FCS) and includes new rockets (with improved range and guidance). But it still only uses 300mm rockets.
    The same can be said about Tornado-G, which is deeply modernizned Grad. But it still uses only 122mm rockets.

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    Post  thegopnik Wed Sep 07, 2022 2:33 am

    I guess its going take awhile until drones are launched from MRLS because a drone production plant is needed and that production plant needs a good electronics production industry to start. I think the war will be over before MRLS is launching drones.
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    Post  GarryB Wed Sep 07, 2022 11:54 am

    If we call Uragan-1M as a modernization of BM-27 Uragan, then it's more like a complete overhaul I'd say. Because of the completely different chassie, bicaliber weapons system and pallets for reloading.
    From what I've seen and read it uses 2 containers with six 300mm or fithteen 220mm rockets each.

    Tornado-S is a deep modernization of Smerch. It improves electronics (satellite commlinks, new FCS) and includes new rockets (with improved range and guidance). But it still only uses 300mm rockets.
    The same can be said about Tornado-G, which is deeply modernizned Grad. But it still uses only 122mm rockets.

    Which suggests Tornado-S and Tornado-G are actually just upgrades, while the Uragan-1M is a new vehicle, as is the small single pallet vehicle.

    The question then becomes moving forward are they making all four, or are the upgrades just to existing models and the only new models will presumably be Grad and Uragan-1M because between the two of them they cover all the options and then the small vehicle will be built on an as wanted basis.

    My logic there being that essentially the Uragan-1M can replace essentially Smerch and Uragan with one vehicle... it is equal to Smerch and or doubles Uragans rocket numbers or offers an almost full Uragan and a half Smerch at once... but no visible option for 122mm rockets, so Uragan-1M plus Tornado-G could cover all previous options... the Tornado-G having the added advantage of being light and cheap.

    The interesting thing is that while the Grad lacks range in terms of anti armour guided weapons it can actually have more top attack munitions per load than Smerch... but launches them over shorter ranges.

    The 122mm Grad rocket can carry 2 sensor fused top attack submunitions per rocket compared with the 5 in each Smerch 300mm rocket... the 9M217 can send two sensor fused anti tank top attack submunitions to 30km range, while the 9M152 300mm equivalent launches 5 munitions to 90km... but 40 x 2 = 80 submunitions per volley to 30km for the Grad vs 12 x 5 = 60 submunitions per volley for the Smerch to 90km.

    Regarding the light single pallet truck... I would think something based on a standard shipping container would make more sense in terms of concealment and hiding...

    And they have been showing unguided artillery rocket fired drones for years... if they haven't got one yet that is on them... but having said that I think a custom designed drone with more endurance and speed and better cameras etc is more useful than one you can launch via a launch tube.

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    Post  BliTTzZ Mon Sep 12, 2022 10:25 am

    GarryB wrote:Which suggests Tornado-S and Tornado-G are actually just upgrades, while the Uragan-1M is a new vehicle, as is the small single pallet vehicle.

    The question then becomes moving forward are they making all four, or are the upgrades just to existing models and the only new models will presumably be Grad and Uragan-1M because between the two of them they cover all the options and then the small vehicle will be built on an as wanted basis.

    My logic there being that essentially the Uragan-1M can replace essentially Smerch and Uragan with one vehicle... it is equal to Smerch and or doubles Uragans rocket numbers or offers an almost full Uragan and a half Smerch at once... but no visible option for 122mm rockets, so Uragan-1M plus Tornado-G could cover all previous options... the Tornado-G having the added advantage of being light and cheap.

    They will continue to upgrade existing Smerch and Grad vehicles to Tornado-S and Tornado-G level. Not sure why they haven't introduced any upgrade for existing fleet of BM-27 Uragan. There are still many vehicles in the Ground Forces.

    There is a light Smerch version on Kamaz chassie with 6 tubes. Looks like a HIMARS equivalent, but Russian Army has no interest in it.

    That's exactly what will happen in the near future, I think. In my opinion we do not hear much news about Uragan-1M is the fact that there are many Smerch and Grad vehicles that can be quite cheaply upgraded.
    So Uragan-1M will act as an addition to already big numbers of older MLRS systems. The same thing with Coalition.

    GarryB wrote:The interesting thing is that while the Grad lacks range in terms of anti armour guided weapons it can actually have more top attack munitions per load than Smerch... but launches them over shorter ranges.

    The 122mm Grad rocket can carry 2 sensor fused top attack submunitions per rocket compared with the 5 in each Smerch 300mm rocket... the 9M217 can send two sensor fused anti tank top attack submunitions to 30km range, while the 9M152 300mm equivalent launches 5 munitions to 90km... but 40 x 2 = 80 submunitions per volley to 30km for the Grad vs 12 x 5 = 60 submunitions per volley for the Smerch to 90km.

    Regarding the light single pallet truck... I would think something based on a standard shipping container would make more sense in terms of concealment and hiding...

    And they have been showing unguided artillery rocket fired drones for years... if they haven't got one yet that is on them... but having said that I think a custom designed drone with more endurance and speed and better cameras etc is more useful than one you can launch via a launch tube.
    Thanks for the info about top attack submunitions. I have never bothered to check these details. It will be an insteresting read.

    Perhaps they decided it will be too expensive if a disposable drone with good cameras and electronics launched from Smerch tubes.
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    Post  Podlodka77 Mon Oct 03, 2022 7:39 am

    TASS
    October 3, 06:15

    Rostec announced an increase in the production of MLRS "Tornado-G" and "Tornado-S"


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    They have reached indicators that have not been seen for the last 10 years, the department noted.

    MOSCOW, 3 October. /TASS/. The production of combat vehicles from the multiple launch rocket systems (MLRS) "Tornado-G" and "Tornado-S" at PJSC "Motovilikha Plants" has increased significantly compared to last year. This was reported to journalists on Monday in the press service of the state corporation "Rostec".

    "The military division of the Motovilikha Plants, due to the increased production volumes, switched to work in three shifts. The production of combat vehicles from the Tornado-G and Tornado-S multiple launch rocket systems increased several times compared to last year and reached volumes that have not been seen for the last 10 years," the state corporation said.

    https://tass.ru/armiya-i-opk/15936211

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    Post  Sujoy Mon Oct 03, 2022 9:09 pm

    GarryB wrote: And they have been showing unguided artillery rocket fired drones for years... if they haven't got one yet that is on them...
    What does artillery rocket fired drones bring to the table?

    Grad already has top attack sensor fused munition.

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    Post  ALAMO Mon Oct 03, 2022 10:04 pm

    An MLRS unit can provide its own battle damage control and make fire corrections.
    At an expense of one missile and a cheap single-use drone, that might have been possibly used as kamikaze in the end.

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    Post  GarryB Tue Oct 04, 2022 6:47 am

    What does artillery rocket fired drones bring to the table?

    Grad already has top attack sensor fused munition.

    Having a rocket tube launched drone means you don't have to rely on a separate recon unit to find your targets or support your operations.

    I would expect since the drone was first suggested technology for it has improved immensely and its performance would be rather better these days than before so you might have a 300mm calibre drone able to operate for hours and perhaps even return to be reused with fuel tanks refilled and a new solid rocket booster fitted to launch it...

    The vast majority of the time the artillery force will operate with recon and intel forces which likely will have their own drones who will search for and find suitable targets for the rocket artillery battery and then after perhaps a first rocket attack the drone can look at the results and assess if another attack is needed or not.

    Most drones are quite slow so a tube launched drone could be launched at the end of the first barrage to go and check out the results while the original drone moves on looking for more targets... the time the tube launched rocket takes to get there the rocket battery could have moved to a new location and be busy reloading.

    Actually the tube launched drone seems a bit redundant really unless it is with a small force like a Grad force that is interested in a much smaller volume of space... with 20-40km range rockets a Grad will benefit from its own drone when used in smaller numbers as a counter battery system... local radar could be scanning for incoming artillery rounds for which the Grad could launch drones to go and have a look for the enemy artillery which might be just one vehicle.

    The drone they launch should get to the target area relatively quickly because of the rocket propulsion getting there and being able to loiter for an hour or two would allow it to find a target and then perhaps laser mark it for follow up laser guided rockets to hit point targets like buildings or moving vehicles.

    The drone itself could simply have a 10kg shaped charge warhead and act as a suicide drone to send back video of the target area where multiple enemy might be spotted requiring follow up attacks while the most dangerous it can fly in to itself to destroy.

    A normal drone is valuable because of its persistence... it can loiter for long periods finding and perhaps laser marking lots of targets that can be hit with guided artillery with bigger payloads than any rockets or missiles most drones could possibly carry, and if you reuse it you can spend extra money giving it decent stabilised cameras and night vision equipment and good quality laser target markers.

    But for batteries operating with a mobile force having your own drone that might be a suicide drone used for counter battery fire can be useful for single enemy vehicles like 2S1 or 2S3 vehicles that are worth a little extra just to silence for good... top attack HEAT warheads don't need to be enormous to be effective.

    The fact that they have not rushed the Smerch drone into service suggests existing drone support with dedicated recon units is very good.

    There was a drone launched from a standard Pantsir SAM tube which presumably might be used to also find small drone targets but equally also represent a target they could themselves train against...
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    Post  flamming_python Tue Oct 04, 2022 10:13 am

    The thing about that tube fired drone is that it's billed as being able to be fired to assess damage on the enemy, enabling operators to judge whether another salvo is needed

    But in reality, how useful would that be? MLRS units likely won't stay in place for another salvo, but relocate. By that time, any data from the drone will no longer be current.

    It might be more useful for firing in advance, especially to judge times for when a salvo should be launched against say an advancing column.

    On the whole it couldnt hurt to introduce it, but I'm a little skeptical about such a long-range rocket artillery division doing its own recon and such.

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